Last week Selise, Hugh and I watched the 3 1/2 long Geithner hearing until the bitter end, waiting for him to say something of substance and perplexed that he would be dispatched during a time of economic crisis to deliver such a muddled message. Now we know why — there was no plan.
Geithner contradicted himself so many times it was hard to keep track. First he said that they would create a market for toxic assets through a mixture of public and private funds which would set their value, and that this would occur after the banks themselves had been stress tested. But then he said that stress tests couldn’t be done without valuing the assets first, but both could technically be done at the same time. Then he said that stress testing had already begun. Later in the week administration sources were leaking to Ambinder that this was part of some three dimensional chess game where the stress tests would indicate to Congress that the banks who failed needed to be nationalized because otherwise Congress wouldn’t have the political appetite for it, but since Geithner had asserted that the Fed did not need to go to Congress for the $2.5 trillion they would use to bail the banks out but could simply spend the money they deemed necessary, everyone was left scratching their heads about how this all added up.
Geithner indicated that his goal was to "stabilize the core of our financial system," but the new chair of the SEC, Mary Schapiro, says that there are no plans to look into the conflicts of interest running through the US ratings agencies. Having issuers of securities paying the people who are rating their creditworthiness is one of the fundamental causes of the current crisis, and it’s hard to imagine that it will be possible to have any kind of stability or true market confidence until it’s addressed.
Then of course there is the "garbage in, garbage out" activity of the current stress tests themselves.
Krugman says that it’s hard to imagine that things would have gone so badly if the usual Larry Summers suspects hadn’t been talking to themselves, and there actually had been a "team of rivals" that included people such as himself, Roubini, Stiglitz, etc. — where different ideas and perspectives were entertained. As someone who was arguing at the time that the President should be able to choose his own advisors, I also recognized the merit of the arguments put forward by those who said the risk of having no progressives on the Economic team could mean that just these kinds of mistakes could happen.
I think we’re safely in "the best and the brightest" territory, in the true sense that Halberstrom meant it.





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How long do you figure it will take Obama to realize that his economic team is a bust and he needs to regroup? He’s fond of Lincoln comparisons, perhaps he should look at Lincoln’s problems with his military leadership as a guide.
the link to naked capitalism’s post on the stress tests is a little long, but imo a must read. it begins:
i’m still trying to figure out what geithner means by the term “transparency” – because i’m pretty sure it’s not what i thought it mean.
Jane/all did you ever see or read the program Amy Goodman had on about
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..le_and_don
Pulitzer Winners Jim Steele and Don Barlett: Geithner Tax Troubles Far More Egregious Than Daschle’s
Despite problems with unpaid taxes, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was confirmed last week, but Tom Daschle, President Obama’s nominee for Health and Human Services, had to withdraw his nomination for his own tax lapses. We speak to the Pulitzer-winning reporting team Jim Steele and Don Barlett on the breakdown of America’s tax system—and why they say Geithner’s lapses were far more egregious than Daschle’s. [includes rush transcript]
Jane check this out..you may all ready know about this but
http://www.antiwar.com/
Rep. Walter B. Jones is tired of seeing our troops sent into battle under false pretenses, tired of endless wars fought for reasons that shift with the tides of public opinion, tired of writing letters of consolation to grieving families. And so he’s doing something about it: Rep. Jones has just introduced the Executive Accountability Act of 2009 (HR 743), which would make it a federal crime for any employee of the executive branch to lie when making the case for war – a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a substantial fine.
Good post and the ref to Naked Capitalism is recommended. Even Josh Marhsall is now wondering why there are no alternative voices on the Obama economic team who ’saw this coming’.
BUT parse this exact quote from Obama: “When do we start applying these stress tests to the banks; opening up their books; making sure that everybody knows for sure exactly what’s going on in there; structuring plans to attract private capital to help deal with some of these weaker institutions. Some of the smaller institutions that don’t pose systemic risks, if it turns out that they’re in really, really bad shape, then we may have to reevaluate how we approach some of those institutions.”
Note the implied exemption for those institutions ‘that don’t pose systemic risks’, meaning those institutions previously called ‘too big to fail’, the EXACT institutions that caused the whole damn mess.
