
What bitter irony. Studs Terkel, who gave voice to working people throughout his life, passed away yesterday, just days before a potentially historic presidential election. Should Sen. Barack Obama win on Tuesday, his victory would be a sweet vindication for Terkel, whose affinity for America’s workers would be reflected in the policies of an Obama administration.
Terkel, 96, has been renowned for his compilations of oral interviews with famous and mostly not-so-famous Americans. He has talked with thousands of people about their experiences on the job, serving their country in World War II, their perceptions of race and most recently, the challenges of growing old and facing death. One of his most famous books is Working, in which more than 100 Americans share their hopes, dreams and daily struggles on the job.
In April 2006, Terkel received the Lifetime Achievement award from the workers’ advocacy organization, American Rights at Work. After accepting the award, Terkel said:
What brings workers together can be a belief, a hope of improving the climate and community at work—the spaces where so many of us spend so much of our lives. Respect on the job and a voice at the workplace shouldn’t be something Americans have to work overtime to achieve.
Born Louis Terkel, he grew up in the 1920s and 1930s in an environment filled with workers, union organizers and other progressives who gathered in the lobby of his parents’ Chicago rooming house. Starting his career as an actor, disc jockey and radio and television personality, Terkel ultimately turned to documenting oral interviews in a series of books. In Working: People Talk About What They Do All Day and How They Feel About What They Do, Terkel elicited first-hand experiences of workers as varied as bus driver and strip miner, policeman and film critic. Blacklisted in the 1950s by the House Committee on Un-American Activities, Terkel went on to win a Pulitzer Prize in 1985 and a National Humanities Medal from President Bill Clinton in 1997.
Terkel, who has been called a “guerilla journalist” and a man “whose name is synonymous with Labor Day,” sprinkles his conversation with references to the ancient Greek mathematician Archimedes and American revolutionary Thomas Paine—yet has the unique ability to engage people in a way that draws forth the hopes, dreams and heartfelt experiences of everyday Americans.
In July 2005, I was honored to interview Terkel, and in his inimitable style, his conversation ranged from erudite quotes from the classics to conversations heard at his local bus stop. In remembering Terkel, there’s no better way than to hear him in his own words. Below is the excerpt from that July 2005 interview.
“The thing that’s so ironic, is we are stuck with what I call national Alzheimer’s disease. The general American public, through no fault of its own, but through the media—which is laughingly called, absurdly called, obscenely called—liberal media, which is a joke, of course. But the point is that because of that, day after day after day, putting down of labor organizations, or not mentioning them led to the children not knowing a thing about it.
How did the eight-hour day come into being? It began in Chicago and four guys got hanged for it—the Haymarket affair in 1886. What were they fighting for? The eight-hour day.
There’s no knowledge what the labor movement did for the lives of people. Social Security came out of the New Deal, and the minimum wage idea, and the idea of national health, these all came out of [labor]. And that’s all being dismantled by what we have now. And so part of it is not knowing the past. No past, therefore there is no present and no future.
What was the first thing Ronald Reagan did as president of the United States? In 1981, he broke the air controller’s strike. You know what they were striking about? It wasn’t about pay. It was about R and R, rest and recreation. So the issue was passenger safety, right? And Ronald Reagan said, ‘No,’ and four out of five Americans applauded.
You start wondering, ‘Wait a minute. Are we a necrophiliac people?’ And you start thinking some more. ‘We’re the only industrialized country that still has the death penalty, right? We’re the only industrialized country that does not have national health insurance.’ So one is death, and the other is life. And so you start thinking, ‘My God, have we become so perverse?
If so, then all my books are junk? Because my books depended on the sense of decency of ordinary Americans and their native intelligence and it’s under assault today as never before.
[Americans’ sense of decency and native intelligence are] there, but the information has been siphoned through—we know what it’s siphoned through: Fox News, Rupert Murdoch and Rush Limbaugh. And thus we have a certain kind of news filter to it. Right? It becomes entertainment, it becomes banality, it becomes nothing. And there’s no past. The big thing is to revivify in one way or another the past and to show how we came to be.
So that’s part of the problem facing labor, to reacquaint these people with what happened. The new members are fresh and they have grievances and we’ve got to hit that and reach as many as possible—caregivers and…maids and get all the people who never thought of organizing, organized. And that’s what the oral histories I write are all about, I hope—to recapture our history. And I think we can do it—provided we…stick together.
Whatever split there is has to be healed—immediately. Because we agree on the big thing. Basically, it has to be under one big tent. I like the phrase ‘under one tent.’ And so, that’s pretty much the ticket.”
crossposted at aflcio blog





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Thanks for this, Terkel cared about ordinary Americans, even when they forgot how to care for themselves against the class warriors.
