If Harry Reid was hoping to get some help from the White House in getting his Senate colleagues to do the right thing on health reform, he must be disappointed. Reid and Sens. Durbin, Murray and Schumer met with Obama and his team last night to discuss where the Senate stands on merging the Senate’s two reform bills.
The Senators reportedly left the meeting without comment. And instead of an offer to help round up the votes, the White House [anonymous Democrats] reportedly leaked to reporters conflicting statements, one that Obama expressed no preference and another that Obama preferred Olympia Snowe’s trigger. [But see Valerie Jarrett's take from TPM.]
What did Harry think would happen?
All this week the momentum has been building in the Senate for some version of a public option, possibly with an opt-out for states under conditions yet to be determined. By Wednesday, unconfirmed reports had the Senate and even the White House leaning towards having Reid put a public option into the merged bill, which would force its opponents to find 60 votes to take it out. If Reid could pull that off, he’d be the hero, but he’d need help.
The news that Reid might actually do what a clear majority of his colleagues support and an overwhelming majority of Democrats nationally want drew predictable complaints and warnings from the handful of Senators most out of touch with the public interest. After Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu and Joe Lieberman expressed their expected annoyance, Olympia Snowe stepped on the plan by announcing she would likely vote against cloture to prevent the Senate to vote for a public option. As Maine goes, so leans the Senate’s worst.
Without clear White House help, Harry has a simple choice. He can do what he knows is right and insert a public option into the merged bill and do his best to get it passed. He may or may not win, but either way, he will earn the respect of his colleagues and Democrats everywhere.
He may have to do it without White House help, but it’s the right thing to do. The insurers have told us their incentives will drive them to cherry pick the exchanges; they’ve promised to raise premiums by 110 percent by 2019 and blame it on Snowe’s weakening the mandates. We know the industry is hopelessly concentrated, that effective competition is impossible, even if the Justice Department were finally allowed to begin decades of anti-trust enforcement. No one expects that to happen.
And yesterday, much to his credit, Ezra Klein showed the graph undermining expectations that exchanges alone will promote effective competition. Getting folks to realize that a competitive insurance market outcome was never likely may be Klein’s most important post all year, since most excuses for opposing the public option depended on that delusion.
Only the most obtuse Senators can now deny that consumers will need another choice, a different choice not tied to the same incentive structure that relentlessly drives private insurers to screw the public. We need a strong, viable, national public option, available nationally, from day one. If we’re smart, we’ll link it to Medicare (Medicare “E”?) and save additional tens of billions, not just on lower provider payments (which Pelosi’s House bill will wisely adjust to deal with current inequities) but in avoiding needless administrative duplication. And we’ll need a plan that can expand and provide guaranteed coverage for those the private insurers drive away, if/when they behave exactly as their incentives tell us they will.
Harry Reid can give them that safeguard.
Or he can give up and just give Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins whatever they want. Earlier this year, the Maine Senators demanded that the stimulus be stripped of money that would have allowed states to save tens of thousands of health care and teachers jobs. If that mindset controls health reform, millions of people who would otherwise get insurance won’t get it or won’t be able to afford it, and many of those people will suffer, go bankrupt or face death.
This is not rocket science. It’s a straight moral choice. We have a chance, a small chance, to begin a transformation in how we provide and pay for health care in America. But Harry Reid is being asked to blow that opportunity, to willingly do less than he can. That’s not what leaders do. Leaders don’t blow these opportunities.
The White House doesn’t seem willing or able to lead. It’s up to Harry and his colleagues. And they’d better not let us down.





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Meaning, to spell it out more precisely:
“Or Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid can give up on his oath to faithfully serve the public as part of our independent Legislative Branch of government, and just give the President and his Executive Branch of government whatever the President tells Reid (behind closed doors) he wants, while publicly using Snowe and Collins as the transparently-obvious cover for Reid’s slavish catering to presidential self-interest at the expense of the people’s best interests, and their (and his own Party platform’s) expressed preferences.”
And what did President Obama likewise hint or imply or express to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in their private luncheon earlier Thursday? Will Speaker Pelosi be asked about that by our national media? And, if asked, will Pelosi admit that she too is being given (and meekly taking) orders – or hints or veiled threats – from the President behind closed doors, which clash with the President’s own public statements?