I think there needs to be a realization amongst those that voted for Obama that the need to ‘hold his feet to the fire’ is in dire need of occurring NOW. As one person related to News Dissector “I don’t quite agree with the central thesis: that Obama is a radical reformer but is gingerly appealing to the “center” because he feels he has to.
I think he IS a centrist… by which I mean, appealing to the center of the elites, not the people. He’s always been more of a corporate/banking schmoozer than a true radical reformer. That’s what he is; that’s all he’s ever known in his adult life. Most of the radical/progressive activists who worked with him as a community organizer and Illinois official have been disappointed with him. His answer has always been to get promoted and personally enrich himself. Well, there’s no where to go from here.
There really is no other way to explain his failure to follow through with holding the banks’ feet to the fire; his selection of Geithner; his continued deference to Treasury for all things economic (that is, all things important right now) such as scrapping the independent Car Czar idea. He is OUTSOURCING the presidency!
As for opposition… he doesn’t need the Republican support now; they’re the minority. He can fire recalcitrant generals. But… hanging out in Iraq longer and a “surge” in Afghanistan were *his* ideas. I don’t think there’s truly that much enmity between them.
And remember most of Obama’s “community organizing” was actually raising and disbursing funds from the government and corporate patrons. That doesn’t exactly breed one to be hostile to those entrenched interests.”
I’ve been looking deeply into the banksters in recent days. Take your pick, it’s ALL criminal.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/author/7251
Obama knew very well who he appointed to his economic team, who they represented, and what they’ve done. What I wonder is how long it will take liberals to figure out they were hoodwinked.
ot Jane/all
More on the Accountability act… by Justin Raimando
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=14252
Hold Them Accountable
Pass the Executive Accountability Act of 2009
by Justin Raimondo
I don’t, as a rule, endorse legislation: being a libertarian and all, my faith in the ability of government action to have any beneficial effect is exactly nil. However, in the case of the Executive Accountability Act of 2009 [.pdf], I’m making an exception. This is because, unlike most if not all legislation that seeks to regulate or otherwise shape the behavior of ordinary people, the Executive Accountability Act regulates the behavior of government officials, namely POTUS and his underlings – and exacts severe penalties in case of violation.
This guy is not a brainchild and was up to his neck in the problems he is being looked at to fix. I can’t believe this country they put all their faith in the wrong people and wonder why things get worse. The economists lIke Allen Greenspan people raved over like he was God. The rest of the economists thought things were fine and our ecomomy and our banks and markets could do no wrong. Now we are asking them how to solve the problems they missed. We would be better off letting Homer Simpson run the Government and our economy than what we have got doing it.
They American people need to take the loses because they voted in the people in Congress and they raved over the economists professors and so called magnates of the banks and wall street that told us what was going on made us the greatest nation in the world and they believed it.
Petrocelli asked recently if the stock market going down on the day Geithner gave his testimony was a vote of no confidence. I didn’t think so because it was still around 7,900 and it was only one day. Well, a few more days have gone by and the Dow closed at 7,552 today. And while there may be some bargain hunting tomorrow as I said to Petro at the time 7,500 is more where I would expect a vote of no confidence to be. I think this is what we are now seeing.
While our own media don’t mention it or only in passing, world reaction has been, as we have been saying here, that the stimulus is too small.
Then to cap everything off, we have Geithner’s non-plan. Anything that made Paulson’s 3 pager look substantial and detailed couldn’t end well. And now we learn this was an alternate to another plan that was even more unworkable.
What can I say? We are entering depression. We need clear thinking and decisive action, and we are being treated to a clown act. Not good.
I am curious. What if, after all the splitting-up, repackaging, selling, reselling, resplitting, rerepackaging, … what if the original paper work, the original note written by the mortgage broker and signed by the buyer for a particular house … what if that original note can’t be found? Can the institutions foreclosing on these homes actually produce the original paperwork? Could many of these “toxic” assets be toxic because the original note is gone? Is that part of the reason there’s so much difficulty in getting anybody or anything to buy up these toxic burdens? Without the note…..what?
I’m not a financial wizard nor an economist. Just one of the commoners along for the ride.
No one that I trust (Paul Krugman for example) has yet to claim that we’ve hit bottom.
