When Harry Reid announced today that his Senate health reform bill would include a national public option with a state opt out, the most puzzling reaction came from Maine’s Senator Olympia Snowe.
Yeah, puzzling. From the NYT coverage:
“I am deeply disappointed with the majority leader’s decision to include a public option as the focus of the legislation,” Ms. Snowe said. “I still believe that a fallback, safety-net plan, to be triggered and available immediately in states where insurance companies fail to offer plans that meet the standards of affordability, could have been the road toward achieving a broader bipartisan consensus in the Senate.”
Now, I personally think allowing those states that have a history of being a lot less generous on Medicaid and SCHIP to opt out on something this important to the public welfare may be politically clever, but it’s an appalling policy. If this is the best the Senate can do, it tells us a lot about how dysfunctional the Senate is.
But why on earth is the Senator from Maine “deeply disappointed?” She just got everything she requested, and Harry Reid even figured out how to answer the question her own proposal raised.
If Olympia Snowe doesn’t want the citizens of Maine to have the choice of a public option, then Harry Reid’s solution allows her the opportunity to convince the voters and officials of her state to opt out of the national public plan that will likely be an available choice to citizens in other New England states. And as far as we know, Maine could then set it’s own trigger, either for making that decision in the first instance, or presumably to unmake it should some circumstances occur that convinces Maine it made a mistake.
The lady wanted triggers and state control. She got them.
But she also wanted something else, though she never described how it would work. In the event the triggering conditions occurred, Ms. Snowe wanted “a fallback, safety-net plan, to be triggered and available immediately.” How was that supposed to work?
How could we both (1) not have an operable, ready-to-go public plan just sitting on the shelf, and then (2) suddenly have it “available immediately” as soon as Maine realized it had made a mistake and that it’s citizens were being gouged by the insurance industry? It could take a year or more to get a completely new system up and running, and without sufficient national leverage, it’s not clear it could even get started, since Maine is locked up, dominated by one or two insurers and their networks of providers. The very conditions that caused the trigger would be precisely the conditions that could delay or frustrate getting Snowe’s backup safety net up and running.
Olympia Snowe never solved that problem, but Harry Reid could, at least if he’s smart.
Harry’s solution is to have a national plan already up and running everywhere. It would be open for business, with providers and functioning billing/payment systems, so that as soon as people signed up, they could get immediate coverage. Ideally, if Harry and his colleagues thought this through, the plan would be closely tied to, based on, Medicare, so that the moment you started, most of the business arrangements would be familiar and ready to go. The basis for provider relationships would already be established.
Then if Maine (1) opted out, but later (2) realized it screwed up and (3) pleaded to be let back in because its citizens and small businesses were being gouged by private insurers . . . a fully operational backup plan would be there, ready to go — “available immediately.”
So why is Olympia Snowe “deeply disappointed?” Does her staff not understand what her own words mean? Is there no one in Rahm’s office the White House who can get her to say “yes” to what she requested?
Of course, it’s possible that Senator Snowe meant something else. For example, perhaps she meant not only that she didn’t want Mainers to have the choice of a public option, but she also wanted to deny that choice to the citizens in every other state, even though large majorities in most states (never mind Maine) want this choice. But if that’s what she meant, how should Senators from those other states respond?
Methinks the Lady doth protest too much.
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btw — Harry Reid’s proposal reportedly contains a version of the “free-rider” penalty in lieu of a more general business mandate. Most (all?) health reform wonks think that’s a terrible idea. It weakens the mandate that allows for broad risk pooling,, and it’s full of perverse incentives for employers to discriminate against low income workers. But wasn’t that another of Senator Snowe’s ideas? If she sponsors an amendment to fix that mess, I suggest all 60 members of the Democratic caucus join with her. Give the lady what she wants.





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In other words She’s pissed because they did’t do it Her way, and like a little kid won’t play anymore because She didn’t win.
These one Hundred people are so self infatuated, that they think everybody should do what they want. A hint why there is so little consensus. If You watch them on the talk shows all you will ever here is, “I THINK,” something they have a hard time doing. WE! Would be alot better off if they didn’t think so much, and tried asking us what we think, because that is what they are there for to represent us, not think for us.
Looks like Snowe is slithering back into that Party of No. When they all vote to keep abusing the public, it will be comfortable to the entire right that they did nothing to bring health care to the U.S., last among the nations of the world.
Perhaps Snowe isn’t looking forward to explaining to the folks at home how it’s in their best interests for Maine to opt out.
