When a large corporation decides that an unsaleable subsidiary business’s operations are no longer serving its interests, it folds up shop. It cherry-picks the best people and redeploys them elsewhere, and then it cuts costs by eliminating all other now-unnecessary expenses, including departments and personnel. This is what we, the shareholders of the United States, have asked the management team installed as the Obama administration to do, with regard to the occupation of Iraq; we want them to close up shop and stop spending money related to the war’s operations.
And yet certain elements of the Department of Defense and the Department of State are doing everything they can to sustain or inflate costs through continued operations.
In short, these interests are so determined to save their own jobs they will ignore the will of the people. They will actually go so far as to ask for the creation of a mega-department at cabinet level to preserve their jobs, making a boondoggle so unwieldy it practically invites abuse.
It’s no surprise; this often happens within large corporations winding down a subsidiary operation. There will be considerable pressure within the targeted subsidiary to try and save jobs. Been there, done that, have seen this up close as a corporate drone caught up in a spin-off and as a project manager winding on other businesses’ spin-offs. One can empathize with the pain of losing their job and identity, but eventually reality sets in.
There’s no way to justify keeping the jobs for a business that no longer exists. There’s no sane rationale for inflating overhead costs to other operations for no real improvement in other operations, while increasing risk to the parent organization.
But this is exactly what the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, Scott Bowen is trying to do, now that operations in Iraq are winding down. Bowen submitted a proposal yesterday which recommends creation of
a single agency, which he analogizes to an “international FEMA,” ought to be the single civilian point-of-contact with the military if the United States is to avoid future wartime coordination fiascoes. He calls it, in typical Washington acronym-ese, USOCO –the U.S. Office for Contingency Operations.
Further, sources say that Bowen’s 27-page proposal advocates for a single point-of-contact which serves both Department of Defense and the Department of State, co-mingling the resources to carry out the separate and sometimes divergent missions of these two departments. The entity would suck up the roles of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, retain most if not all of the personnel from SIGIR, while spreading its tentacles into all contracts issued by DOD and DOS — perhaps even contracts issued by the Department of Interior.
Can you imagine what someone like a former Fourth-Branch vice president might do with an entity like this?
And don’t let the label, "international FEMA," make this all warm and fuzzy for you, conjuring up images of storm-tossed people being rescued. The proposal actually spells out the creation of something more like the Department of Homeland Security under which the actual FEMA operates; Bowen wants a new entity with reach as expansive as DHS.
And we all know what happened with DHS, from mucking up emergency response to inveigling itself into citizens’ privacy. Add a health splash of "economic hit men" and stir well…
Oh, but there’s no way that the Obama administration would ever sign on to a new, super-sized DHS-like entity, you may be saying to yourself.
Except that an entity like this would solve the conflict over additional troop deployments to Afghanistan, might it not? Instead of sending troops and pissing off the base, the Obama administration would simply announce it was ceasing all combat operations in Afghanistan except those necessary to protect the mission of a reconstruction effort operated out of this new office. All kinds of armed contractors (read: Xe, Halliburton, so on) could be deployed into the field instead of troops.
And with the DOS also jockeying for money, control and jobs during the Iraq downsizing process, DOS would likely sign on and support the creation of such an entity in order to assure their own slice of the pie. DOD, DOS and the Obama administration might well grasp at this as their "third way," a blessing which eliminates an escalation in name only while giving the right-wing hawks something to chew on as their military-industrial complex donors sigh with relief over new opportunities to contract with the U.S. government.
But how the hell does oversight work for an entity this size with a mission this fuzzy? Can you see how special operations programs of a covert or clandestine nature would be operated out of this entity, with oversight limited to overall budget like the DOD?
How does a new cabinet-level entity really solve the fundamental problems of the Afghanistan war and Pakistan’s risks? A new organizational structure merely shuffles the head count while offering administration officials an opportunity to pat each other on the back for avoiding an escalation with tens of thousands of troops deployed to the region. It does not solve the problems of a factionalized nation-state whose economy relies far too heavily on production and sales of illegal narcotics, nor the instability within a nuclear-weaponed neighbor.
Frankly, the U.S. has lost so much credibility that real solutions to the underlying problems may not be anything we can provide. They may need to come from our global partners, specifically moderate Islamic countries who are able to transcend the cultural divides.
Scott Bowen’s deputy, Ginger Cruz, said,
“It’s about economy, efficiency and effectiveness,” she said. “Every day we sit here, millions of dollars continue to go in these operations, and the outcomes become more critical. Are doing this most effectve way? The body of work SIGIR produced clearly says we’re not doing it in the best, most efficient way.”
Exactly, girlfriend. Which is why the folks at SIGIR need to start looking for other employment and not create a boondoggle. Surely some corporation out there could use your valuable insights on efficiency and effectiveness.





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Mainly our Military, but almost as bad The State Dept, have sqandered the wealth of this Nation by convincing us they were doing a great job for us.
Both need drastic changes, but that won’t happen until the people actually get fed up enough to take back our Government.
Not take it back like the teabaggers want, but to actually remove all the people in power that are the problems.
This won’t happen because we are still convinced that we are a great wonderful Country, and that we must love our Government in order to love our Country. We love our politics, our politicains, and our voting system. We love the very things that are ruining this Country.
I there an answer to this? Yes! But it is unlikely to happen until things get so bad there is no longer a choice.
It is a tradition more honored by time than the breach, and I remember it well.