The Banksters are still high-fiving and trading tequila shots in the First Class cabin, but us folks back in the cattle car section have been frantically screaming and saying last prayers for quite a while now.
And the plane is on autopilot.
from william black (link above) while discussing what examinations entail:
I think some kind of legislation would be needed to bridge what is now a very dicey and questionable gap.
any suggestions? my imagination is failing me.
Just something to establish criteria to determine ownership since the initial loan would be reworked the original terms become less important. I think there would be still some people who might litigate and win but mostly what we need is something that would cover most of the mortgages most of the time.
thanks.
Look. Geithner is a Federal Reserve guy…Hellooooo!!!!!….
Scroll down…check out Griffin’s talk and do the math:
http://www.bigeye.com/griffin.htm
A simple game of three card monty.
It’s just that there’s $266 billion under each of the three shells.
“Later in the week administration sources were leaking to Ambinder that this was part of some three dimensional chess game where the stress tests would indicate to Congress that the banks who failed needed to be nationalized because otherwise Congress wouldn’t have the political appetite for it, but since Geithner had asserted that the Fed did not need to go to Congress for the $2.5 trillion they would use to bail the banks out but could simply spend the money they deemed necessary, everyone was left scratching their heads about how this all added up.”
It is all a pyramid…that is the 3-dimensional chess game….
There is no money there, there, there, there, or even there.
That is why it doesn’t add up.
Emailed with an acquaintance who I worked with in 1998 to figure out what the LTCM thingy was all about. She agrees that the major banks are bankrupt and that the “stress test” is yet another opaque way of hiding that fact as long as possible.
How do I find Obama’s financialcrisis.gov page? Or is it called banksgonebad.gov?
Anyway I can’t find it. I want to submit some suggestions.
The players in this game all know there is no there, there…that is what the entire freakout is all over the world…it used to be that an electronic transfer “said” there was there, there…but when the bottom rung of the pyramid of the global economy dried up..there was no mo’ money….so the “rich” freaked..the royal families…as reported in the hearing with Markopolos….freaked out…there is no mo’ money there, there.
That is the problem, that is why there is no “credit”, which translates into money that is not really there anyway, but that you owe interest on.
There’s the rub of the corruption.
It’s at imtryingtofoolthetaxpayers.gov.
from the hill: Obama shifts from stimulus to housing
Recovery.gov…I think.
Wait ’til everyone gets it that they’ve been mugged…not by the rescue/recovery…but by the deeds that have caused it to need to be implemented.
http://www.recovery.gov/
?
I think the majority would be willing to cut Obama some slack with regard to the mistakes he has made in surrounding himself with advisers that are only looking out for their interests and not the American peoples interest. But the flash point is getting closer and closer. Tomorrow may well prove to be pivotal. The MSM has already stated that Obama is going to give “details” on how to address the forclosure mess and I sincerely hope he isn’t going to defer to Geithner again.
But there is an even greater risk that we are facing and that is from our friends over in china who now hold even more of our debt than Japan. china has already made it known that their patience for a resolution is waring thin. If they decide to call our debt, it’s checkmate and the unthinkable ala Iceland could be in store with incredible ramifications.
I believe this is why people like Lindsey Graham and now John McCain are getting on the Roubini bandwagon of nationalization. Keynes was wrong in believing that one could push on a string. If you live in a society that depends on others purchasing your debt, yet that debt has ever decreasing value such as the 700 trillion in derivatives that JP Morgan alone sits on, you then find yourself in the unenviable position of having others call the shots.
Obama is running out of time to rearrange the deck chairs when it comes to his advisors. It’s not too late to put that call into Roubini, Stiglitz, Taleb and Roghoff. Do you really want to be a one term wonder Mr. President?
Cronyism prevails… political/corporate class group think. Obama is beholding to the corporate daddies. What is a citizenry to do?
Why isn’t Krugman, Rubin, Sheila Barr (spell?) on the team?
Who thinks the best idea is to have the people who BROKE the system fix it? Why are they the first to be trusted and turned to?
Deregulators, every one. Capitalist gamesman. Why would the common good be front and center to them now? Why is accountability a “duh” overlook after giving out heaps of money to more system-breakers. What an upside down, surreal, ethically bankrupt Alice in Wonderland world.
