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	<title>Comments on: Shuster Cites Hamsher on The Lieberman Cave In</title>
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		<title>By: libluv</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/1895/comment-page-1#comment-14283</link>
		<dc:creator>libluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In response to cinnamonape @ 80 (show text&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get over Iraq. It had to happen sooner or later. Remember the Democrat congress and Senate voted for it. Were they that naive or did they change their opinion when it was politically necessary? We have won that conflict but fear not Bambi Obama has plenty of time to insure a defeat to a war we already one. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again, the only way to save the US auto companies is to break the back of the UAW. Hopefully, the top auto executives will do this after they receive the bailout.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to cinnamonape @ 80 (show text</p>
<p>Get over Iraq. It had to happen sooner or later. Remember the Democrat congress and Senate voted for it. Were they that naive or did they change their opinion when it was politically necessary? We have won that conflict but fear not Bambi Obama has plenty of time to insure a defeat to a war we already one. </p>
<p>Again, the only way to save the US auto companies is to break the back of the UAW. Hopefully, the top auto executives will do this after they receive the bailout.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/1895/comment-page-1#comment-14026</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Pach.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pach.</p>
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		<title>By: BMiller224</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/1895/comment-page-1#comment-14022</link>
		<dc:creator>BMiller224</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m surprised at the extent to which the Democratic Party line on this has been that the Senate kept Lieberman in his Committee Chairmanship because it’s what Obama wanted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can understand that they want to hide behind Obama’s current popularity. But I haven’t heard anything that makes me think Obama was pressing hard on this. I would have preferred he stay out of it. But it was the Senate Democrats’ decision, so he may have figured he had nothing to lose by expressing his preference to keep Lieberman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But even if Obama was pushing the Senate Dems hard on this, it seems to me there was a time not so long ago when the Senators would have at least felt it necessary to act all huffy and offended that they would let the President-elect tell them how to do their Senate business.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s probably one more symptom of the Senate Democrats’ general timidity that they’re so happy to use Obama as an excuse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m surprised at the extent to which the Democratic Party line on this has been that the Senate kept Lieberman in his Committee Chairmanship because it’s what Obama wanted.</p>
<p>I can understand that they want to hide behind Obama’s current popularity. But I haven’t heard anything that makes me think Obama was pressing hard on this. I would have preferred he stay out of it. But it was the Senate Democrats’ decision, so he may have figured he had nothing to lose by expressing his preference to keep Lieberman.</p>
<p>But even if Obama was pushing the Senate Dems hard on this, it seems to me there was a time not so long ago when the Senators would have at least felt it necessary to act all huffy and offended that they would let the President-elect tell them how to do their Senate business.</p>
<p>It’s probably one more symptom of the Senate Democrats’ general timidity that they’re so happy to use Obama as an excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/1895/comment-page-1#comment-14015</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought Obama was going to can Traitor Joe.  Now I think different.  Here’s what I think now.  Barack is going to push to get universal health care through in the first few months of his administration.  He has a pot of money (what’s left over from the $700 billion party gift) to play with, and can make a plausible case that bailing out people’s health care anxieties will get them to spend more money on other stuff.  Hey! It works for me.  Traitor Joe’s vote will be crucial. Martin is a very long shot in GA, so that leaves us with 58 if Franken slips through.  Figure two votes from the Maine Republiks, and you have filibuster proof bill with Traitor Joe’s vote.  I think that’s the play. Joe is temporary.  The universal medical care is forever.  Seems like a good trade-off to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, that’s how I read his reprieve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Obama was going to can Traitor Joe.  Now I think different.  Here’s what I think now.  Barack is going to push to get universal health care through in the first few months of his administration.  He has a pot of money (what’s left over from the $700 billion party gift) to play with, and can make a plausible case that bailing out people’s health care anxieties will get them to spend more money on other stuff.  Hey! It works for me.  Traitor Joe’s vote will be crucial. Martin is a very long shot in GA, so that leaves us with 58 if Franken slips through.  Figure two votes from the Maine Republiks, and you have filibuster proof bill with Traitor Joe’s vote.  I think that’s the play. Joe is temporary.  The universal medical care is forever.  Seems like a good trade-off to me.</p>