American history reposed in Studs Terkel. His death leaves a hole far greater than the mass of the man himself. What a guy! I hope I’ll be as sharp at 65 as he was at 96.
Here are a couple of good remembrances about Studs.
Chicago Tribune
The Nation: Studs Terkel: Vigilant Optimist
Thank you so much for those. I had no idea of a lot that’s included in those links.
The first time I remember hearing about Studs Terkel was about his book, Hard Times: An Oral History of the Great Depression. I’ve come to believe the man was a national treasure and played the role of conscience of the country by exposing how real people think, work and feel. I didn’t realize until this afternoon that he has audio tapes, a treasure trove of his conversations about the depression available for anyone who has an interest.
He was a great man and this is quite a loss. May he rest in peace.
Ann,
Thanks for your link. I’ll be checking these interviews out during my sleepless times.
Yes, Studs was a great American. I’ve been thinking about him quite a bit since first seeing the news about his passing. His life was a roller coaster, but he certainly lived it to the fullest, and America is the richer for it.
It is a shame he didn’t live to see the day.
It sucks when our nation loses voices such as Terkel’s. His life will reflect in others, though.
Thank you for your lovely obituary, Tula. Studs was one of the great ones.
And why is “Rat Face” Rick Davis uglying up my TeeVee!!??!!
Must.find.remote.
what kayinmaine said. what elliot said too.
Thanks; I have wondered why there hasn’t been more about the great Studs in the netsroots blogosphere.
Reuters has included “Provocateur” in their obit . . .Studs would have liked that very much
Studs for Obama @ HuffPo
irony indeed… Studs Terkel came of age at the onset of the Great Depression and left at the onset of our present crisis, reckoned to be the worst since the Great Depression.
How fortunate you are, Tula, to have had a conversation with the man. Another great piece from the Nation on Terkel by John Nichols The Grand Immoderation of Studs Terkel
I love people who speak my mind.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/379041
I think you’re mistaken…
“From San Diego up to Maine,
in every mine and mill,
where working-men defend their rights,
it’s there you find Joe Hill,
it’s there you find Joe Hill!
I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
alive as you and me.
Says I “But Joe, you’re ten years dead”
“I never died” said he,
“I never died” said he.”
http://answers.yahoo.com/quest…..6021414275
Studs will be around..just as much as Joe Hill…
Hehe. From the Huffpo article:
me? i think Studs wanted to see the
Election Night 2008 returns come
in — from the highest of all “Sky-Boxes“. . .
truly, i do not mean that to be in opposition
to the entirety of his life — i think
Studs felt the fate of the first Black
President chances were very safe in OUR
hands — we, Studs might say, “. . .have the
power to do it right, this time. . .”
Namaste, Studs Terkel.
Thanks for this!
Teaching Humanities at my alma mater I used the 1930’s as a research paper.
Students complained about the organization of ‘Hard Times”, every story as important as the rest. By the time they were finished most treasured the book.
I wish Studs had lived till Tuesday, but he’s watching us all take back this country. I shall miss his voice for the “little people”
Studs, we will miss you!
Here are interviews on Democracy Now!: http://www.democracynow.org/bl….._1912_2008
And here is a piece I wrote after I saw the November 13, 2007 interview:
excerpt from No Stranger to Strange Lands: A Journey Through Strange Coincidences, Connective Thoughts, and Far Flung Places
Studs Terkel
…I seem to be existing in separate realities. One reality is my daily life and the regular people I encounter, who don’t seem to be concerned at all about the downfall of this nation due to the stealing of the elections – twice – and the lying us into an unnecessary war and the depletion of the federal coffers so that the only thing government can spend money on is the “war on terror” – goodbye education system, goodbye affordable health care, goodbye social security, goodbye infrastructure, goodbye government regulators of industry… Then there is the reality that I seek out on the internet, the “left-wing” blogs and information sources, and LINK TV. It is truly a bubble unto its own. One that is full of the most creative, intelligent, talented, aware, caring people, one that could and should be a more widespread non-bubble phenomenon, if only its message could get past the corporate right-wing propaganda machine that passes for “news” in this country.