Their first suggestion was that they would sprinkle pixie dust on the banks and the ones that turned blue were OK and the ones that became a kind of roiling purple weren’t but someone sneezed and scattered all the pixie dust so they had to go with the much less believable stress tests.
There is a long list of nice orthodox economists who could stand in place of Stiglitz/Roubini/Krugman/Galbraith. Those four are probably considered ‘unsound’ in the old British civil service sense of the word. They didn’t act like human linear trend line extrapolators when it was fashionable to do just that, or they are too blunt, or didn’t front for the CW when in positions of authority, or are considered too ‘lefty’ -even though in many ways they have been very orthodox centrists most of their careers.
There are other economists who either called it right, or recognized their own forecasts had gone bad early in the crisis and admitted it. Robert Shiller, and James Hamilton are two names that come to mind, even though I very seriously disagree with some of what they say. Alan Blinder is another -he even thought the original TARP was worth a try (though with much more transparency and wanted some security for the taxpayer up front) So Blinder should be OK.
Hamilton is unsound because he is an econometrician, and he is quite stingy, though super effective and high bang for the buck in his fiscal stimulus advice.
I read Josh Marshall saying that he felt ‘little’ in calling some ‘winners’ and other ‘losers’ in the financial bust forecasting sweepstakes, and categorizing people. And he has a point in being careful about that -if you can do much better than a coin flip, you are a genius in economic forecasting.
My guess is that Krugman is batting a little over 60% in crisis calling correctness, so he deserves his Nobel Memorial Prize.
But seems to me that it is the administration econ brainteam who are categorizing people as ins or outs, and who gets a say and who doesen’t.
So, what is wrong with Blinder? He was actually semi-onboard for the TARP. Maybe he is ferocious on institutional and regulatory reform. I doubt he would be easy with letting the rating agency issue slide.
The entire irrational scheme depended on confidence and blind faith. Now that both are gone, we’re in for a helluva shakeup. We need solutions that haven’t even been imagined yet. This requires a quantum leap in human evolution.
And BTW, how the hell are we going to communicate with each other when there is no internet? A statewide ISP here in New Mexico has just gone belly-up and thousands of customers have less than 10 days to get signed up elsewhere, if service is even available.
It CAN happen here, because it is, already.
China has problems of its own. There is an old saying that goes: If you owe someone some money they’re a creditor and if you owe them a lot of money, they’re a partner. China’s a partner.
No, I want one site devoted to the financial panic. I want a financialbailout.gov site, with pages for TARP, the ‘ring fence’, the stress test. I want to be able to go to Stresstest.gov and find out who is doing it how they are doing it, and see the reports.
Recovery.gov is for suckers. I want a special bailout.gov.
You nailed it.
Smoke signals?
So those of us here at fdl who were right more than 60% of the time, indeed most of the time, we’re out because we’re DFHs I suppose. So I guess the idea to be acceptable is to be wrong some of the time but not so much that you screw things up as much as the current crew of economic advisers.
The inies are fighting the outies. Obama doesn’t know enough to referee. The inies will win. Simple as that.
I’d hate to wake up and find out that someone just discovered we could have avoided all this had we converted to the metric system 30 years ago.
I’m in Central TX, if my server thingy goes belly-up, I’m back to the….90’s…
I survived in the 90’s and all the years before in my life with no internet, but the idea that these small companies can go belly-up, which is my only source of internet communication, leaves….what…activism…physical activism…satellite TV…and if that goes belly-up…????
Smoke signals.
Revolution.
We tried that, and missed Mars.
No the UK uses metric and they’re screwed too.
” We need solutions that haven’t even been imagined yet.” I wonder? Maybe those solutions were actually given to us when the founders created the country. The original concept has been so bastardized with the creation of the Fed that it might be time to go back to the founding of the country. Whatever the great minds come up with, they better make their move and pray.
A partner with great leverage.
they are unsound because they are independent thinkers. iow, because they do not submit to the authority of CW.
personally, i’d want all of them in room arguing it out. i don’t think one sane person is enough. they don’t all agree on the nature or magnitude of the crisis. and they don’t all agree on the specifics of what should be done and how (although there does seem to be broad general agreement, at least as far as i can tell so far).
so, yeah, i want all of them and more.