My pragmatic self answers “No” to the question, but my hopeful self says “I don’t know”.
Harry Reid can give them that safeguard.
Or he can give up …
rut-roh.
I know where I’m putting my money, and I won’t even get decent odds.
Great post Scarecrow thanks. I fail to see how anyone can still think that Obama “wants” the public option. Maybe he did on the campaign trail, but there is zero evidence since the secret deal making went down that there has been any interest in the p.o. in the WH.
Congress keeps forgetting that it is a separate and co-equal branch of government. It may come as a shock to Rahm, but the Congress is under no obligation to uphold secret deals between the Executive branch and private industry.
Reid has a golden opportunity here to rebalance the power dynamic in Washington simply by following through on Democratic political rhetoric and putting a real p.o. in the Senate bill. He couldn’t have a better occasion to do so. Real healthcare reform is the morally correct thing to do. It is also the most fiscally responsible. And an independent Congress would be a real breath of fresh air in our democracy. This is a winning situation all the way around. Unfortunately, it is Reid and the Dems we are talking about and I have no doubt that they will once again find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
What, you’re asking the Sniveler to be like LBJ, the Master of the Senate? Never happen.
Exactly. Somewhere, Lyndon Baines Johnson’s ghost is shaking his head.
Typo Bro
The news that Reid might actual
The news that Reid might actually
And instead of an offer to help round up the votes
Well, it’s not like getting a supplemental for open-ended, pointless war…
It’s difficult, if not impossible, to stand upright without a spine.
This:
and this:
…constitute:
I don’t see it “senior Democratic aides” could be Congressional aides and not necessarily Reid’s, Durbin’s, Murray’s, or Schumer’s–depending on how widely they briefed their colleagues in the Senate.
And “many Democrats” includes Steve McMahon and other “consultants” — really just about anyone who can pretend to inside knowledge.
Where exactly do you see White House fingerprints on these leaks? And Politico reports don’t count.
If Obama doesn’t want a robust public option then someone within the party will rise up and challenge him in the primaries. An actual populist that people can really believe in, like Grayson.
Harry Reid has failed every moral test we’ve seen him face.
Expecting him to rise to this occasion is unrealistic. It’s simply not his nature to lead. Why else would he need Rahm, Orszag, and Sebelius to babysit his Merge Talks?
Harry will do what he’s told.
Politico is saying Pelosi doesn’t have votes for the most robust public options.LINK
Thank you Scarecrow. You’ve been all over this thing seemingly forever. I really appreciate your efforts. Almost makes it possible to understand the tortured trail of this health care stuff. Without the likes of you, Jane, and a few wonderful other folks, we’d have no chance at all.
There’s leadership potential in Congress. It’s just not risen high enough on the food chain yet. (I can dream, can’t I?!)
I trust Mount Olympia is enjoying her 5 minutes as much as liarman did his. Ugh and a crooked pointy finger of shame to the rest of them; they know who they are….
Indeed, PW. I’ve been thinking more and more about him these days.
pardon my “DAMMIT!” sigh
When looking through a glass, darkly, it is generally wise not to make definitive statements about what one sees.
Or, if Paul isn’t your thing, for what its worth, you might consider Buffalo Springfield, “There is something happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear.”
I took this video at the rally in front of the AHIP conference in Washington, DC, yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEyC5gcL62Y
Big turnout, loud, good signs, sometimes the chants were demanding the public option.
I honestly doubt any Dem with any stature will challenge Pres Obama in the primary. It would certainly thrill the GOP if it happened.
Yep. Even the AHIP now thinks a public option is likely, in some form. And STILL the WH sits on their hands. I do not get it.
Forgot to say–great piece here Scarecrow.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
Here is Bowers List for where they stand in the House on MediCare +5: “lean Yes”, “undecided” and “leans No”
Bowers is saying they are 12-15 votes shy on M+5 and if they didn’t get them by 9:30 this am, Pelosi will go with Neg. Rates
It is from Politico so take it with a grain of salt.
Talking Points Memo is saying that these leaked stories are intended to pressure Nancy Pelosi to drop the public option.
Now here is someone identified as “an administration source”:
Obama is not going to show his hand until everyone else folds. But when that happens, he doesn’t have to. It’s fairly clear to everyone except Baucus and friends that Olympia Snowe has folded and Baucus has failed his industry donors.