In my working days, there was a problem of demographics at the Department of Veterans Affairs. Briefly, clients were dying off at an alarming rate. By no less an authority than some news anchor, 1,500 WWII vets a day were lost to the system, and that was the grandest reason for VA existence.
Now, the honorable choice would’ve been to scale back, but we’re talking federal bureacracy here. They created an industry and called it PTSD.
Post-Trauma Stress Disorder became the mechanism by which the VA would save its stature. There were store-front treatment centers, fee-basis private psychs, then clinics built in the community, and Veterans Service Division GS-42s to process claims. The vet would, as a reward for sitting in groups at a Vet Center over some months while his claim was in process, be paid over two thousand tax-free for every month since date of claim. These guys drew fifty to eighty thousand sometimes, and immediately of course dumped their clinics and lit out for LA or Vegas.
The regimented process of the news corporations was the usual. A reporter will interview a claimant. Oh, yes, it is quite horrible, this angst from floating offshore where fighting was. Then she will ask an agency set up to support the claim. Oh, surely, says VVA, it’s a great problem. Then she will write her article, after covering all the bases. Almost all.
Prosperity for everyone! Who could complain? I mean, besides taxpayers, who could always be shouted down by calls to patriotism and against spitting on our returning warriors etc etc etc…
It is a senseless tragedy, sending our citizens to a wasteful slaughter, and they are the last humans in America who should be subject to accounting strictures. There is plentiful waste everywhere. But my own estimate as to the validity of PTSD claims coming through my office was 20%, and none of my colleagues really challenged that score.
I hear you, Clovis, as one example was told yesterday about waste related to married troops’ benefits that I’ve never heard about before.
But having a member of the family with PTSD acquired in Iraq, I have a different perspective; these recent vets are doped up before they muster out, are kept on meds for weeks and months, and then taken off them. And that’s it. Meds are cheaper than actually finding a way to treat the PTSD; it’s the equivalent of sweeping it under the rug.
What bugs the crap about me is that they actually have the balls to ask for a cabinet-level department. A CABINET-LEVEL DEPARTMENT TO SAVE THEIR F*CKING JOBS.
But we’re all about effectiveness and efficiency, the chick who reads Ayn Rand says…
This idea is the logical, but absurd extension of Clinton’s triangulation survivalist theory of governance, and I’m willing to bet it was solicited from above as the perfect propaganda solution to “solve” the public relations problem presented by escalating the conflict in Afghanistan and also credit some otherwise invisible schlep for the idea to prove our government really is listening.
ObamaRama are a lot dumber than we thought.
Ah, I remember you! How’s it going? Is it the case that a Nam Vet gets an automatic profile if he had a CIB?
Rayne the Generals expect to get nice fat jobs after they resign on the companies board of Directors stop that and you stop the wasteful spending.
I want the GOP and Generals to argue in the Press that if we do this we can’t hold on to Generals!
Of course the GOP loves Government if its for more war spending/Corporate Welfare Contracts forget helping people with health care they love war! Now if we gave the Generals and their officers who make good money the choice to opt out of the Armies healthcare plan would they go Private?
Heck if Private Healthcare is so great lets insist the Generals and officers past and Present Opt Out!
I want the GOP to answer why Private Healthcare is so good for us but they won’t let the Generals and Officers have it:)
Private Health Care, front and center trooper!
The GOP wants States to OPT OUT fine lead by example every House and Senate member goes first!
No the Generals and Officers lead the way if they don’t all OPT Out its not good enough for the troops:)
Lets Split the GOP from the Army!
I hear Brownie is still available as long as he gets double Frequent Flyer miles.
So killing people leaves no scars you don’t see your own face in the people you kill? And yes going out to Vegas who cares having a good time is healing although not a Vet I think Strippers and Hookers would be a better spend of the cash than gamboling. That is my only objection to the program.
Good Question Seconded!
It’s a joke. . .you know “Private Health Care” like “Private Ryan”.
Holy Joe leads the way!
You know by now I’m to Serious:)
The man is not talking about genuine PTSD cases he’s talking about get-over mofo’s who game the system. They call it “gettin over.”
To do the job at how much more the cost of regular troops? Sheesh Mayor Daley never created a gravy train with that much pork built in!
Then how do you propose to limit this?
Clovis knows better than I do but I know one thing about the PTSD profile, there is zero incentive to get better. Once you are on it you are on it.
Then lets here his/her ideas.
This lady has a lot to say, her hubby is Bob Mason, author of Chickenhawk. The book had nothing to do with how the term is used now. Patience Mason
I think it was a drive by.
Still you defended him/her I think its a good point then that should be expanded upon. This is an FDL Vets thing I have no ideas on what to do.:(
No. It was NOT solicited from above, according to sources close to the situation.
It’s just plain Save-My-Ass behavior.
Oh, and by the way, it also involves some Save-My-Spouse’s-Gig, too.
If we are going to help Vets, well the Vets have to lead the way I don’t feel right trying to judge things that far out of my experience however I will listen to your ideas and probably help:)
What defended? I know from past conversations he’s had years of experience with the VA. I’m just a grumpy old vet who knows other dudes with PTSD diagnoses.
Alright, can we talk about the topic at hand, a freaking cabinet-level DHS-like office to do all the scut work of DOD and State with contractors?
What do you folks think should happen here?
Personally I’m contacting Sen. Levin and asking him WTF is up with this. What about you?