Community. Community bartering. Community food. Better start getting along with the neighbors and examining resources..
you saying we’re getting played for suckers?
yeah, i think so too
Give it time if we are right the economy will get worse then either we get our people in or there will be a GOP president in 4 years.
If the IMF called us out (as myabe they would if we did not pay most of their bills), and we started to look so sorry that the Worldbank was called in to help us clean up the corruption and develop our institutions, two French economists would be calling the shots.
Oliver Blanchard is the one at the World Bank. He is very strict, and very ’sound’. And I think he would be more on the Roubini/Stiglitz/Krugman side. I will try to find out.
That would produce an interesting response here, politically. I can see the Newsweek special article now. Worse than gong ’socialist’ we are being dictated to by people with French names.
Me too.
Where will the food come from?
Where will the power come from?
Why the F is Monsanto allowed to exist in the world!!!???
My pet peeve….Monsanto.
Another reason why the inies will win: it’s Summers’ last chance. He’s been shown to be a failure when he was fired from Harvard. This is his last chance. He’ll fight to the bitter end, and as Obama doesn’t know any better, Summers will win.
The IMF will never call out the U.S. You are dreaming.
I would want them and some really good technical people.
There was a Frontline tonight on PBS about the meltdown. I heard the guy who put it together last night on Charlie Rose. It lays out the timeline but there were questions that it really didn’t address.
As for example: Why didn’t Paulson act sooner? Well, he’s this conservative, you see.
Why didn’t he look into the consequences of letting Lehman fail? He had bailout fatigue.
It really glosses over a lot.
World: Solve the Monsanto crisis. Can we have a bill that bans the patenting of natural elements??? Can we have a bill that bans a vicious company from robbing the world based on legal BS.
Can we just plant frikkin’ food!???
so admitting up front i probably don’t know what i’m talking about….
if i had to manage a project where my tech advisors were completely at odds with each other and i didn’t know enough to judge between the two groups, i wouldn’t try to find a compromise because that would probably be a plan that would fail if either of the two groups was right. i’d try to find a synthesis – something that could work in either possibility. the advantage, in addition to trying to find some way forward that would you know work, is that it can diffuse some of the antagonism because there is no longer a battle of ideas that must first be won.
but that, if it were even possible, would take bringing in some outies and making them a part of the team also.
For a rich dude…he sure was nervous.
Wonder why?
summers must have an axe to grind – to prove he wasn’t wrong in ’90s.
Yes, I know the IMF will not institute heavy manners on us. And that could be a dream or nightmare, depending on how much they have moved away from their rigid Washington Consensus approach. And I keep track of their research department far more than I do their official policy department -those have been two very different products in the past.
It’s a fight to the death. The inies will never give in because that makes a failure of their entire lives.
My former colleague, who knows what’s what, can’t find a job. I counselled her tonight that it’s because she is right and the powers-that-be weren’t, means that hiring her would admit they were wrong. And she, unlike Krugman and Stiglitz, doesn’t even have a Nobel Prize.
re yer 9 – I’ve noticed recently that the hourly 5 min headlines on NPR during the day are not giving the current market quotations at the end as they have for years. If mentioned they’re part of the news.
dya think
Interesting that the IMF research dept differs from the powers. Not that I’m surprised.
Olivier Blanchard is the chief economist at the IMF. His academic career since the 70s has been in this country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Blanchard
Dominique Strauss-Kahn is the IMF’s managing director.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D…..rauss-Kahn
zzzzzzzzz *g*
Banks are not lending thats the problem but does anyone know if the payday loan companies are lending and why they are able to lend?
I don’t think it’s an axe to grind. I think he really believes his failed economic theories are not failed economic theories. Conservatives say they lost this or that because they weren’t conservative enough. Summers believes, as a good Friedmaniac, that he hasn’t carried through on Friedman’s theories.
even with the glossing, were either worth listening to?
I would just like to point out that there a huge point here that Jane has made:
Geithner, Larry Summers and the “usual suspects” = a big part of the “Team of Rivals” to me, and they’re inadequate to the situation today.