Someone should tell Snowe to go f herself.
Shoddy work in construction of U.S. embassy in Baghdad. Imagine that.
Aw, Olympia, here’s something just for you…
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Did she do it on her own, or was she taken to the woodshed?
from below, for cbl2; thanks (for the DKos diary on TX opt out), that is the ideal occurrence on those Unintended Consequences, dunno why it doesn’t work when the rest of the world is sailing along doing great with health care for all, and the right insists it just can’t happen.
now gotta go get cream on my coffee.
Is the woodshed attached to her political funds bank? yes.
OBL’s first wife & son Omar have done a tell-all. Author is now on WJ.
Is that Omar the Tent Maker?
Sorry, couldn’t resist. *g*
Does this mean that she is no longer going to have to sit in the corner facing the wall at the meetings of the rethug caucus?
Did she have a sybian in the corner with her?
Stop kissing this Hag’s ass. Dump her she has had her 15 minutes of fame
related fake news
SUB-ROSA NEWS
Some of the News
That may be True
OBAMA APPOINTS OLYMPIA SNOWE AS HEALTH CZAR
In recognition of Senator Snowe’s immense contribution to health care reform legislation,, President Obama has named her to the new office of National Health Care Director. In a written statement, the President noted the Senator’s long study and deep knowledge of health care issues facing the nation. In addition, her work in the Senate has made the reform bill truly bi-partisan.
White House press spokesman Robert Gibbs denied rumors that appointment to this office was the price demanded for her vote. He noted that it was clear that her strong efforts in support of real reform were made because history had called.
homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com
Last they saw him was 9/10/01. She left to deliver her 11th child in Syria, where she’s from. She was allowed to take her 4 oldest children with her.
I’m sure this has been brought up before, but it occurs to me that a public option scheme might be deemed acceptable to the insurance combines and their enablers in government and the 4th estate, if it meant that Medicare would be rendered superfluous. Come to think of it though, this runs up against the theory that Medicare was a way of keeping Old People out of the mainstream insurance pool and transferring “the burden” to the taxpayer, thus lowering risk. Never mind.
What is a sybian?
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
It’s time to wave at Senator Snowe on the way by…she’s been an irrelevant distraction for far too long. Nothing has been won here except a few feet of political ground in the battle for real healthcare reform and with it a transformed politics.
If we succeed in getting a real national option that works to get us to national single payer and it is immediate and not phased in through 2013, then we will be makin’ a large step toward economic recovery and the fascist party will be atomized and isolated to a few counties in the Old South. Olympia Snowe is just a Chiffon Elephant, a wax sculpture in a museum of 19th Century sociology…to paraphrase a buddy of mine from the “old days”: She’s inconsequential and she don’t mean nuthin’.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE TARGET!
Go to Wiki. I am not gonna link to it. *g*
No, the lady only said that she wanted triggers and state control. what she actually wanted, and why she is upset, is no healthcare reform at all and certainly no public option of any sort.
Oh! *g* It wasn’t in the dictionary.
Six sybaritic sybians from Assyria…
Spot on, scarecrow. This is absolutely the correct frame Democrats should adopt regarding Snowe and triggers. If she wants a trigger for the citizens of Maine, she now has the mechanism for creating it. If she wants to delay implementation of the PO (as weak and pathetic as it is) for the the rest of the nation, well she can just take that bar and shove it up her harbor.
Of course, from my perspective, the PO in even the best legislation under consideration comes pre-triggered by way of its delayed implementation and scope. Private insurers have until 2013 to demonstrate their “honesty” in the absence of an exchange or PO, and they will have until 2015 to demonstrate that no substantive expansion of the PO need be contemplated. By any fair assessment, that’s a trigger.
Why does she hate the people of Maine?
Citizen SouthernDragon:
“Sybian”? Oh Brother Dragonman, you can be so inscrutable sometimes.
What Olympia Snowe wanted is a trigger that didn’t trigger anything at all. Unless it triggered a mandatory safety-net plan. Which is highly unlikely for a Republican.
Without the Wyden ammendment the Reid bill is garbage.
Hey does that sybian have a trigger?
See my 20.
Now I’m really outta here afore I get stood up against the wall by the mods.
Now what they should do is go back through the bill and find everything that Snowe added and strip it out.
Of course they won’t do that. They never do.
It goes, “Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrahm.”
Citizen foothillsmike:
Unless I’ve missed sumpthin’ there isn’t a “Reid bill” yet…and there hasta be a lotta stuff in the bill that gets to Obama desk but most of it hasta come from the House of Representatives.