I repeat, I don’t think it helps people to have an open-ended source of income unless they are genuinely permanently disabled by their condition. I cannot give you specific diagnostic or treatment options because that requires a great deal of training.
excussseee me
Raven I thought you were backing him/her because of that I’m willing to reconsider what I said thats all.
I’ll catch ya later
Oh, and by the way, be sure to add your two cents here as to whether we should
– escalate, with more troops;
– escalate, but with non-troop personnel;
– remain in holding pattern;
– some other option, be specific.
Because I think we’re going to have “guests” reading the post and comments.
We agree its Corporate Welfare and its Obviously a bad idea your conclusion needed no debate as far as what to do keep writing about it the Lake needs to hammer stories for months before they get air time in the MSM you know that a one post story is forgotten.
I hammered on Pakistan getting aid but never going after Ossama for months before Newsweek covered it, was it me or the other Bloggers and Commentors covering the story who knows?
The story got covered and Late Late Nite early Morning FDL gave me at least a voice! We will never know if our good work or someone else’s accomplishes anything but thats how it should be, keep Hammering.
Bye
We should get the eff out of there… down to the last soldier, contractor, base, and dollar.
Well, your # 31 might not be very welcoming to other commenters. Might try a different approach. Just saying. Not going to spell it out.
Well, what I hope is that some of the folks with military background have other suggestions for going through the food chain and getting attention on this topic. It cannot be good for the military when there are more opportunities for contractors to do work under a fuzzy mission; there have been far too many situations where contractors have made military look bad or made them look unnecessary in others.
demi — I should not have let the topic drift off as much as I did. I’ll take the blame for that much.
Demi I can take it:) Rayne is a Friend thanks though:)
I think we need to meet people where they are. Raven and Things are beloveds here. If they had a conversation, that’s a good thing. Engage.
It’s got to be challenging to be the leader and I’m not one, but don’t kick yourself, just…asking questions in the context of what’s going on is a good way to get back on the track that you want. (hopefully, just trying to help.)
Goodie, good. :)
This is how the Army runs Eisenhower worried about future Presidents and the military industrial complex your concern is nothing new. To fix it requires ideas which ok the Vets here might have a better idea than me but it also requires more Will than any WH since Eisenhower has had.
I’m sorry I rant I get inspired and run off on my own tangents only marginally connected to the topic.
I do think somebody actually admitted to being grumpy, yes?
And it wasn’t you… ;-)
Its good to have friends who got your back:) Community is why I’m here at the Lake. I need to be somewhere where they make allowances for the off topic weird.
I’m to blame as much or more than Raven its your thread you got to call in the cows straying from the herd.
If you ask me, and you did, since you put up a post :) , an agency like this seems a way to institutionalize the Imperialization we have going on now.
I believe the opposite is required.
Just like we know from our elections, we should embrace progressive policies and dump Military Industrial Complex policies; that’s the path to a happier Americans, much less a happier, more healthy and most of all, SANE world.
Still the GOP hates Healthcare to much Government control but when it comes to keeping war profits going to war profiteers the GOP loves government control that was the connection I made reading your stuff the gall of the jerks got to me talking out one side of their ass when doing the very thing they say they hate.
They don’t care who suffers as long as they get theirs!
No one is to be blamed, sweet things. It’s all good. It’s a post full moon, day after an election and we’ve had some nasty encounters with some unwelcome new commenters. Just testy times. It’s going to be okay.
Get out now if Bush could not win in 8 years with the Democrats in Congress bending over to give him everything he wanted then just how can Obama win with the GOP fighting him on everything?
The GOP wants more of the same. But they want no tax increases to pay for Bush’s 8 years never mind what any Radical plan Obama might have to win might cost.
More of the Same in Iraq and Afghanistan is why McCain lost. The GOP has shown no sign of cooperating with Radical Plans or any Obama plans for that matter and Radical Out of the Box Thinking is what we need to win now.
If the GOP won’t go cooperate much less CHANGE the loosing shit they have been doing for 8 years that HAS NOT worked then we should give up…. and Blame the GOP for lacking the Will To Change their Minds.
You Smell Trolls. Media or just Righties desperate to change the subject now that Sarah and Glenn Beck’s anointed in New York lost?
Funny the GOP hates more Government but they love the Army but now the Army wants more Government and I’m sure the GOP will back them. Millions for guns not a Penny for Americans!
Thanks, Kelly.
Just saw this tweet:
Read the article. I mean, I knew it was bad, but as the details leak out, it gets so bad I can no longer comprehend this.
The kicker: the ambassador cited in the article believes that a pipeline through Afghanistan is the real reason we’re in Central Asia.
Why the hell aren’t we spending our money on research and development of technologies and businesses which create alternative, sustainable energy, instead of pissing away our money, lives, credibility on a pipeline from nowhere to nowhere, moving hydrocarbons which merely hasten our planet’s suffocation?
Having been involved in the development of a treatment regimen for PTSD at VA Denver in the early 80’s I say your assertion that it was basically a magic pill to save jobs and funding is hogwash. The VA had been swamped with Viet Nam vets suffering from PTSD for years and the VA bureaucracy fought tooth and nail to keep PTSD from being listed as a psychiatric diagnosis, much as they had fought any recognition of illnesses due to Agent Orange. A lot of those community clinics were established because vets could not receive treatment at a VA Medical Center. The outreach clinics were an offshoot of non-profit crisis centers, which in turn had developed from the free clinics of the 60s and 70s. I was a crisis counselor at one of those clinics in Corvallis, OR, Youth Outreach, Inc, better known as Sunflower House. We saw Nam vets who wouldn’t be treated by VA Portland. Were it not for a lot of dedicated mental health professionals PTSD might well be another neglected consequence of our imperial adventures.