Today, Amy Goodman was in Chicago to interview Studs Terkel for two hours – an amazing man and another national treasure – why had I not heard of him before? Why isn’t he more commonly known outside of Chicago? His radio show played for an hour, five days a week, from 1952 to 1997. He interviewed really interesting people like British philosopher Bertrand Russell, gospel singer Mahalia Jackson, author James Baldwin, Pete Seeger, who played with Woody Guthrie in the group, The Almanac Singers, and many, many more famous and not so famous people. He was very active in supporting the workers rights movement, the civil rights movement, and was blacklisted as a Communist during the McCarthy era. He, like Howard Zinn, was most interested in the telling of history by regular folks and through diverse viewpoints, in order to counter the prevailing narratives that the powerful would like us believe. In this interview, he starts out by stating that the “greatest generation” came out of the 60’s, not WWII. He talks about the perversion of our language and our thoughts concerning key words like “Commie” and “Liberal” and “Terrorist.” He, like me, wants to know why the so-called “center” is actually so far to the right, thus painting so many as being on the far left fringes that should really be considered mainstream. Much of this is because we do not understand our own history and background. Studs digs right into Alan Greenspan, lamenting that he is a big Ayn Rand fan and throwing in that she believed that the rich deserve to be on top and the poor deserve to be “down there.” He calls the free market ideologues “members of the new religion we have,” and points out the irony that the children and grandchildren of the people that were saved by the actions of the New Deal government during the Great Depression are now ignorantly calling out “too much government.” His rapid-fire 95 year old mind then moves right into how the response to the attacks of 9/11 have been an insult to our common sense of decency and to our intelligence… and that just begins the interview. Later, he comes around to finish out his overall thinking on all of this:
“How could it be at the end of World War II, we were the most honored powerful nation in the world? ‘Honored’ is the key word. Today we’re the most despised and feared. How come? Because the American public itself has no memory of past. You know, Gore Vidal used a phrase, ‘the United States of Amnesia.’ I say the United States of Alzheimer’s. We forgot what happened yesterday. We know all about Paris Hilton. We know about that. But what do we know about — why are we there in Iraq? And they say, when you attack our policy, you’re attacking the boys. On the contrary, we’re defending those boys. We want them back home with their families, doing their work and not a war that we know is built upon an obscene lie. We know that now. And so, it’s this lack of history that’s been denied us, just as the case of this guy who was told the government saved them during the Great Depression.”
I was particularly struck by the quote that Studs Terkel pulls out of his jacket pocket during the interview when the subject of James Baldwin comes up. Here is Terkel quoting Baldwin:
“History does not refer merely […] to the past. On the contrary, the great force of history comes from the fact that we carry it, the past, with us. And we’re ‘unconsciously controlled’ in so many ways, that history, the past, is present now in all we do.”
That is obviously a very important idea to Studs Terkel, and it is exactly what I am driving at about history not only being so important to inform our actions, but that it actually exists in a substantial way in the present as well as in the past. The denial and rewriting of history has been purposefully perpetrated on this nation in order to distract us from caring about anything but what our next purchases will be. At the same time that we are amnesiacs, we are “unconsciously controlled” by a past that we do not know. No wonder we are so confused and easily distracted. Perhaps it is not me who is schizophrenic, but the rest of society, the ones who do not realize that they are so easily manipulated by the corporate interests that run this country, who do not know the historical facts upon which the present stands, who do not recognize the hypocrisy of so much that comes out of the mouths of our illustrious leaders. Isn’t it strange that it is Progressives who want to remember the past accurately, in order to be able to understand ourselves better, while Conservatives want to conserve not the past, but the status quo, and are perfectly happy rewriting the past to follow the narrative they want to disseminate in order to hold on to their status and power? They tend to gloss over the bad and the ugly and glorify the “good” parts of history’s story. They get mad when someone brings up the painful particulars. They attempt to bury those not so happy memories. This is not healthy for individuals nor for societies. As James Baldwin points out, the past does not go away. It stays with us, and we need to have the strength of character to work through the hard parts as well as the happy, to own up to them and heal them, not just ignore them and let them unconsciously control us until they burst out in some uncontrollable rage. History and Memories – they are both, if not themselves irrational, very closely connected with the irrational universe of the Emotions.
http://www.julierbutler.blogspot.com
Yes, I will sure miss this guy. His influence sent me on a five year oral history bender!
The young doctor told me, “I remember the first time I killed somebody…” Another gleefully admitted that he had performed his own vasectomy at a time when that procedure was illegal in Wisconsin. The chairman of a surgery department tells me he’s unable to give blood because he passes out when pricked with needles. These conversations never would have happened had it not been for Studs Terkel.(www.whitecoatwisdom.com)
When I was 20 years old, I got my first job in public radio reading news and weather, and then turning on reel-to-reel tapes of the 1950s Studs Terkel’s Almanac. It was an old show even back then, but apparently still had immediacy in the early ’80s. I never really listened to it because I had to work while it was playing. But when I heard Studs passed away, I couldn’t help but reflect on what a significant impact he had had on my life.
