Anger, outrage, frustration all those bright hot emotions. They are at once motivating and destructive to anything that you would like to get done. It is not that any of the readers here don’t know it, they see it in the anger of others. “How could X say that, it is so full of anger that even though she has a point, no one will listen” is something that we have all thought. Yet how often do we look at ourselves and see the same is true for us?
Let’s take the current flare up of the Palestinian/Israeli grudge match. If one wants to be angry, outraged and frustrated could there be a situation more suited to finding it than this one? There is a long history of shit between the two groups of people that want to call the same area of land home. There are killings, destruction of property, retaliations, attacks, counter attacks and tactics on all sides of this that have caused a huge amount of pain for far too many of our fellow humans.
It is really enough to make any person sick to their stomach, regardless of the side that you find the most sympathy for. That is really the problem. How could anyone defend the killing of citizens by suicide bombing? How could anyone defend the destruction of homes filled with civilians just to get at some of the enemy? How could anyone defend the fact that there are those that say one side has no right to exist as an independent state? How could anyone defend the callousness that the other side exhibits?
Yet on every side there seem to be those that will down play the acts on their side that are indefensible while playing up those of the enemy. There is this idea, the tyranny of the “or” where one thing or the other must be true and right while the other thing must be false and wrong. The Dog would like to suggest that we stop engaging in that tyranny. In this conflict (not just the recent one but the over arching one) there is no side that is blameless or totally justified in their actions. The conflict has gone on too long and been too bloody for that to be true, if it ever were.
This is an important idea, as without it we will stand here and watch this cycle again and again and again. There is no doubt in the Dog’s mind that everyone on every side of this issue has a human justification for their opinion. Whether you have a zero tolerance for acts of terror, whether you just care about children and the general population of either country, whether you feel that the actions of Israel make things less or more stable all of these the Dog is sure are motivated from the best of motives. But if we allow those very real causes to push us into the bright hot place of anger, then we lose twice. Not only will our arguments be less effective, they will mostly be spent trying to convince those fools that don’t share our views of how wrong they are, not what we should do about the problem.
Now, you might say that this is easy for the Dog to say, as he really has no horse in this race. But the Dog is talking from personal and family experience. The Dog is part of a sprawling Irish family. This is the kind of family that was so partisan for the Republic of Ireland that when I was a kid we sang “If you hate the English Army, clap your hands” instead of “if you’re happy and you know it”. We stopped buying any thing from any English company when Bobby Sands died from his hunger strike. We are the type of family that cursed the French and Napoleon for coming late to the 1798 rebellion, like it had happened last week. Like the Palestinian /Israeli conflict the problems of N. Ireland had gone on for generations. Tit for tat violence and terrorism was the way of things and there was no place for anything but being right about our grievance and the hell with those damn Royal lovers!
But in the 1990’s something change, both here and in Ireland. There was an understanding that if we wanted more for the young men of our villages and towns than an early and violent death, we would have to put our very real wrongs aside. That the Orangemen had hanged fifteen members of the Dogs family nearly 200 years ago, that the English had humiliated Catholics in the streets of Belfast, was not enough reason to keep dying and fighting. We could have peace, if we could put our anger aside. The only reason that we would is that the other side would. It was and is still, fairly fragile, but in the end anger lost its brightness, its hotness and so we could find a way to peace.
So, what is the point of all this? Simple really, that if you want progress, you have to give up the bright hotness of anger. It is not that you should not be motivated by outrages, they are great motivators, but if you give into the anger, then all you can get is anger. Justice, peace, harmony, they are cool emotions; they can not survive alongside the blast furnace of anger. Which leads us to the question, what is more important? Being right and on the side of the moral high ground, or finding a way to end the human pain that this conflict routinely inflicts?
The floor is yours.





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Most excellent, Dog!!!
Thank you.
(It is my sincere hope that this diary receives the attention which it most definitely deserves)
DW
Thanks! I don’t know if it will help. For those engaged in their outrage, it is hard to look beyond it, or even want too. That said, at some point there will be enough people that are no longer willing to live with all of the consequences of this constant war and will end it.
this wisdom has many applications – including the Rick Warren choice for inaugural prayer.
i don’t think that anger has to control us. we can be angry and feel compassion and act with mercy, we can be angry and still try to think clearly. anger isn’t the problem – denial, injustice and cruelty are.
maybe this comes from being taught that women aren’t supposed to get angry – it’s unladylike or something. but i’ve come to think that anger can be a powerful and helpful emotion. it depends on how we use it – as an excuse for bad acts or as a source of wisdom and energy?
i want to go even further and say that the idea of “sides” is both false and unhelpful. “sides” implies that there is an israeli side, usually one that is characterized by the actions of their government and other leaders (likewise the palestinians). but the fact of the matter is that there are as many sides as there are israelis (and palestinians) – and the focus on “sides” helps us to lose sight of that.
there are israelis and palestinians who are and have been working together for peace – a peace the recognizes equality and the universality of human rights for all the people. when we focus on the “sides” we don’t see them and i think that is a mistake because it keeps us from being on the side of the peacemakers, people like jeff halper and ghassan andoni.
i don’t understand?