Yeah, I’ve argued before that the phase in stages are triggers, and we’ll have to fight a battle at each stage.
The Democrats and this White House have made a serious mistake by creating expectations for change/reform that only get phased in after several years, and as Jon Walker and David Dayan have written, that’s going to bite them starting next year, and perhaps more so in 2012. The election years are political triggers, and they’re going to be pulled. Efforts to front load the as many of the reforms as possible are critical.
Yes, it does. The truth is that the Senate has been dysfunctional for over 200 years. It was a mistake that has gotten worse over time.
was wondering how you were gonna answer that one… *g*
well, to be fair to Senator Quite-Contrary, it’s gotta be difficult to be the last sane (or at least non-insane) Republican in America ;-P
Snowe is just another self centered political opportunist and coward who uses her public service role to serve herself and her ambitions first. She is worthless to us as are all the professional roadblockers in the GOP. Obama should stop begging for her cooperation and shit can her and her ridiculous party. Let them fade to the wasteheap of political obscurity where they rightfully belong.
yea, a hair trigger
But don’t you see? Snowe lost all control now. She has only the shit sandwich in her hand to bargain with. She has to protect her insurance company bosses so she gets her 20 Million retirement package the pitiful government of this country can’t provide her for doing nothing. Now, she gets hosed out of the retirement package because she has to sell the sandwich to the people of Maine. Now you know the people of Maine, don’t you Mt. Olympus? They are going to look at health care, and your shit sandwich and guess which one you are going to be left holding? Do enjoy your tasty treat you inhuman bitch.
You know why She’s a woman and a republican. SOMEBODY STOLE HER SNOWBALLS
Maybe the people of Maine will stick her back under that bridge they found her under.
Thanks SD
You have helped further my quest for knowledge
I personally like the idea. For too many decades people have focused their bile on the Imperial Presidency or key members of Congress and ignored local issues. (I’m in CA, believe me, I know how that ends up. We are the most broke and dysfunctional of all.)
With Opt Out, states get to see the importance of the folks they decided should decide their lives. If red-staters see themselves sitting on the sidelines untreated, sick and medically bankrupt, while other states are faring better….they have a chance to fix it. Or die in Confederate pride.
There should be triggers on the opt-out provision: if after opting out, affordable doesn’t become available in a state it is automatically opted back in.
If we’ve got to have triggers let’s have them.
bad idea. trolls are most powerful under their bridges. ;-)
I will be looking forward to the day when my state can advertise tourism AND public option health care. I’ll just sit back and watch the population in conservative states drop like like a bucket full of quick sand. Ms Snow has how many states that touch her border that may attract her ahh constituents?
I agree. If there has to be triggers then the triggers should be set to automaticly turn on if/when the triggers don’t work. But I feel this will be a continueing battle between the parties for a decade or more.
Trigger isn’t that what Roy named his horse. Come to think of horses have you taken a close look at Snowe’s face???
She got conned by Reid and Obama, as I predicted a week ago. And yes, if and when a sensible health-care bill passes, she and the others like her will be history. The Republicans will be forced back to their redoubts in the Old South, plus Utah, Idaho and Wyoming. What is that? About 30 Senators?
It’s pretty amazing that enough people have been bought off to have that survive. Did Dodd not fight to get rid of it?
Or is Harry leaving it in as one of the things Nancy is going to need to get rid of, and inturn Harry can have Nancy pitch something *good* from the House Bill?
John
Maybe Senator Snowe would understand this analogy: There’s a huge pile of money sitting unguarded in a room. You tell a big crowd of people…oh, let’s say “insurance company executives”…that as long as no more than 50% of that money disappears, there will be no repercussions. More than 50%, and the police will be called and the door locked.
There will be a mad frenzy to go grab as much of that money as possible, some of which will then be used to lobby against the police coming.
It’s simple economics: People behave as rational actors only for themselves and perhaps for the organizations to which they belong. There is NO incentive to collectively stop stealing, to end the increasingly parasitic relationship.
As we’re now seeing with the credit card companies, putting limits on their behavior — but only down the road, after time has passed — just encourages them to go into a feeding frenzy right now, and to get worse and worse as the deadline approaches.
With respect to healthcare and health insurance, expect them to try for double and even triple digit premium increases before the reform measures kick in.
And this is why we don’t want triggers, and why we need reform right now — not in four years. Because during that unnecessary interval, things will only get far, far worse.