Pity Mr. William Frey. Joe Nocera tells us Frey,
… a broker-dealer in Greenwich, Conn., invested in a pool of toxic mortgages, along with hundreds of other investors. His big point is that because the contracts are so ironclad, and the interests of the various investors are diverse and often in conflict, there is no legal way to modify mortgages in those pools. He wrote a letter threatening to take action against any mortgage servicers who took steps to prevent foreclosures….
The pity is that Mr. Frey, for all that he has enough money to live in Greenwich, has never heard of the Bankruptcy Code, that devilish invention used by other wealthy people to modify all kinds of debt instruments in Chapter 11 cases.
For the pathetic Mr. Frey, the only plausible solution is
… the government would buy mortgages at face value, and then use Fannie and Freddie to write homeowners new, more affordable mortgages that reflected the current value of the homes. The government would have to absorb the difference between the original mortgages and the new ones.
Who is this "government"? That’s right, he means the only possible solution is for you and me to pay. Investors aren’t going to agree to take any losses, and will sue anyone who tries to force the losses onto them. And they have Contracts! And Ironclad Legal Rights! So they have to get their money.
Mr. Frey acknowledged that it wasn’t fair that both borrower and lender were made whole, while the taxpayer had to take the loss. But he believes that the securitization contracts make it impossible to solve the problem any other way. “Theoretically, morally and logically, the investor should absorb the loss,” he said. “But how do you get the loss to them? I don’t see a way.”
See? Don’t you understand? There is no way losses can be put off on investors. Sad, isn’t it? The rich can’t lose money on risky investments. Especially when they have iron-clad contracts. All they have to do is sit tight, and sue anyone who modifies their mortgages.
Then what will happen? Homeowners will continue to default, the glut of foreclosed houses will keep the housing market on its downward spiral, and eventually, after enough mortgages go into foreclosure, Mr. Frey’s pot will have a few scraps in it. And that is his big threat?
I just wish someone could educate the ignorant Mr. Frey about bankruptcy. Or maybe someone could explain the result of continued foreclosures, which the thoughtless Mr. Frey hasn’t considered. Who knows, maybe Barney Frank will explain things to him when Mr. Frey appears before the House Financial Services Subcommittee in the near future. It’s a bad idea to act stupid around Mr. Frank, a man not known for treating people nicely when they ought to know better.





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We don’t have the money to do that. If we tried e would have to tax the rich more to make up the short fall.
Or we could Print EVEN more money and watch the vaule of the Dollar decline more.
Well Legally its called Bankruptcy since nobody is buying your contracts at face value in the free market.
What your are proposing is Corporate Welfare, Trickle up economics money from the middle class flows up to keep the rich rich.
Public School because I’m guessing the Private schools are all teaching Chicago School economics because its so self serving to the rich to believe that contra reality.
I posted this on my diary yesterday but I guess nobody read it:
“The 2005 changes made clear that certain derivatives and financial transactions were exempt from provisions in the bankruptcy code that freeze a failed company’s assets until a court decides how to apportion them among creditors.”
That is a good point but now we are bailing out these fools with our money and now they want more money.
I suggest you cover the topic again with another Diary.
Excellent post massacio, thank you.
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Mr. Frey wants to go on welfare.
For anyone who is interested, here is contact information for William Frey including fax number and email address.
Thanks.
Thank you! I always learn a lot from your posts.
That sums it up nicely, thanks masaccio.
Investment is supposed to be all about the risks – those people who want to take more risk have the opportunity to make greater rewards. That is the way it is supposed to work. To say to these people: You don’t have to take any risk and you will still get rewards..is …wrong.
This Mr Frey must be a McShame advisor. Another of the terminally stupid class. Foreclose here, foreclose now!
Mr. Frey is trying to suggest a tidy alternative to taking every single mortgage and contesting it in court, whether because of bankruptcy or other reason. He wants the government to neatly suck it all up and leave the investors be.
Because if we the people, in an effort to get to the bottom of this mess actually cracked open every single failing mortgage (including the subprime ones) we’d find an awful lot of reasons for discovery of records that go deeper into the investments back end.
Why did the White House resist investigation of subprime mortgages, even in the face of protest by all 50 states’ attorneys general, hmm?
Ironclad contracts? Idiot. He has nothing.
Either modify the mortgages so people can stay in their homes, or modify the mortgages through foreclosure.
Either way the “investors loose”.
This moron should spend his time sueing the people who wrote the underiting standards, that is: the “investors” who bought the mortgages and bundeled them into securities.
What that mean exactly?
There is a movement here in SoCal for litigation on TILA (Truth in Lending Violations) on mortgages (Technically they are not mortgages in California, please don’t pick at me for use of the generic term).
These lawyers have a very high success rate in reducing the amount of the loan or getting complete recission. Mr Frey want to ensure his pool of mortgage does not have these falws before putting pen to paper.
Glenn Smith up at the mothership with new thready goodness.