Beyond that, here’s the thing about the Lincoln Cabinet. First Doris Goodwin is a proven plagiarist, so to start with, I don’t know why in the hell Obama or anybody else is reading this book. Why Goodwin’s been redeemed is beyond me. And in fact, there was tons o’ trouble with the Lincoln Cabinet if you look to Carl Sandburg’s “Lincoln.” Too many lawyers and Lincoln couldn’t get the generals to actually fight for the longest time. And oh by the way, that’s where Chase Bank got it’s start; by Salmon P. Chase in Lincoln’s cabinet. Bottom line to me, this whole team of rivals thing is at least not useful, and bordering on dumb, particularly in this banking realm. Ditch The Conservative Bitches, Please.
pw up at the mothership
Phoenix Woman is upstairs at the Mothership!
Revisionist History
I think Oliver Blanchard would be more Roubstigmanathian than current economic advisors. Below are some extracts from his most recent summary of the crisis, referenced at the end of this comment:
“These [toxic asset] purchases are however half of what needs to be done. Once the value of the assets is clearer, some institutions may turn out to be insolvent, and thus should be closed. Most are likely to show positive, but too low, capitalization and thus must be recapitalized. This can be done through public funds only or through matching of public and private funds, in exchange for shares.”
—
“Thus, a major task of regulators will be to monitor, and, if needed, to react to increases in systemic risk.”
—
“We do not know, for example, the distribution of CDS positions among investors and countries. This is one of the rea-sons why many advocate moving trading from over the counter to a centralized exchange; this would allow, in particular, for better collec- tion of information.”
[My ed. note: all trading of mortgage backed derviatives, and swaps on a formal regulated exchang is Blinder’s dream, which he says will never happen]
The Crisis: Basic Mechanisms, and Appropriate Policies
Olivier J. Blanchard
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/pa…..id=1324280
I heard Strauss-Kahn recently on Charlie Rose. He was going along with Summers and Geithner pretty much even though he also semi admitted he wasn’t sure they would be successful. Sort of professional CYA there.
Because of their grossly distended profitability?
i’m sorry to hear that. good luck to her.
Thank you.
yes. even worse.
monsanto is on my axis of evil
Volume of customers. Day labourers, legal and illegal, folks with problems with the IRS, folks who don’t believe in banks, etc. A percentage of every check cashed and the fees for other services. Free money orders. They invest in the folks who walk through the doors. It feeds itself.
So?
Now that the ‘faith’ of the true-believers has been revealed as mere ceremonial claptrap, how long a ‘time’ have we, were any form of sanity to magically appear in our midst, to keep things from nose-diving into the ground?
How many would say months?
What about weeks?
As so many of you have been saying for weeks or even months, “Those Who Must Be Obeyed” have insisted on closing the door on economists not in the ‘club’, being unwilling to even hear, let alone entertain, anything that was not pre-approved rigamarole. It would seem we have to ride this baby in.
Looks like we’re going to ‘buy the farm’, after having been sold a ‘risk’ that is certain to fail, as James Galbraith had the courage to say; we, effectively, ‘own’ it.
Now, ‘we’ didn’t break it, but those who did have already gotten their golden parachutes and many of them will certainly ‘bail’ for their personal soft landings.
But the rest of us are going to see the disaster, up close, and very personal.
The world is going to come crashing down around our ears, financially.
In every other sense, the world will still be the same. We will still be here. Birds will still sing, the sun will still appear to rise in the east, and water will still flow down hill.
What is the true nature of ‘reality’?
Is it the games (economics, warfare and so forth) that we play?
Or is it something else?
We have a couple of weeks to think about it …
There’s a lot of shock and awe for everyone. We’re getting a glimpse – actually much more – of our very intricate economy and its environment, you know, more or less the whole picture (as they used to say), like for the first time. Stunning and frightening.
I think Monsanto is the most dangerous firm in the world right now.
I took the Frontline as a kind of primer on the crisis. It didn’t say anything that we haven’t discussed here and in greater detail.
The thing I thought was interesting in the Charlie Rose interview with the producer or director was that he said that Paulson had laid out $350 billion and Geithner now was talking about another $2 trillion. But as far as I know Geithner was getting his trillions from the Fed (to avoid Congressional authorization) and the guy completely missed the trillions Bernanke has already pumped into this mess. It seemed a serious lacuna in his knowledge.
So super risky payday loans make money? I assume that a few of the big banks are backing these guys. The fees make it worth it?