What is now likely is that Senate passes the Schumer “level playing field” public option with opt-out and the House passes the CPC public option. And then the House-Senate conference committee combines them. It is at this point that the White House begins to twist arms. Given public opinion, the arms likely to be twisted are Senate holdouts and they will be twisted to not block the bill procedurally by joining a Republican filibuster. And given public opinion, that up-or-down vote will be very interesting to watch.
I was thinking that Scarecrow could of titled this post simply – Will Harry Reid stand up?
Crumbs for the peasants. Billions to the insurance predators. Woo. hoo.
If Harry Reid fails in his mission to insert a public option, he will have become a spineless wonder. Leaders are made and recognized for achievements in the face of adversity; the spotlight will now be on him. If he fails, he deserves to lose next November in Nevada. If he defines himself with the insertion of a robust option, he deserves to remain Senate majority leader. it is all up to him.
The anger should be most properly directed at the popular President for not making the public option the only way he’ll sign a bill.
Harry Reid is old and tired. Obama is the king of the world.
Obama is enjoying betraying progressives, that is my read.
I’ve added the TPM link with Valerie Jarrett comments on Morning Joe.
More Kabuki. The White House wants Reid out in front on this one, while the aides work the refs behind the scene. The point at this stage in the game, as it has been since last spring, is to keep any plan from being labeled the Obama Plan. This makes it that much harder for the Thugs to rally their troops, some of whom may just abstain rather than vote against whatever comes down the pike, and more importantly, it defangs the MSM, which would like nothing more than create a narrative of Obama’s Waterloo. The trivial inside baseball stuff is all they know how to do, and Obama has consistently made it difficult for them to do it. Think of Gibb’s reaction to the questions on Cheney yesterday. It’s a classic case of breaking a narrative.
and allow me to take out this ol dead horse and beat on it a little more
L-A-B-O-R
he can not dismiss their stated desire for a robust PO, and No Taxes on benefits
they are key to his re election efforts.
simplistic ? sure, but I am convinced WH and Leadership miscalculated just how firm this major constituency was gonna be – believe they expected to placate them with the ol hey we passed something for ya ! this was supposed to be the usual dazzle ‘em with bullshit
now Reid finds himself caught between a Barack and a hard hat
p.s. I’m not saying Reid is gonna go in the direction of a robust PO, with no taxes on benefits, just reminding everyone that there is another major constituency in this battle and their role is heavily under reported almost everywhere but this site
I know that the current CW is that this is all Harry Reid’s responsibility. Everybody says that he’s the one to blame if this whole thing blows up. But Harry is not in this alone, and I think maybe it’s time to start bringing the fight to the one person even more responsible for all this churning and boiling and pressure pot tactics. Yes, the President of the United States is a moral coward unless he stands up and recognizes publicly what he has personally convinced a lot of others about. It’s time he quit hiding behind the excuse that he doesn’t want the perfect to be the enemy of the good, and strive for perfection! It’s time it was brought to him that nearly 2 out of three people want a robust public option, not a mealy mouthed one. All he has to do is state that he will accept nothing less, and this deal is done. Maybe we should be concentrating our efforts on the branch that will be responsible for executing the plan, the man elected by all the people to oversee the good of all. Hold the President’s feet to the fire.
What did Gibbs say? Thanks
Oh, Good Morning, cbl.
You are in your usual very fine form this morning.
Excellent point, and clever too.
Nicely put. Thank you.
caught between a Barack and a hard hat
Wow. Good morning CBL.
Good morning all and thanks for yet another brilliant post Scarecrow.
You’ve got that right.
as thomas paine said,
“These are the times that try men’s souls.” have come to the decision, after much disappointment in president obama and rahm emanuel’s uncourageous maneuverings on health care reform, to ask is what will eventually come out of congress as health care reform worth it?
the public option, which all along was the compromise for single payer, would only benefit a small portion of the american public. the problems with our health care – underfunded and understaffed hospitals, rationed care dictated by the health insurance monopolies to our primary care physicians, inflated pharmaceutical costs paid by the american taxpayer to the health insurance monopolies, the rising costs of medical care dictated by the health insurance monopolies which squeeze the care giver as well as the patient all in the name of higher and higher dividends to investors – none of these things are being addressed in the health insurance reform.
so the question before us today is, is a little better than none? have the insurance monopolies, like wall street and investment banking, become so powerful we the people can not do anything about it?
mornin’ hotness
David Dayem has a new cross-post up: “On Anonymous “X Said Y” Soccer-Ball Chasing”
Why doesn’t some ask him in a presser – do you favor a robust public option and what will you do to get it?