Funny that they appointed a guy named Cash’n’Carry (OK, actually Kashkari) to man the wheelbarrows and cart as much money as possible to the big
contributorsinvestors. Who says Rethugs don’t have a sense of humor?It means Frey -despicable as his actions might be- has legal justification for his perspective.
Yes, we ARE being screwed, which is why I ‘bolded’ “Again, the Congress Critters NEED to be hearing from the citizenry. AND I don’t mean just by voting.” in my ‘diary’(#4)
Additionally:
The NY Times piece makes clear the mods will be limited to JP Morgan’s owned mortgages, not the one it only services. So that begs the question: if this is such a great idea, why the ramp-up now? Morgan had a program underway already, as again the article notes.
This all smacks of a hasty effort to pre-empt regulatory intervention, particularly with the FDIC’s Sheila Bair on the warpath to Do Something
Gedankenexperiment: How Could This be Worse Than the Depression?
The main provision is 11 U.S.C. 561. There are a number of related provisions. Here is a moderately technical description of the way the changes to the Code work.
The main problem is that entities facing bankruptcy can be forced to put up collateral to support their credit default swap transactions. So, if AIG were forced into Chapter 11, other parties could demand collateral for AIGs credit default swaps. This puts AIG’s counterparties in a position to get more than other unsecured creditors of AIG. More important, it could hamstring a reorganization by removing all of the cash and readily marketable securities and delivering them to the counterparties.
There is some reason to believe that AIG has used a bunch of the money it got from us to put up collateral for its derivatives, including its CDSs. That would really suck. CDSs are merely gambling on debt. I couldn’t care less if gamblers can’t enforce their contracts.
Some want their contracts upheld completely because they forsee the collapse of the mortgages (who doesn’t by now?) and they want to be insured. They might even profit from that insurance through CDSs. Mr. Frey appears to be in the latter category. Those folks feel they’ve played by the rules and they want them enforced.
Some want to get away from their CDS and mortgage obligations which are pulling them down. They are sometimes in the “too big to fail” category and want government to protect them from failure.
Government has tried several ways to protect contracts and yet solve the problem. The bailout/rescue law was to let them BUY bad mortgages, take them out of the system and have everyone go on as normal. This has been diverted by Paulson & friends who clearly appear to be siding with the big guys.
The public have been put on the line with a promise of repayment. They’re obviously not happy with having been volunteered to put their fingers in the dike holding back a millennial flood.
So, with this line-up of players what could the possible solution be that will protect everybody to the necessary degree?
Q: Who paid the asset rating agencies to tell them these toxic mortgages were “AAA” quality?
Those which sold a CDS and then bought one from another firm were alright…barely.
Those who at the end of the day sold CDSs without full backing aren’t any different than a conman or insurance fraud — even though the CDSs are unregulated.
Before the game the “too big to fail”s told Paulson — THEY TOLD THE GOVERNMENT — they wouldn’t participate unless they could set the terms. Who exactly is in charge here?
Should we …
Q: Buy Mr. Frey’s toxic assets at full value like he deserves (or does he?)?
Q: Let Mr. Frey’s assets continue until the natural foreclose (which leaves the national economy strangled!), then buy ‘em?
Q: Cancel all CDSs (insurance policies) and watch Mr. Frey jump at any opportunity to sell before the value of his CDOs drops further?
Q: Is there any situation where government should force events?
One thing is certain. Government CANNOT let Wall Street control government and blackmail the American people by threatening to destroy the economy. If the government pays off everybody then what’s to stop them from doing it all again in the future?
Q: What solution can essentially be pushed through without destroying everything in sight. Break contracts? Force sales? etc.
Q: What natural economic event exactly would ‘force’ Mr. Frey to sell his CDOs? What natural economic event(s) would push for motion which would resolve the whole mess?
Q: Does the economy have to crash & burn to the ground before these people will be satisfied nobody else got more than them?
Q: How do we know which firms, such as Mr. Frey’s, were ‘in on the deal’ and deserve losses and which were just playing the game by rules somebody else set?
Q: Does it matter? Isn’t the bigger question for government of how to get everything back on track regardless of who gets hurt more?
Obviously there are lots of questions and few complete answers.
Here’s how I see it.
Problems:
1) (toxic) mortgages which will absolutely fail
2) toxic mortgages are sliced & diced into CDOs making them inextricable
3) CDSs (insurance against failing CDOs) which aren’t backed properly.
4) mark-to-market valuing of CDOs drop a banks reserves…no credit flow
5) it’s international
6) Who’s to blame?
What we should do about these problems:
Now:
(forcibly) Buy toxic mortgages & take ‘em out of the system.
Let banks seek new capitalization based on assets which can be evaluated.
Fix laws to prevent new toxic mortgages.
Regulate (as insurance) or ban new CDSs.
Over time:
Force Wall Street firms which created toxic CDOs to pay back the government for whatever it can’t recover on it’s own through mortgage rehabilitation. Also, charge them something to cover the costs to government to fix their problems.
Make firms which didn’t have properly backed CDSs pay more to fix it all.