On edit: I don’t recognize your screen name so I’ll add this, I’m a Viet Nam combat vet and I can assure you PTSD is a reality. A reality not only for combat vets but for rape victims, victims of domestic violence and more.
It would be salutary if instead of clicking around the faux premises and listed/stated reasons that WashingtonDC,the Pentagon,the NSA/CIA and Richard Holbrooke and his clan tell us are why we are in Afghanistan that a fresh screen was brought up.
Forget combining DoS and DoD tasks or missions or goals anywhere anymore.
Get WashingtonDC out of American Corporatism.
Lets take one of the GOPers favorite playbook topics and create a private corporation that is tasked to fulfil whatever the energy interests are after either in or through Afghanistan,Pakistan or anywhere in Central Asia,West Asia or South Asia.
This corporation would be responsible for selling its mission,selling stock in the corporation,recruitment of all manpower needed to do the mission and justify itself on the whims of the private capital markets.
All the mercenaries,private contractors,M-I-C players,services and logistics purveyors all get to pitch the gigs they offer to this Expedition Corporation tasked with doing whatever it is in Asia to do.
If the private capital markets want to fund it AOK.
If private capital does not and it tanks — too bad so sad.
Lets get WashingtonDC out of the corporatism game. No taxpayer money for making Asia safe for the big international energy corps.
While at it privatize the Pentagon then as well. The GOPers would be happy. Progressive and the American Left could support it. It is certain the current $$ trillion per year Pentagon budget would likely shrink by half if the money had to come from the big private money throwers and not American taxpayers.
Cut to the chase. The corps want war in Asia? Let them pay for it as well as profit from it.
The sounds of Xe and Halliburton contraction would be loud and unavoidable.
You know, I’m beginning to think we need a “FDL Vets” post with some regularity in The Seminal…
What say you?
Excellent, thanks for that.
Right now the corporatists of the military-industrial complex bypass direction action by purchasing government representation through lobbyists and PAC money. Ultimately they “outsource” the work they don’t want to do to the military and intel communities.
A cabinet level department which would undoubtedly have a classified budget. Gee, just like CIA and a large portion of DOD budgets. Combine the new department with DHS we’re looking at an “enforcement” apparatus par excellance.
Cannot help but ask myself — as I did in the article — what would Dick do?
Or, to be more forward-thinking, what would a crackpot conservative administration do if Liz Cheney was available to run this super-duper DOD-DOS morphed department?
* shudder *
Not to be cliche but the first thing that came to mind was a combination of the Gestapo and Waffen SS. An organization right out of 1984, where the similarities with the Dick/Shrub administration may be more than coincidence.
Actually, I think this idea dates back to the last years of the Clinton Administration, and the best discussion of what the agency would do is in Wes Clark’s book, “Winning Modern Wars” — he has a long discussion of the idea, and apparently wrote a fairly detailed plan for what would be involved.
For Clark it began with examining how the Post WWII loan programs, and ultimately the Marshall Plan was administered, and how well and poorly it all realized its goals, and then he transposes to a lengthy discussion of the Balkins, and why the US did not have at hand assets available in the 1990’s. His analysis of why State,… and Why DOD, are not structured to administer post conflict or phase 4 Programs. Clark examined from his Balkin experience the successes and failures of non-profit NGO’s, not only US based, but UN and other national programs.
The upshot of what Clark wrote was establishment during the Perry years in DOD one half of a planning group, Albright set up the other half in State, and as of 2000 they were well into finalizing a proposal. Al Gore was very much involved with this. But when Rumsfeld took over DOD in 2001, he sent his half of the DOD planning group which had a Pentagon Office, up to the Army War College in Penn, (exile actually), and while Powell kept his piece of it alive for a time, the Bush OMB eventually eliminated the line item for it in State’s budget. Effectively Killed.
I think the idea is well worth exploring — and I would suggest the first step is to become familiar with the planning and ideas generated in the late 90’s — perhaps using Wes Clark’s description as a point of departure, and leaving aside some of the easy ideology until the Idea is fully understood.
Alright. I see this “proposal” as an attempt to create a cabinet level directorate of colonial operations. It is a sinecure department, to be sure, but could easily morph into a major bureaucracy for the many occupations planned by a ruling elite who in fact has no intention of leaving Iraq, or AFghanistan, for that matter.
A withdrawal from Iraq? I don’t see it. They took the troops out of the cities and placed them in a ring around them. The Iraq government is as unstable as before, and the relative “peace” (a very relative peace, ahem) is only a breathing space before the next set of battles. The U.S. took awhile to settle into the “divide and conquer” stance typical of imperial powers – that’s because the hubris of the Bush/Cheney administration temporarily eclipsed reliance on professionals.
But those “professionals” are precisely the types who want this new hybrid military-cum-state department, as you ably point out.
Government out of control. Agencies duplicate agencies. Money presses running overtime, while the bankers in the homelands steal wildly and without restraint. No more newspapers. No more investigative reporters. No one who knows about anything that happened before 2001. It’s a goddamn field day.
The morality of the Obama years is shaping up to be more nakedly cynical than even that of the Bush years, because behind the pretty words about hope, caring, a new America, it’s the same old rush for the gold, the filibustering of U.S. power abroad by freebooters and gung-ho rugged individualists (armed with flame throwers and torture training). No wonder some wags have commented upon Obama’s resemblance to A. E. Newman: “What, me worry?”
