Liz Warren is a dangerous woman, because she’s willing to say what others only imply or are in denial about: we may have to break up those institutions "too big to fail."
On MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Show Tuesday night, Warren was asked about the implication of having financial institutions like A.I.G. and CitiGroup "too big to fail" when we can’t figure out how to save the financial system working through them. Should we prevent them becoming that large? Her response was unambiguous:
It not only makes sense; it’s absolutely essential. . . . We cannot be in a position where the American taxpayer is essentially the implicit insurer for anyone who gets big and complicated and can’t be regulated. That just can’t be how we run our economy.
If we do, then the taxpayer is hostage to every large institution in America.
That answer has been hiding in plain sight ever since the bailouts of Wall Street began last Fall, but few if any senior officials have been willing to say it straight out. But now the logic is penetrating into the public’s growing anger about the bailouts, and it’s hard to see how the Administration or Congress can avoid it.
That answer brings much needed clarity to the debates about whether and how to deal with toxic assets, and systemic risks, and whether/how to nationalize/take over/pre-privatize the zombie banks. If our solutions aren’t working to create a more manageable and less risky set of financial institutions, then what are we doing? Why are we giving unmanageable and dangerous institutions another bailout?
Warren is not alone; she’s just more explicit. Bernanke’s speech Tuesday acknowledged that federal regulators do not have sufficient means for regulating financial derivatives, don’t have the means to take over mega-financial institution or regulate the far-flung activities of an A.I.G.
These are the activities that AIG warned were so pervasive that AIG’s failure would jeopardize not merely banks and other counterparties to credit default swaps, but the entire insurance system, the funding of municipal entities [and their transit systems] and so on — all the functions we were told last fall were not at risk. Now AIG’s leaked presentation says it’s all at risk.
Simon Johnson at the econ blog, The Baseline Scenario, draws the right conclusions:
Perhaps the financial situation – e.g., in and around derivatives – really is too complex for anyone to understand, unless they have the inside knowledge of regulators. This would mean, of course, that going forward no one can question Treasury about anything important. But that, in turn, makes congressional oversight impossible – even if we move to closed door hearings.
And it raises the question: if our financial system has become so economically complex that President Obama is right, then is it also too complex to be politically sustainable?
Big financial players now know they have a colossal potential put or bailout option. They can also construct interconnected structures that no one can understand, except possibly the Treasury. So every 10-20 years (or more often?) we will experience a crisis of current proportions?
There is a growing consensus that large banks should be broken up; no more “too big to fail”. But the President’s implied point about economic/political complexity suggests that derivatives – for all their obvious potential benefits – are too dangerous to be allowed at anything like their current scale. Who will be willing down the road to let Treasury, without outside comment or oversight, repeatedly provide massive amounts of resources to financial system insiders?
Derivatives have the potential to create a rent-seeking structure that is unparalleled in human history. No society can afford to allow that kind of financial system to operate. Either we figure out how to make it much more transparent – and amenable to outside review – or the re-regulation process currently in the hands of Senator Dodd and Congressman Frank needs to consider more radical alternatives.
It’s time to think anew about what Treasury is trying to accomplish . . . or we need a lot better explanation than we’ve gotten so far.





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Rec’d – thanks Scarecrow
To tell you the truth, Scarecrow, I think a lot of us ordinary folks have been saying this for some time. I’m reasonably sure that you could find economists, and maybe even bankers, who said the same thing. What didn’t happen was that these folks got to say these things on television. The industry put too much money into advertising to let that happen very often.
I used to cringe every time there was another merger between U.S. banks that were bigger than many countries. The question of what would happen if one of them ever failed seemed inevitable.
Digg entry is now open.
i first heard it from bernie sanders almost 6 months ago:
senate floor statement – youtube
democracy now! – transcript
i think that was when it took off here among commenters. since then i’ve noticed a lot of people say it. mason, for example, made a good statement when he testified before the jec recently.