Response to ThingsGetUndone
Dream on! No matter what happens with Obama I wouldn’t bank on a Republican getting in. You better clean up the bunch You have in Congress to show the people You have something to offer other than NO.
Another option is to bring in the tech equivalent of Paul Volcker, and let him referee.
That Obama is not doing so with the original article is a worrying sign to me.
On the lost-note issue for foreclosure, the much-missed Tanta wrote about it in several posts, including this one from last year. A quote:
Greenspan, Bernanke, Geithner.
Ohhhh…Puleeeeeeze.
Do not believe anything you hear about the Federal Reserve as being an entity that will “save” the world.
Congress, which supposedly represents the “We the People”, has no right to get information from them, who they are comprised of, and/or how they operate…
Doesn’t that worry the F out of you?????? Geeez. Wake up America.
All they do is “issue” certificates that say that the People/taxpayers owe them “money” or a “value” if “they” “print: (which “they” don’t) “money”.
“They” the Feds make money off of the taxpayers (of which they are too)…for “Money”, that doesn’t exist and is “issued” as an IOU of interest. The Fed makes interest on “money” that they never had, but that they got the taxpayers to agree to pay.
We need to get all over them.
iremember 54
Not my dream my nightmare
Another…the greatest Ponzi scheme of all time..that they are trying to hang on Madoff BTW, but they are the greatest Ponzi scheme of all time and can lead to the fall of the American empire.
The miracle of very high interest rates. If they’re high enough then you don’t even need the miracle of compound interest, which you don’t get because the loan time is so short.
Thanks for that too.
I think he is way too optimistic if he thinks only some of the banks are underwater. As for an exchange for trading derivatives, I can only see this if the exchange does not pick up any of the counter-party risk.
Why not pay the Execs in toxic loans?
Yeah, otherwise they’d be out of business. The fees aren’t that hard to take, all things considered, and they make a lot of money. Outside of the usurious interest on the loans the percentage they get from cashing a check times the volume of checks cashed nets a tidy sum. I’m not sure of the limit on loans but it’s small, I think not larger than a paycheck. I don’t think the losses hurt them very much.
“Clearly, there was a global financial coup d’etat underway.
The magnitude of what was happening was overwhelming. In the 1990’s, millions of people in Russia had woken up to find their bank accounts and pension funds simply gone – eradicated by a falling currency or stolen by mobsters who laundered money back into big New York Fed member banks for reinvestment to fuel the debt bubble.
Reports of politicians, government officials, academics, and intelligence agencies facilitating the racketeering and theft were compelling. One lawyer in Russia, living without electricity and growing food to prevent starvation, was quoted as saying, “We are being de-modernized.”
http://solari.com/blog/?p=2058
it happened other places,it’s happening right here right now
thanks. i’ll give rose a listen if i have it recorded.
Re Volcker, it would have to be an equivalent. He’s 81. He put together recently his advisory panel but again no liberal or progessive economists. There were a couple of union leaders and everyone else was from the corporate and financial worlds.
i read that volker post at naked capitalism – was especially interested in the glass-steagall aspect, as a coda to the deregulation efforts that finally succeeded during the clinton administration. not surprised about him being marginalized, although i was thinking it was summers’ doing and not obama’s. is that your impression?
re tanta’s total war. thanks i had missed those – or even more likely not paid attention to them at the time. as always she make sense…
In the Navy on every ship there’s at least one guy who has a bankroll and loans money to his shipmates. It’s called a slush fund. 5 for 7. 10 for 14. 20 for 28. 40%. Per 2-week pay period. Borrow 20 on the 21st and don’t pay it back on the 30th you owe 36 on the 15th of the next month.
Blinder gave a lecture on his ideas for regulatory reform. If memory serves, he wants an international agency with power to regulate and sanction, and exchanges under their control, and international clearing house for all positions on all exchanges. I am not an expert in this stuff, but it sounded like he wanted a pretty stringent international regulatory system.
And also some other reforms that slip my mind right now.
He said himself at the lecture, he didn’t think it could ever happen due to opposition from interest groups.
I think I have that lecture URL saved someplace and will look for it.
In feudal societies, ’squeeze’ becomes the means of actual survival, because ‘wages’ or ‘allotments’ are deliberately low.