Yes. they have and unless and until they are busted up as the telcoms were they are too powerful to be ignored.
Democracy fails when too much power rests in the hands of too few, whether it is in finance or pharma.
We seemed to have fallen in love with the idea of wealth which is made through owning shares as opposed to wealth being tangible quality of life benefits to society. The wealth to shareholder model gives oodles of benefits to those who are wealthy enough to own shares.
Our country’s policies are now driven by shareholder interests – so called stake holders and never the interests of the people, the consumers, the workers. These are simple looked at as commodities or the place from which wealth is extracted. That’s how capitalism works and it’s working for capital – not for labor.
Neither Reid nor Pelosi has the votes and they know it. The Democrats would lose overwhelmingly when they see the price tag in their tax bill next April and the Blue Dogs know it. The taxes come first and then the benefits. That doesn’t help them. The Republicans will oppose and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins draw the line on public option. It has to come out. If it comes out the other problems of the bill come out which shows how much it costs. It’s just too expensive.
Reid can’t use Snowe as cover because Democrats and the American people could care less what Snowe says or wants. She is just another GOP naysayer. All this bi-partisan crap from the WH is just that-crap! We did not elect Snowe as some super Senator with extra powers. Good God, she is just another Republican obstructionist. Forget her! All this courting from Obama of Snowe makes him looks like an idiot with a crush. At this juncture, after months of haggling, we are sick of all the weaseling legislators that won’t talk to us straight. We want a Bill with the strongest PO framework, some form of medicare for all. Anything less is going to be the end of the Democratic majority in Congress and they will DESERVE to loose it. I wonder how Obama and Rahm will like dealing with a GOP Congress?
Maybe I’m the only one here, but I still think Sen. Reid will do the right thing and include some kind of public option. Leaks like the ones this morning are designed to take the wind out of our sails. It is not over yet.
“Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), …., told reporters Thursday that she would not vote to break a GOP filibuster if the bill put forth by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) contains a public option.”
So when “history calls” she’ll summon up enough public spirit to help a weak bill out of committee, but when a more robust bill could come before the Senate for a floor vote, history doesn’t call at all.
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Hi Scarecrow, Good analysis as always. I wrote one on this subject as well about a week ago. Some of you may be interested in looking at it since it makes additional points about legislative process and moral choices not covered here.
Also, I have some questions, Scarecrow. In this diary you ask Harry and his colleagues to lead and say that they better not let us down. You also say:
Questions: 1) When is Day 1? 2013? If so,
2) What will people driven away by the insurance companies do until then?
3)Are you asking Harry to accept the provisions of one of the bills now “on the table” in Congress such as HR 3200 or Senate HELP, or something else?
4) If something else, then what does it provide for?
My overall question really is, what are you asking Harry Reid to do exactly, that you intend to hold him accountable for if he does something else?
An alternative PO must be available on the same date that any mandate goes into effect. All the bills make that 2013. I’d prefer it a couple years sooner, and absent that, I’d want interim provisions for people who are left out now and those likely to be shoved out until then.
Dean has suggested an interim signup/access to Medicare or Medicaid; they’d need more money for that; there’s an interim catastrophic insurance provision in at least one of the bills (Baucus?) and perhaps others. I’ve also recommend strengthening Medicare (add dental?) to make the pitch to seniors next year that “reform” is not just coming from reductions in medicare payments but has something for them too.
Reid can do things of this nature and I’d assume he’s motivated by next year’s elections to do some of them, because he’s going to have to sell the bills next year, when the Republican are attacking them prior to the mid-term elections.
I share Dean’s concern (as confirmed by polls), that many people think the reforms kick in sooner than they do. I think that’s both a policy problem — because today’s problem are serious and getting worse — and a political mistake to create expectations you’re not going to meet. When the President says, “the day I sign this bill . . . it will be illegal to do X . . .” or something to that effect, he’s creating expectations the bills don’t meet — it’s wrong to say that, and wrong not to make it true.