SouthernDragon (63) — thanks for that, would not have occurred to me to make that comparison.
Sara (64) — appreciate the feedback greatly, will pass it on. What I read in your comment is something with greater focus on strategic planning versus tactical planning and implementation; the need for a strategic planning entity is clearly measured in the amount of time needed to formulate a policy and approach to Af-Pak.
However if I did not have sources which explained the shallowness of the impetus behind the initiative described in this post, I’d rethink this.
I’ll also point out that the brains behind the proposal are not persons with a depth of military background like Wesley Clark. If it had been up to me, I wouldn’t have hired them for their roles in IG capacity, for lack of adequate education and appropriate body of work, let alone for the roles being pitched.
Heck, why not ask Wesley Clark for his feedback instead?
Your estimate of 20% valid claims is no more valid than anyone else’s estimate, i.e., it’s not a scientific figure, and quoting it only adds fuel to an emotional fire, for what purpose.
In fact, PTSD is, if anything, a too limiting diagnosis for the large array of psychological, psychiatric, and neurological conditions secondary to exposure to serious trauma.
War creates such trauma, and in massive proportions. As a result, the military more than anyone else, including the VA whose diagnostic manual was the early templates for the DSM, sought to downplay the use of any trauma diagnoses. This was fine when they had a large supply of
cannon foddersoldiers from the draft to replace the damaged human beings they were chewing up. But when they went to an all-volunteer army, the human material became more precious, and attention to the care and feeding of such soldiers became a priority. So now, it’s forward stations for the care of the psychologically wounded near deployed areas, and a begrudging recognition of PTSD (still widely refused for many soldiers).I’ve been researching the many ways in which the military and its various agencies (DARPA) are seeking ways to make soldiers invulnerable to battlefield stress, or find ways to remove them from stressful conditions faster. The latter isn’t necessarily bad, but the science to achieve it may have taken the research agencies into a realm of experimentation that will shake this country to the core. I’ll leave you with this last hanging, tantalizing, and unproven assertion, as that will be meat for another day.
It’s amazing the people still support our military. WWI vets came home with problems from gas exposier. WWII vets came home with all kind of disease from the tropics. Veitnam vets had PTSD plus the problems from Agent Orange. The fist gulf war left vets with a host of problems some like the urainum munition problem not admitted.
They used our soldiers as guina pigs, sent them into the muzzles of machine guns at Normandy and many islands, put them to close to nuke tests, and yet the people love and support our military, while saying we support the troops. Yes they left them behind in China, Burma, and the Phillipenes and Korea.
Our Generals have always viewed our troops as expendable to achieve the mission. Yet people keep praising the Generals as if they are great among men.
Nice to see you, Jeff. And so sorry you had such a grim post to write in re: Arar. Wish he’d not ended up in the 2nd, would have been better off in the 9th — but perhaps there’s room for an appeal.
Yes, the “professionals” are definitely behind this proposal, supporting it; it’s been pointed out to me that the relationship between DOD/DOS/”professionals” has become so incestuous that such a department as proposed would only increase the churn rate through gov’t jobs to professionals and back, with no increase in performance and a likely decrease in value to the gov’t and taxpayers. Af-Pak without the restraints and standards of military would be pure insanity, cannot even begin to imagine it.
I suspect that propagandizing by the military-industrial machine through the media and through its adjuncts in politics have skewed Americans’ perception badly enough that they cannot but support the troops.
The warrior ethos, passed down through state armies since Rome. The glorification of the warrior, from the parades before the Emperor in Rome to the dusty interviews in Baghdad on CNN.
We don’t justify the warrior, only the Generals. Our Generals are not warriors they are directors sitting back at base directing things. They aren’t like Hannabal Who led His army accross the Alps. Cesar Who led His men in battle. They are basically arm chair Generals.
The saying we support the troops is talk, when they are there and come home people could hardly notice them, or care. Sending a care package to guy who is about to get blown to bits by an IED, is just a nice thought, but not much support.
Rayne, on Thursday, 10/29/09 I posted a Seminal diary with the video interview of Craig Murray, former Brit Ambassador to Uzbekistan. I believe this is the ambassador to whom you refer. Had the overwhelming response of one commenter, myself, and the troll.
As for another mega-agency: No, hell no! We had up to 15 intelligence agencies, Robert Gates was Dir of CIA then and nobody foresaw the collapse of the Soviet Union; solution? Create a mega intel unit to coordinate all the other tentacles of intel, yet they’re all surprised when Iran reveals their latest surprise in the nuclear field. Our gov is now too big to fail, well – we know how that works.
I’m afraid that if you can even begin to imagine something in this world we live in, then we should certainly be ready to see it become reality. Unrestrained war and corruption, fertilized by non-accountable torture, is the fate of this society, unless we stop it now.
Thanks for your timely post.
Not true..there were two commenters..’g’. Part two of the video is up now. The transcript, also. At the end Craig says…
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“There’s a sense in which Afghanistan is the greatest developmental success the West has ever seen, because the GDP of Afghanistan has increased by about 150 percent since we invaded it. The trouble is all of that increase is in heroin. In 2001, the Taliban had cut the heroin harvest down to virtually nil. Last year it increased by 40 percent on top of a 60 percent increase the year before. And nowadays they don’t even export opium anymore. As I say, it’s a big developmental success. They’ve got into value-added. It’s all made into heroin before it’s exported now. And we know where it is: Dostum’s heroin factories. It’s done on an industrial scale. Petrochemical tankers carrying the chemical precursors are sharing the same road as our troops. But it’s done by the government we are protecting. There are so many lies about Afghanistan. It’s about money, it’s about oil, it’s about drugs, it’s about the abuse of human rights, it’s about degradation, and it’s about all of us paying, through our taxes, for wars which benefit a tiny clique. Thank you very much. ”
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=74&jumival=466
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=4385
yeah, it’s about the pipeline, and the minerals, and the WTO, and the World Bank. Isn’t that what it’s always about?