Therefore the more ‘enterprising’ find more and better means of ’skimming’ or extorting just that little bit ‘extra’, which, for the most-clever, allows them to ‘leverage’ themselves into ever more ‘lucrative’ or ‘rewarding’ positions.
Usually, ’self-help’ organizations develop where people pool resources of many different kinds, be it foodstuffs or other necessities. As time goes on, ‘capital’ is accumulated sufficient to loan or ‘underwrite’ certain endeavors or ‘activities’.
These ‘fraternal’ organizations, eventually, gain ‘power’ by a number of means.
The infamous triads of China are examples. The various guilds once seen in Europe are another.
The triads of China were critically important in the final overthrowing of the Manchu dynasty and gave rise to both the Nationalists AND the Chinese Communist Party.
In Europe, the guilds were effectively neutered by the Enclosure movements which appropriated the Commons for the exclusive use of the moneyed classes …
There’s a Volcker-groupie thing out there in the world, which seems closely related to the Ron Paulites but I’m not sure about that. I’m not really part of that. I just thought from the time that Obama announced he was on the team, that his role was to be referee. He is a well-trained and well-informed person who sat out the last ten years policy-wise and therefore has no stake in providing particular solutions that cause him to be seen as “wrong” or “right” in what has happened to date. To me at 81 it doesn’t make sense to expect him to run any new policies himself.
Wow! Where have you been hiding? Maybe if there were a few more million of us we might get somewhere?
Jane:
On the tube tonite, you did good, girl. Very, very good for the Progressive cause — and (forgive me) you looked good too — sort of like an Ann Coulter with curves.
One thing you can clarify for me though:
In your web piece tonite on the economy and Geithner and all the eco voices that are echoing around Obama’s very receptive ears, you sounded rather worried.
“I think we’re safely in ‘the best and the brightest’ territory, in the true sense that Halberstam meant it,” you wrote.
I take it that you too mean that picking all these much-credentialed advisors may prove to be a disaster. Hope not.
Am I reading you right because frankly I’m of two minds on the subject.
The economy is not like foreign affairs where I think that farming out individual troublespots to tough and seasoned negotiators (literally The Best And The Brightest) makes a lot of sense so long as Clinton does the assigning and Obama-Biden does the final de-briefing.
As for the economy, what more could progressive sous-chefs add to the sauce?
— From Warren Berry $$$$
so, jane,
what are the buzzwords that cause you to censor my comments?
what don’t you want your audience to hear?
it is OK if i relate the realities of GM & DELPHI, but it is not OK if i relate the realities of barack obombya. and his decision to augment the invasion of afghanistan. and his decision to employ bushits in his cabinet.
in light of your censorious attitude, perhaps you would be so kind as to instruct us as to your standards of censorship. i have never used a dirty word. never engaged in ad hominem attacks.
but i have criticised this new fascist bastid president. and oddly enough, reviewing your posts, we seem to be on the same page.
so why are my comments concerning this new regime expunged?
I had a similar assessment, Hugh. But its still scary stuff, and we’re not out of the woods yet. The Frontline website for this mess has more than they could cover in the show, I believe. There’s an open page for discussion, an Analysis page with 7 of the program’s featured “themes”, including an interview with Chris Dodd, who’s calling it “the economic equivalent of 9/11,” as well as the full interview with Paul Krugman, and that’s just the “Terrifying Days, Astonishing Moments” theme.
We need our inhouse crew to go over this stuff. The economic equivalent of 9/11, indeed!
Bob in HI
I saw the show, too, and had a similar reaction. It might serve well to study the Frontline website on the show. There’s a lot more there, such as an interview with Chris Dodd that calls the meltdown “The Economic equivalent of 9/11.”
We’re not out of the woods yet, and Geithner doesn’t really seem to have a plan– at least, not one he’s willing to announce.
This is BIG.
Bob in HI
Here’s my take on the latest ponzi scheme of Sir Allen Stanford (whom I’ve met).
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3731
I read that Geithner’s father worked with Obama’s mother in indonesia. I found that to be very odd. Has Obama been “groomed” for this role a long time ago? http://www.worldreports.org/news. It appears we are getting a glimpse at who really runs this country. Apparently it isn’t our government. They seem to be taking marching orders from someone higher.