This is bullshit. Where have you been? The CBO has scored the PO as a money SAVER and the stronger the PO the MORE money saved. What are we gonna do? Stick with this same extortionist situation that enriches MEGA insurance companies while people suffer and die?
that comparison is for fed budget.
we don’t know (or at least i don’t — maybe there is a report somewhere i don’t know about?) if premiums (and out of pocket expenses) will go up do to the reforms now being contemplated. i expect, but don’t know for sure, that they will because forcing insurance companies to issue policies to the seriously ill (and those with pre-existing conditions) and not charging them more than the rest of their customers (of the same age and home community) will have a cost. guaranteed issue and community rating are good things, but they can be expensive.
for the millionth time, i really really wish congressional leadership would ask the cbo to be doing a more thorough job of scoring the various bills so we could compare things like total national health expenditure, cost to households, employers, state and local gov, etc.
p.s. more here in a comment i made earlier today:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/which-democrats-want-to-steal-1400-from-you/comment-page-1/#comment-55654
Only if foghorn leghorn is there slapping Him, saying You can do it Boy.
Thanks Scarecrow. Why isn’t this in the main text of your blog and in the text of all the blogs hereabouts I’ve been seeing at FDL the past few days that calls for action pressuring Harry Reid to write the PO into the reform legislation?
Only if you can get him to make up his fuzzy little mind.
Right now he’s more like Mr Perkins (of Maine), trying to get a new privy built, and dithering about siting and design:
by the time Harry decides whether he wants public option or not, his term will be over.
Please feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong about the “Gold Standard” coverage of Members of Congress: Except that they need only serve two years as the junior congressman from North Lakota, for instance, to have a vested lifetime access, they get basically the same coverage as all federal government employees. Government employees get a nice bump from Uncle Sam to be sure, but they pay (though not thru the nose like some of the stories I’ve heard since this issue captured national coverage). What they get is the bargaining power of a pool of several million fellow employees, the help of some serious hard-nosed professional outside bargaining snakes (preexisting condition? Kiss my what? Dropped from coverage because you’re too expensive? Surely you jest!) And probably the most underappreciated (I’ve never heard it mentioned anywhere) is that you can, at last resort, choose to submit a dispute to the Office of Personnel Management. OPM apparently has bureaucrat buzzards and lawyer lizards just perched on branches hoping to spot a Blue Cross carcass to dismember. I have twice (in 40 years) become so frustrated with BX-BS foot dragging that I decided to just call OPM and let the chips fall where they may. In each instance, when I notified them that I was turning it over to OPM, they had a miraculous epiphany, and promptly notified me that my claim was valid after all! What does that say?
And that leads into my next point: Goverenment employee’s coverage is in no way Medicare/Medicaid. OPM negotiates these contracts with private insurance companies (BX, Aetna, Kaiser, etc.) and they all have advatages and disadvantages pricewise and otherwise. I couldn’t care less that BX-BS cost a little more than some others. I took my wife and family with me to some very peculiar places, and we were never turned away because the provider had never heard of our insurer. I could wax downright lyrical on this subject, but I think just now is not the time.
But look Scarecrow: I’m from Texas and maybe I am having an emotional meltdown when I say this, but who remembers Colonel Fannin and his 400 ferocious Texans who fought a superior, and very professional, force led by the best general in the army of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna to a draw on the first day in the brush near Goliad; which 400 were then surrendered by Fannin, because he couldn’t think what to do with his casualties. Kinda makes you wonder, don’t it, how could someone have become a Colonel in the Army of Texas without ever having fought the Comanche. They were promptly executed as rebels (including, of course, those casualties he was so concerned about.) Yeah and yet, who, who in the world, does not remember Colonel Travis, Jim Bowie, Davy Crockett
and about 180 Texicans who suicidally chose to defend the old mission of the Alamo, yet never once considered surrender. They were buried by Capitan Juan Seguin, after he and Sam Houston had handed General Santa Anna his ass at San Jacinto, and extracted from him liberty for Texas.
The moral of that story being, to my mind, that it is a sin to make wussy compromises. It may well play better in history to go down fighting in a hopeless, yet morally hopeful, engagement, than to run away, hoping to fight another day. That’s especially true when there are mysterious forces (like the Army of Texas) unseen yet aboil in the viscera that will surely retaliate: As, for instance, not with some namby-pamby public option, but with a real universal single payer system.