The first oral history I ever read was Working, in which Studs let regular people discuss what their jobs were like. I was hooked immediately. I had never read anything like it before and was captivated by it. I loved hearing people express themselves verbally, while engaged in conversation. It was just so refreshing and without pretension. It was also really easy reading because you just get so caught up in it. You were eavesdropping on a fascinating discussion.
As my radio career advanced, I took over the medical beat at Wisconsin Public Radio and soon realized physicians were truly remarkable members of society who would make for excellent oral history subjects. They’re typically gifted communicators, incredibly brainy, and they have the most intriguing experiences.
I sat on the oral history idea for about 15 years before finally getting off the dime in 2003. Using Working as my model, I set out to find out what makes physicians tick. Unlike Studs, who focused on the ordinary person, I went after the extraordinary doctor who most people just didn’t know about. I knew about them because of my journalism work and because I later became a staffer at the Wisconsin Medical Society, where I spent almost a decade getting to know many more physicians even better.
Once I embarked on this odyssey, I spent every early morning for three and a half years transcribing and editing some of the most incredible conversations—56 hours in all—representing more than 900 years of medical experience. Studs was right. Give people a chance to speak and you’ll be amazed at what they’ll tell you. This was especially true with physicians.
The gift of Studs Terkel is the lesson we ignore all too often in our fast paced lives. It’s the importance of listening. Pure and simple. Everybody has a story and each of us can learn something from it.
How can you not admire the honesty of a physician who admits she fell short as a young doctor, unnecessarily hastening a terminally ill patient’s death? She now uses the experience to make sure the residents she trains never make the same mistake.
Lessons abound when we listen. And thank goodness Studs Terkel was around to teach me that.
The young doctor told me, “I remember the first time I killed somebody…” Another gleefully admitted that he had performed his own vasectomy at a time when that procedure was illegal in Wisconsin. The chairman of a surgery department tells me he’s unable to give blood because he passes out when pricked with needles. These conversations never would have happened had it not been for Studs Terkel.
When I was 20 years old, I got my first job in public radio reading news and weather, and then turning on reel-to-reel tapes of the 1950s Studs Terkel’s Almanac. It was an old show even back then, but apparently still had immediacy in the early ’80s. I never really listened to it because I had to work while it was playing. But when I heard Studs passed away, I couldn’t help but reflect on what a significant impact he had had on my life.
The first oral history I ever read was Working, in which Studs let regular people discuss what their jobs were like. I was hooked immediately. I had never read anything like it before and was captivated by it. I loved hearing people express themselves verbally, while engaged in conversation. It was just so refreshing and without pretension. It was also really easy reading because you just get so caught up in it. You were eavesdropping on a fascinating discussion.
As my radio career advanced, I took over the medical beat at Wisconsin Public Radio and soon realized physicians were truly remarkable members of society who would make for excellent oral history subjects. They’re typically gifted communicators, incredibly brainy, and they have the most intriguing experiences.
I sat on the oral history idea for about 15 years before finally getting off the dime in 2003. Using Working as my model, I set out to find out what makes physicians tick. Unlike Studs, who focused on the ordinary person, I went after the extraordinary doctor who most people just didn’t know about. I knew about them because of my journalism work and because I later became a staffer at the Wisconsin Medical Society, where I spent almost a decade getting to know many more physicians even better.
Once I embarked on this odyssey, I spent every early morning for three and a half years transcribing and editing some of the most incredible conversations—56 hours in all—representing more than 900 years of medical experience. Studs was right. Give people a chance to speak and you’ll be amazed at what they’ll tell you. This was especially true with physicians.
The gift of Studs Terkel is the lesson we ignore all too often in our fast paced lives. It’s the importance of listening. Pure and simple. Everybody has a story and each of us can learn something from it.
How can you not admire the honesty of a physician who admits she fell short as a young doctor, unnecessarily hastening a terminally ill patient’s death? She now uses the experience to make sure the residents she trains never make the same mistake.
Lessons abound when we listen. And thank goodness Studs Terkel was around to teach me that.
A fantastic show from 1963 in which Studs climbs abourd a certain train on its way to Washington to hear a certain speech and just lets his tape recorder run while he talks to ‘ordinary’ Americans who long for real change can be found here.
Me, I figure it’s a train that is going to finally enter its final station Tuesday – and I sure hope Studs left his tape recorder on so that he can hear the inspiration and the fulfillment of everybody’s dream.
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My thoughts on what the Roosevelt’s WPA Writers Project and the life and times of Mr. Terkel meant to someone looking at America from afar can be found here for anyone interested.
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