I agree. Though that is a pretty high level of abstraction for a lot of people. Especially those that are outraged by whichever latest event is keeping them spun up.
i’m pretty outraged too. one of the reasons i keep writing about the peacemakers is to remind myself.
Well there is a lot to be outraged by. It is not like I feel any group has clean hands, on this issue. There are indefensible actions everywhere one looks. But being outraged has not helped us stop the very real human suffering that goes on with all groups. That is what my focus is, as poor as my efforts are.
Very fine diary. Rec’d.
Thank you! That is very kind of you to say.
The DIGNITY is on its way from Cyprus to Gaza. Whatever some of you may think about the Green Party, Cynthia McKinney is on that ship. A brave woman she is.
She would be a great guest at FDL. We would get a first person account of Gaza that would not be filtered by MSM.
http://www.freegaza.org/index……7e5b970612
WONDERFUL post, Dog. Many thanks.
Digg the Dog!
Wow. Very nicely put.
Dugg, Laura!
Dog,
I agree with your take that the Israeli way of defending themselves will keep them at war for many years to come. At some point, smarter heads need to step up and say we have had enough violence. The only thing that is guaranteed by the Israeli air strikes is more Hamas terrorists being recruited because of the latest uptick in violence.
Dugg, Laura! Aloha! Ya missed last nite’s fireworks at the Beach Haus, M’dear…! *g*
You write beautifully. Hope you will be here at oxdown again – often.
Not hardly, CT. Read the post this morning. Glad we took the grandkids to see the Nutcracker instead!
Details?
Great diary, thank you.
This is why Oxdown is the best.
We need more Jedi intervention like this Excellent Post, Dog!
What you are describing is called the “Dark Side” of the Force in ‘Star Wars’ – Under the tutelage of the future Emperor, Senator Palpatine, Anakin Skywalker gorged himself on ‘justifiable’ Anger to become the ’slayer’ of the Rebels – Darth Vader.
It was said that my grandfather cheered on Hitler against Britian during the early days of WW II. He later came to his senses. White hot anger has always been a great motivator, the key is to keep it smoldering inperseptible in the ashes so with the next outrage the bellows can quickly reignite the inferno. The parties that have an interest in that smoldering coal are Likud and Hamas. They have the bellows. How do we take it away? The newest bellows are the press no bellow blew hotter than the Hutu and Tutsi radio stations.
I see, nevermind. Later all.
Fireworks???
Really nice correlation, Dog.
The Dog makes a lot of sense, but why? Why put the anger aside, if one feels morally justified in his or her position? Because as a practical matter, the problem may be deemed so intractable that even moral justification may not morally justify the anger? Let’s say that’s right. So the corollary is that one may rest on one’s anger and outrage only if the problem is less than intractable? Hmm. Then if one is strong enough as a practical matter to make a problem intractable, one can justify that which otherwise cannot be morally justified? Not saying the Dog is wrong, just trying to explore the contours of the premise a bit more.
ES has LLN up at the mothership…!
I will donate $25.00 to the favorite charity of the first person who can come up with a single word of sympathy for dead Palestinians spoken by a Democratic Party politician.
Olmert has banned talk of a truce..calls for iron fist against Hamas.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl…..12,00.html
UN official says that Israel attacked during a lull…they broke the ceasefire..
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl…..72,00.html
Barak to allow 100 trucks of food and medical supplies to enter Gaza on Tuesday. The donations are from Turkey, Jordan, and International Agencies.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articl…..75,00.html
Dennis Kucinich…
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2008/12/29-3
From Frank Herbert’s Dosadi Experiment:
God bless Dennis!
Over and over again he illustrates what a real American patriot is.
Impossible to be late to this thread. Way to lay it out Dog.
Another terrific post, Dog. Absolutely spot on.
Interesting but not quite on point. This is less, to me, about the philosophy than the fact that being unwilling to let go of a grievance makes any kind of solution less likely.
