AP. updated 8:02 a.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 13, 2009
BAGHDAD – A female suicide bomber attacked a tent filled with women and children resting from a pilgrimage to a Shiite holy city south of Baghdad on Friday, killing 40 people and injuring 60 others, said officials. It was the deadliest attack in Iraq this year and the third straight day of bombings against Shiite pilgrims.
The tent where the bomber detonated her explosives was located on a route to Karbala, where hundreds of thousands of Shiite pilgrims will converge for an important religious ceremony on Monday, said a police official. He spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.
I know the Middle East bloggers at FDL go on and on attacking Israel, and the United States at every opportunity on their policies and actions, but there is a deafening silence when it comes to actions of the other side or Arab/Muslim violence against their own people – over 1000 people were killed and thousands more wounded by suicide bombers in Iraq in 2008 – the vast majority killed were innocent civilians -Arabs/moslems targeting and intentionally murdering fellow Arabs/moslems. Where is the Arab world outrage at this, where are the marches throughout European capitals protesting this culture of death and suicide bombing, where is the discussion of it here?
Now is the chance to discuss, and not to somehow twist and turn it into another rant against Israel, or the US. I don’t know if that can be resisted here at FDL, but it would be interesting to discuss Arab violence against fellow Arabs – whether it is Hamas in Gaza rounding up or killing rival Fatah members or moslems in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan or elsewhere attacking fellow moslems .





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Most all of the suicide bombers are Palestinian prisoners held in horrible Israeli prisons and hypnotized or tortured ino acted as agents of the Mossad in this gigantic conspiratorial campaign to defame others.
Reliable sources have secret information showing that it will go on and on until Jonathan Pollard is released.
Secret and unpublished UN Resolutions prove that Israelis are causing Iranians to become morose and hirsute.
https://isbndb.com/d/book/judicial_errors_in_lunacy.html
Other false-flag operatives have, for deades, been sneaking into factories around the world and taking pictures of propriatary operations using special cameras that uplink with US spy satellites that are controlled by IDF sympathizers.
The resulting information is used so that underground installations in the Negev can spin out special tennis netting that, at night, inches into the west side of courts.
http://sayanghosh.blogspot.com…..blood.html
They have much to answer forehand.
If you don’t understand why people in America are upset with Israel, I suspect it’s because you’re not fully conversant with America these days.
Thank you for your wise and thoughtful comments about this serious issue and the death of thousands of innocent moslems at the hands of other moslems. I figured no one would want to discuss this seriously because it is not of any interest unless one can attack Israel or the United States.
I saw that you you wrote your thoughts about the issue in the form of an attack on the integrity of the people that you said that you were hoping to engage.
If you want wise and serious, that’s possible a poor opening.
In continuation of my defense of the nonserious, I waited until I was certain that no one wished to offer discusssion before startinfg the foolery.
Then, rather than leaving you lonely, I left you parodies of the sort of the stuff that IS sometimes on offer here and about which you rail.
The fact is that neither you, or anyone else here is interested in discussing Islamic terror against fellow moslems. Civilian casualties in the middle east mean nothing unless it can be combined or a side bar to rants against Israel or the United States.
It does prove a point about the double standard and bias on this site but aside from that it is an issue that should be discussed. It is something that has become so commonplace that we seem to accept it as the norm. The other question is why the more moderate Arab world has not done more to speak out against this whole culture and glorification of suicide attacks and the ideology of islamic martyrdom and which you well know has effected us all and has spread to many parts of the world.
The fact is that I, and the United States, have taken a definite stand on terror. You might have missed it.
See if you can find any mention, in the last half-dozen years, of troop movement from the US into Afghanistan. See if you can find any mention of our previous president of a phrase ending with ” _ _ on terror”.
See if you can find anything about missile strikes on terrorists in Pakistan or Yemen.
You might also note that the US has sent Israel one , maybe two, shekels worth of military supplies.
If you want to read a blogger on FDL who has decried terrorist attacks in Iraq, try Attackerman.
I did miss it. What is your view on the ideology of Islamic martyrdom and how the Arab world has dealt with it ?
I draw a minor distinction between martyrdom and suicide as attempted murder. Just a tiny one.
and how do you feel the Arab/Islamic world has addressed this issue ?
I’ve noted, as has Attackerman, that when the victims of the attacks are islamic, it’s tended to cause a certain disenchantment.
Well, my fuzzy green ball batting friend, how divergent are our views?
I dont fully understand your view – it is somewhat vague
Perhaps you should state your view and I’ll use that to compare.
I personally don’t think the Arab/Islamic media and Ara/Islamic leaders – both religious and political – have done nearly enough in countering or condemning the martyrdom ideology. Some have continued to encourage it, some have been more or less silent about it, and yes some have indeed condemned it but not nearly in strong enough terms . It is still being promoted and glorified by religious leaders in mosques in Saudi Arabia, in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, by elements within Palestinian groups etc – and this extremely influential on the masses. If the influential religious leaders in the mosques would unequivocally speak out against it, I believe it would be of great help. Comments..
Check and see if support amongst the Saudi clergy hasn’t fallen off sharply. That’s the way it seems to me.
In the Pakistani media there are increasing reports of clerical condemnation.
The Iranians regime remains as barbaric as ever, and will so remain until changed.
As for unequivocal condemnation, you shouldn’t expect it. As long as war-like conditions remain, suicide bombings directed against armed combatants will continue to be contemplated as long as there is not access to sophisticated armament.
Care to display your view on the demise of the Sayyam family?
So, I guess that Dozens Killed as Israeli blast targets women, kids is your blind spot.
but it is rarely used against armed combatants, it is usually against civilian targets per the opening article
It is funny how a discussion about Islamic fundamentalists killing other innocent fellow moslems gets turned back to a discussion about Israel – I guess the answer to my question in the opening article is a resounding NO..well done !
Are you referring to the Hamas terror leader who was killed along with some of his family in a missile strike ?
Israel does not intentionally aim for and target women and children like their enemy does
But why have you turned this into another debate on Israel ? Are you afraid that by discussing Moslems killing Moslems in Iraq and Afghanistan you are betraying the anti-Israel cause ?
21-It being used against civilian targets actually has had not much clerical blessing, and is having less and less.
22-23-24 I asked about Sayyam because I thought the origainal topis was exhausted and that the targeting of Sayyam was related in that he was an ardent supporter of suicide bombing of women and children
In order to kill this obnoxious prick the Israeli government was willing to kill his wives and children. If I remember correctly, they used more than enough explosives on his house to insure than any and everyone inside would certainly be dead.
Has anything I’ve said indicated that I represent “the anti-Israel cause”?
No longer true.