<p>Anyway, that’s how I read his reprieve.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
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		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/1895/comment-page-1#comment-14009</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;imo, there &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; no honeymoon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;not that Obama was expecting one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He didn’t take on this task on a whim.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surely he knew it would be rough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not saying slack off.  Just realize he’s been through an incredibly long, exhausting effort just to win the election.  And he’s landed on his feet, not just treading water but striving to make quick progress while - let’s face it - as we quibble, the ground is crumbling under his feet along with everyone else’s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please take some time to watch and be sure what we are reacting to.  This is no time to strike out blindly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even cabinet appointments can be changed when circumstances change.  E.g., Might it NOT be a bad idea, when dealing with cantankerous, panicky, egotistic CEOs, to have cabinet temps in place who know precisely how to push their buttons in order to steer a course that might carry us through these awful times with a minimum of permanent damage to the nation and the world?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[disclaimer: foregoing is just a random example, blindly flung into the ethers by an idjet]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>imo, there <em>was</em> no honeymoon.</p>
<p>not that Obama was expecting one.</p>
<p>He didn’t take on this task on a whim.</p>
<p>Surely he knew it would be rough.</p>
<p>I’m not saying slack off.  Just realize he’s been through an incredibly long, exhausting effort just to win the election.  And he’s landed on his feet, not just treading water but striving to make quick progress while &#8211; let’s face it &#8211; as we quibble, the ground is crumbling under his feet along with everyone else’s.</p>
<p>Please take some time to watch and be sure what we are reacting to.  This is no time to strike out blindly.</p>
<p>Even cabinet appointments can be changed when circumstances change.  E.g., Might it NOT be a bad idea, when dealing with cantankerous, panicky, egotistic CEOs, to have cabinet temps in place who know precisely how to push their buttons in order to steer a course that might carry us through these awful times with a minimum of permanent damage to the nation and the world?</p>
<p>[disclaimer: foregoing is just a random example, blindly flung into the ethers by an idjet]</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You.  Rock.  Period.&lt;br /&gt;
There are a lot of commenters here who do not appreciate being shouted at.  And, also, are a little tired of the cynical, snarky, every time you turn around there’s someone turning up the heat.&lt;br /&gt;
I thank you for your comment. You are more literate than I.&lt;br /&gt;
((adie))&lt;br /&gt;
as always, ….demi&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You.  Rock.  Period.<br />
There are a lot of commenters here who do not appreciate being shouted at.  And, also, are a little tired of the cynical, snarky, every time you turn around there’s someone turning up the heat.<br />
I thank you for your comment. You are more literate than I.<br />
((adie))<br />
as always, ….demi</p>
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		<title>By: steve1</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did anyone see little Joey LIEberman on with Katie Couric this evening? Well, Joe said he wasn’t punished at all and now feel closer than ever to the Dems. This man is so small, has not a shred of decency, let alone dignity. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He doesn’t even realize just how ridiculous he appears to all that pay attention to this stuff. The man is a national joke that should be turned into a national punch line. You know, like whenever someone make a complete dick out of themselves, that shall now be referred to as, “hey, that guy made a completer Lieberman out of himself.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone see little Joey LIEberman on with Katie Couric this evening? Well, Joe said he wasn’t punished at all and now feel closer than ever to the Dems. This man is so small, has not a shred of decency, let alone dignity. </p>
<p>He doesn’t even realize just how ridiculous he appears to all that pay attention to this stuff. The man is a national joke that should be turned into a national punch line. You know, like whenever someone make a complete dick out of themselves, that shall now be referred to as, “hey, that guy made a completer Lieberman out of himself.”</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Retribution is a dish best served cold….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retribution is a dish best served cold….</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/1895/comment-page-1#comment-14003</link>
		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;dam wordpress regex suckage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;3&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dam wordpress regex suckage.</p>
<p>&lt;3</p>
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