Personally, I think it also has to do with the contracts to fill those pipelines, which we might be cut out of. Turkey is making deals with Iran and Azerbaijan, and Iran is making deals with Russia. India wants in on the game of pilfering Afghanistan too, but Pakistan and India are still fighting over Kashmir, and Kashmiris want their independence. Oh, and Americans want to get in on privatizing Pakistan’s public utilities. We’ve already bought their Rail Road, and are shopping around for more. The people aren’t too happy about it.
Tomgram: Pepe Escobar, Pipelineistan’s Ultimate Opera
China to mine copper in Afghanistan
Even page two in the link above in the post titled “Fourth-Branch” has a blaring clue:
Funny how this stuff is never in the main stream news. It’s all about Terrorists, and security and killing fundamental extremists.
This is disinformation. Remember Bill Clintons story of Yeltsin crawilng out of a window avoid security personell while he was drunk – to buy pizza.
The vampires were at work all along. Americans were working with the soon to be oligarchs.
acquarius74 — thanks for putting up the Murray video; Rawstory picked up more coverage. I think we’re going to see this snowball.
bluebutterfly (75) — as long as we fail to “win hearts and minds” while replacing poppies with other sustainable crops, Afghanistan is going to be a money pit (to put it nicely). Our conflicts of interest over poppies make winning hearts/minds and supplanting poppies nearly impossible.
shekissesfrogs (76) — yeah. See my link about “economic hit men” in the article. More of the same, piled higher and deeper. Keep in mind that Iran is sitting on the largest supply of natural gas in the world, and natural gas has been the root of major economic skirmishes between Russian and the rest of western Europe. It’s all one massive global energy war duking it out for hydrocarbons.
Thanks, shekissesfrogs. I cut out a few sentences. Gates made a statement to the effect that ‘yeah, we missed that’. Either he was super-dumb or was out of the loop or propagating a huge lie, because Goldman Sachs and a component of Harvard virtually robbed the Russian treasury with the help of Yeltsin and by giving him a lot of the loot. It’s been some time since I read about all that.
blue, I forgot which thread that I had brought John in on the conversation.
BTW, I just watched (twice)the 6 part video, Our Own Bin Ladin, which you gave the link to back there. I almost did violence to the computer screen at the Brzenski interview!
For a long view of how we started meddling in Afghanistan and Pakistan then all the way up to mid-2008 this film is the best I’ve ever seen. Rayne, I would really like to see you give us a diary on it. The subject is critically timely just now when Obama is about to make a decision that IMO would ensure us another VietNam.
Judge Berman continues to look after Aafia’s best interests.
http://despardes.com/?p=7748
“Sara (64) — appreciate the feedback greatly, will pass it on. What I read in your comment is something with greater focus on strategic planning versus tactical planning and implementation; the need for a strategic planning entity is clearly measured in the amount of time needed to formulate a policy and approach to Af-Pak.
However if I did not have sources which explained the shallowness of the impetus behind the initiative described in this post, I’d rethink this.
I’ll also point out that the brains behind the proposal are not persons with a depth of military background like Wesley Clark. If it had been up to me, I wouldn’t have hired them for their roles in IG capacity, for lack of adequate education and appropriate body of work, let alone for the roles being pitched.
Heck, why not ask Wesley Clark for his feedback instead?”
No, the proposal/project Clark wrote about was essentially tactical. But let’s back up on that. Clark is a serious Marshallite — deeply read in the political/military writings of George Marshall. The notion of four or five stages to any War or Military operation are Marshall, and before that his teacher’s, Fox Connor’s. Stage one is the failure of normal politics and diplomacy to resolve approaching and ripening conflict, Stage two is planning a purely military operation that will lead to success, Stage three is executing the strategy and tactics and achieving success goals (or Victory if one must use the term), and stage four is reconstruction of a political/and/or diplomatic relationship that satisfies because the relationships are structured to mitigate the potential of future conflict.
Much of what Marshall built for stage four before, during and after WWII was conditioned by his own analysis of the failure of Stage Four in the wake of World War One. Marshall strongly believed the lack of Stage Four plans and the assets to execute them was tantimont to turning your back on success that has been achieved.
In essence, stage four is about creating a secure environment on a former battlefield, and delivering to the civilian population the necessities for survival within a framework that focuses on the desired post-conflict political structure. To be successful you have to have at hand all of these elements — collaboration of Civilians in delivering necessities, and fairly distributing these — and a range of possibilities for an acceptable political structure that will take over what is built.
The Agency plan/project that Clark wrote about is both of these entities.
In the Balkins, Clark confronted excellent non-profit NGO’s that had narrowly focused skill sets, and were inadequately resourced. For instance you might have an NGO that had skills to distribute food fairly, but had no transport assets. To move refugees back to their homes, in the Balkins you needed specialists who cleaned wells, given the proclivity of opponents in the conflict to dump dead persons and animals in wells so as to poison them. He found only one NGO that “did water” that had equipment and engineers capable of cleaning wells. Slowed down returning refugees to their homes. Taken together, what it means is the need to put in the field a well oiled administrative framework that can match NGO specialities with needs, and schedule them or distribute them for economy of effort.