It is a pragmatic thing. I see these kind of long term issues as ones that generate a disproportional amount of suffering. Since I am opposed to letting humans suffer, we have to look to what is making the problem intractable. It is the old anger, as well as the new, but mostly the old as it is used to justify the acts the genre ate the new.
So, if there is to be resolution, you have to let go of the anger that you inherited. I do not know any of my family that were hanged. I was not there when the French failed to show up on time, which allowed the English to hang 2/3 of the men in the country and clear cut it.
These were heinous act, there is no doubt, but hanging on to them is not worth having no peace. It is a decision that two peoples have to come to themselves, with all the good will in the world, if the two peoples involved don’t want to do what it takes to get to peace, then pressure from outside will not help.
Are you actually Irish or are you an American calling yourself Irish because that is where your family originated?
I am the first generation of my family born in this country, but I hold citizenship in both. So, I guess you will have to tell me what that qualifies me as.
You write like an American. My Irish friends would call you an American. As they are Irish born and bred I accept their judgement on the matter.
The Family of Humanity & a Citizen of Earth…
Okay, so now that have answered that, why does it matter?
Always and of course! I am a species-ist, so I try to ID with my species first, countries second.
I was wondering what those experiences were as your account of what motivated the peace process in the six counties of Ulster is flat out contradicted by people who were involved in that process. Including Both Martin McGuinness and Danny Morrison who pointed to the military situation as the main motivation. This is borne out by other accounts by people engaged in the process as Sherpas and the account written by David Ervine.
Sorry if I don’t see the contradiction in the fact that there was a miltary stalemate which lead to a constant low level of misery and death and the fact that it got to the point where the people of the country on both sides decided that it was no longer worth it. It is the cost of carrying your grievances from the past in the present that makes either side willing to compromise. That is a precondition of any negotiated settlement. Even then, there was enough doubt and suspicion that the English had to disband the first Irish parliament for a while.
The point is, from the point of view of my family (about half of whom still live in Ireland) that we had to be ready to let go of our old hates before we would ever be able to make any kind of peace work.
A military resistance group does not need overwhelming or even majority support in its host community to continue, the acquiescence of about 20% and the support of fewer than that – about 5% is all that is needed.
Everything I have learnt about both the Irish and the South African experiences contradict what you are saying.
In each case the protagonists realised that they could no longer win. That victory was not achievable. This they said was what brought them to the negotiating table.
My Lebanese brothers have made similar points at briefings I have read.
I agree that people are motivated by practical concerns. Perhaps there is a way that you both (Dog and Mohammed) are saying a similar thing but speaking past each other.
Movements are based on achieving goals and will (if they are well-run) adopt strategies and tactics that give them the best chance of achieving all or some of those goals. Dog speaks of letting go of anger as if it was an almost spiritual revelation that was reached. Maybe so … but going to the negotiating table was also a strategy that was based on the perceived best chance of achieving the movement’s goals. Put another way, if anger is indeed ultimately self-destructive as well as other-destructive, setting it aside often serves the best interests of movements (this is what Gandhi, Tutu and King found).
One other thing about setting aside anger, though. As much as I am a proponent of it for any number of reasons, it is one thing for someone like me to talk of it when I have never had my family members murdered for doing nothing but live where they have lived for generations. For me the conversation about setting aside anger has the luxury of being theoretical. It is something else entirely when you are being asked to set aside anger when you are face to face with the murderer of your sister or brother. Not that it isn’t still the best thing to do, but in saying that I need to recognize that I really have no concept of what anger is or how deep it can burn.
Perhaps that is the point Mohammed was trying to make when he asked if Dog was Irish or American. I believe there is a big difference even between having family members effected by violence and being in the middle of it yourself.
Peace to you my brother. Did your celebrations of your Prophet’s (PBUH) Birthday go well?
Peace to you my brother. Our celebrations went very well. You and your family were remembered in prayer at a worship service and feast with 45 friends and family.
I have heard news of exciting things in your life from Gor. Congratulations and blessings to you!
Yes that is the point I was making. It is difficult to put my finger on any particular sentence and say “here” but it read to me as a deeply held theory by somebody of goodwill rather than as being written by somebodsy who knew what he was talking about from experience.
I do have experience of negotiations with people I hate as you know, this article read false, in the sense of lack of experience to me.
Yes God has seen fit to shower me with blessings :-)
Abu Dubhaltach is well he used to Christian holiday time to get some work done which he is pleased about.