But before you ever get to putting NGO’s in the field, you need an inventory of assets, and what Clark observed was that we had hundreds and hundreds of NGO’s with appropriate specialities, but we didn’t know what we had or how to deploy them properly. The UN and many of its constituent groups will not deploy in less than fully secure areas. (it is also very slow). But Clark proposed to both improve the UN and the US prospects for serving its own interests by investing in planning, developing inventories of useful NGO’s, knowing where useful supplies and equipment might be, and how to get them into the field, and above all preparing NGO’s to collaborate in the field — both among National NGO’s and among and between international NGO’s. Thus the focus on something between State and DOD — DOD has the equipment for logistical requirements, state should have the AID types who can set up collaborative systems that can eventually plug into overall UN frameworks.
Clark invisioned an agency that invested in planning and training long before a crisis required a deployment…and an agency that could establish and maintain international relationships. He thought to rationalize NGO’s — retrain some with skills missing from the inventory, encourage some to add skills they lacked. He also looked to training for appropriate liason with military organizations, where resource sharing was necessary…things like transport.
George Marshall dealt with the need for overall co-ordination in the World War II period with a simple military order (Dec. 15, 1941) that made the American Red Cross the only NGO with access to a war theatre or any military base or facility. This remained in place till the late 1940’s. American Red Cross had the power to sub-contract special missions to other NGO’s, and it did, but it co-ordinated everything. Marshall hated both religious and political busy-bodies, and during WWI one of his jobs was to settle the shit between some groups that showed up in theatre, and as he put it, sometimes had greater wars with each other than the one the American Forces under Pershing were fighting with the Germans. So his solution was the secular and a-political American Red Cross is in charge of everything except fighting the war.
What Clark was describing about the planning that had been done in the late Clinton years seems to me to be a major modernization of what worked in the 1940’s for George Marshall.
Just imagine how different things might have been had such an agency been on a firm footing in 2001, and none of the Bush Team, — Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Powell, Condi, Cheney, Jerry Bremer, and all the other bad cooks in the phase four Afghani or Iraqi soup cookery had not been in the decision tree.
John popped in at the Craig Murray one. Brzezinski oozes slime and arrogance in that interview. But then, when doesn’t he? The interviewer refused to be intimidated by him. She did good. I believe in non violence..for him I’d make an exception..’g’. Those pictures of him with Osama tell the truth of who recruited and financed him.
The CIA won’t like this.
http://www.truthout.org/1021091
This is so wrong.
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“Obama does not write condolence letters to loved ones of those who commit suicide in the theater of combat. After making inquiries, the Keeslings discovered that this was not because of an oversight. Instead, it’s because of a longstanding U.S. policy to deny presidential condolence letters to the families of soldiers who take their own lives. ”
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20091027_the_war_condolences_obama_hasnt_sent/
Thanks for the detailed overview; I will have to hunt down a copy of Clark’s work on this.
I do wonder at whether Clark’s proposition is impacted by the nature of the conflict; some of what we are looking at in Afghanistan is more granular than that of the Balkan conflict, less clear cut in terms of national and cultural identity.
You asked,
I think they actively prevented such an effort by other countries; there had been rumors of a de facto occupation of Iraq by peace-keeping forces dispatched under the guise of hunting down WMDs but in fact severing Saddam’s control over the population while trying to insert new governance. It fell apart roughly the same time as Colin Powell’s Feb. 2003 presentation to the UN. (Occurs to me that we may have to look into this again to see if the torture timeline and black site locations may have been part of an effort to shut this down…)
Flattered, but you have far too much faith in my abilities. ;-)
While anything that happens in the way of increased activity in Afghanistan will surely be called another Vietnam, the situation is fundamentally different in part because of the use of such a label as a pejorative.
Obama has been put into a nasty squeeze play, some of which was his own making due to a lack of foresight and excessive trust. Elements of the right-wing, corporatists and the military have now pushed him against the wall to force him to make a decision on a timeline that isn’t his own, and any decision he makes will result in his being labeled a chickenshit liberal or a chickenhawk centrist. Worse, there is considerable tension inside the military at certain levels which undermines Obama’s authority simply because he is not white. Yeah, I didn’t think it was possible, but because he has no deep experience in the military (paid his dues like Colin Powell), he is discounted because of his race.
Quoth the Raven! Good to see ya!
I’m having trouble with terms. After all, I left Vets Service at the beginning of the millennium. From my Army days, “profile” was a condition, usually temporary, that meant light duty. A Purple Heart was any wound during combat. And nothing resulted from a Combat Infantry Badge except a dull medal you can find in any Army Surplus.
And I think the liberalizing doctrine at VA was cut back when they realized in 2003 after the troops began arriving back home they didn’t need to pump up the census anymore. So the first move was, a review of all those PTSD claims they had been defending as righteous all those years.
Right as the Rayne, but nobody reads Ayn Rand anymore. It used to be a chicklet lite set of training wheels for adolescent girls who knew nothing from politics, but since Allen Greenspan left the farm …
Precisely.
In every forum you have down in steerage the shoot-’em-up boys, like Dohbya himself, the Manichean Mules who sit on casters and list as the ship pitches or yaws, to the hull on either side, forevermore.
There was a psychologist out of VAH who was counseling in our local storefront, and the horror stories spread about her. “She’ll try and get you to go to work, man!” She didn’t last long. The ones who did were enablers of the claim only, thus building up their client load, thus insuring continuity, the mission of any day.
I had a gent who was very affable who had ground his teeth down in the night in the years since he spent over a hundred hours aboard a gunship. He said, `We didn’t do no scoutin’; when we were called, there was [stuff] happening.’ He’s one of my 20%. He spent more time aboard that Huey than the troops did in combat in Gulf War I.
At the other end of the hold we have the sorrowful gent who loaded cargo in Guam. He was all distressed, you see, because he couldn’t really sleep, you see, with all the C-52s or something taking off and landing, and, besides, `I knew they were flying off to violate the Geneva Convention.’ He was an 80%er.
Along with the Basic bolos who had flashbacks of that evil DI during their two weeks military service on seeing war movies. And the swabbies aboard carriers on the `water ajacent thereto.’ And the one who had spent his entire tour in Long Bihn jail. By far the greater part of the universe, sayeth the physicists, is nothing.
Can I play?
A withdrawal from Karzai like snow in springtime. Residual NATO forces throughout 2010, and not a day longer, in defensive positions from, I don’t know, Jalalabad to Asmar? A hidden protocol with Pakistan which allows a freer hand to battle the bad guys in Waziristan and environs.
Keynote: a breakthrough treaty between Pakistan and India which would allow NATO troops as peacekeepers in Kashmir. A guarantee to each against aggression from either. If Secretary Clinton is reading this, she should get crackin’.
This would allow Pakistan to withdraw its army to apply them where they are now threatened, up in that northern wild country.
I’m copyrighting this for my Nobel ap.
This is so I do not have to repeat, but on second thought, perhaps another thread might be kicked off, as we seem to be kicked off this one. I myself do not have the drawing power of Rayne or several others, so it will not be as effective were I to do it. But I will.
Not sure if I’ve given you this one before. Part two is how Brzezinski set up al Qaeda. Stay calm as you watch a clip of Obama praising him right at the beginning..’g’.
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“Al Qaeda Doesn’t Exist (Documentary) – 1″
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek7ZHenQnu4&annotation_id=annotation_444160&feature=iv
Makes a person wonder why al Qaeda is hyped as being the excuse for taking away American’s freedoms. A tiny little army and a big ugly ‘war’ in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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“”Al-Qaeda is no longer capable of carrying out a big attack. Its capability appear to have been degraded over the years,” said Brian Michael Jenkins, an advisor to the president of the US Rand Corporation think-tank.
“It’s a tiny little army determined to carry out its ‘God-mandated’ struggle,” he said.
“It is 100 little conflicts linked by a network of like-minded extremists across the globe, a cove of terrorists hiding out in Pakistan…an active communications system and a successful brand name picked up by local followers.”
The US has improved domestic security since the ‘9/11′ attacks and an American citizen’s chances of being killed in a terror attack there are one in a million – far lower than of dying in a car crash or being murdered – Jenkins claimed. ”
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3753557736
by Yvonne Ridley
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“But perhaps one of the most significant nuggets of information which came my way yesterday is that a key prosecution witness – one of the young US soldiers involved in the shooting of Aafia in the prison cell in Ghazni, Afghanistan last July – has himself been severely wounded in Afghanistan.
Friendly fire or Taliban attack? It’s really difficult to say how or why this star witness was put in the firing line in Afghanistan when he was supposed to give evidence in such an important trial this month.
The prosecution, who are trying desperately to fudge the whole issue, have asked for the trial to be delayed until January. Hmm. Does anyone smell fish? ”
http://freeaafia.org/updates/34-us-news/119-yvonne-ridleys-us-tour-journal-notes.html
Nobody ever really reads Ayn Rand. They lie about it after choking through the first miserable chapter of any Rand book and then scan the Cliff Notes. The pitiful thing about the people who claim to have read and adore her work is that they think they’ve read the best defense of free market capitalism. Hardly. Isabel Paterson, author of The God of the Machine, wrote a far better piece of non-fiction defending individualism against the threat of centralized economies. She was persuasive, concise, without having to resort to the trick of using fuzzy fiction to make a point. Paterson may have been flawed, but her flaws are right there, easily contested, not hidden behind characters and an excess of words.
The people who claim to read Rand use this claim as code; it’s a signal that the claimant is a true adherent of the Chicago School of Economics and its incumbent Shock Doctrine.
All the more reason to stay clear of any leach who claims they love to read Rand in their spare time. Proponents of so-called “creative destruction” are merely universal fascists intent on destruction as its own end.
Look who’s in charge of the Turkish Lobby now.
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http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/
“The worsening Afghan war has brought some good news for Uzbekistan. On Tuesday, the European Union announced it was lifting a four-year old arms embargo against Uzbekistan. The EU imposed wide-ranging sanctions in 2005 after Uzbek troops fired on civilians during an uprising in the city of Andizhan in Ferghana Valley, and Tashkent rejected calls by Western countries for an international inquiry into those killings. Tuesday’s decision completes an incremental process stretched over the past year or so on the EU’s part to kiss and make up with Tashkent.
Aside from the veracity of the EU claim, the reality is that Europe not only blinked first, it also bent its knees while doing so. Brussels kept a straight face, though, assuring the world audience that it would “closely and continuously observe the human-rights situation in Uzbekistan … [and] assess progress made by the Uzbek authorities.” ”
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/11/05/weekly-round-up-for-nov-6/