Thanks for links.
that whole TARP wall street bailout / taxpayer sell out was so depressing. but bernie sanders was great, even if he was the ONLY senator who should not be forever embarrassed by what they did (sanders was the only voice i heard when his amendment was permitted a voice vote). for a while after that, i would give sanders’ senate floor statement another listen just to cheer myself up.
And while people are thinking/talking about the Treasury, the FED needs to be the same subject of examination. The FED has ALREADY ‘pumped’ more into the financial system than the Treasury has and for/to whom?
(Last question is rhetorical for those who have been following this taxpayer funded bailout of the financial system *G*)
Trying to get Senator Sanders to come on for a chat.
Rec’d.
that would be so fabulous. although, and this i’m sure will seem entirely out of character for me, i’d have to work really hard not overdo the embarrassing genuflecting, etc.
big, big fan of the good senator here.
Dugg.
Warren on Maddow. KO was right.
I’m with selise … get Bernie on so’s we can tell him how many fans he has in Canuckistan.
“May have to break up these institutions”?????
I would frankly say that “too big to fail” is too big to exist. The continued existence of our economy and financial system is ultimately dependent on breaking up these leviathans and preventing any others from ever getting this big again.
Excellent! “‘Too big to fail’ is too big to exist.”
Nice timing, FDL. Warren is being replayed right now.
Gietner now on Charlie Rose for the hour. So far, more propaganda.
I sense the puckering of many assholes on Wall Street when Ms. Warren speaks, eh?
thanks turning on my tv now…
Dugg
suzie somebody is on my pbs station instead of rose and geithner. says i should clean my car and closets. tv back off.
pledge drive being aired on my pbs station
Pledge week.
and for the anti-statement, here is greenspan in 1987:
i think that may have gotten him reagan’s nomination for fed chair.
thanks suz and scarecrow.
i’ll try the alternative pbs station (wgbx 44) tomorrow
Craemer of CNBC really picked the wrong guy to mess with. Jon Stewart is continuing his amazing job of puncturing the bubble that was Craemer’s gig. Do not miss.
I have to agree with others that we have been talking about breaking up financial institutions that are too big to fail for some time. It would be a logical part of a restructuring under nationalization and a re-imposition of Glass-Steagall.
As for derivatives, the reason that the CFTC doesn’t have the power to oversee derivatives is because it was taken away by the Congress in the CFMA in 2000. There are several things the Congress could do. It could put derivatives back under the authority of the CFTC. It could outlaw naked CDSs. It could treat CDSs as insurance under insurance regulation. It could require that derivatives be traded on exchanges and require that the exchanges acting as counterparties prove they had the capitalization to back their action. It could reform and restructure the ratings agencies. It could force banks to take out warrants on any mortgages they passed on for securitization. There are a zillion things that could be done with new legislation.
More fundamentally though, it is important to realize that the SEC, the CFTC, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the FDIC, the Treasury, and the Fed have enormous powers as we have seen when they want to use them. So when Bernanke says gosh I don’t have the power to do that, I would take what he is saying with a couple pailfulls of salt.
Elizabeth Warren is a consummate professional, exactly what is needed right now. I’m guessing there are a few principals in this disaster – on Capitol Hill and in the banking world – who will end up embarrassed (at least) before her work is finished. She was also on Fresh Air yesterday…more in depth interview. Here’s the link:
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..=101611260
Sounds like Warren is channeling Teddy Roosevelt and the trustbusters…
Oh, that would be great, Jane!
To reiterate my straw man, seems like the U.S. needs a vastly simpler financial industry to be both efficient and robust wrt bubbles and crashes. Not that anyone is paying attention to this possibility.
Wow, it makes sense that nailed his nomination by Reagan. Good call.
I’m with Cujo @2: a lot of us have been saying these were too unmanageable institutions for months now, going back to early last fall. And anyone reading masaccio’s Oxdown Diaries understood that the derivatives are dangerous to the whole economic system.
we used to talk about who we would like to see head some of those organization. naomi klein suggested stiglitz for treasury, i think you suggested greenberger for SEC. maybe born would come out of retirement for a couple of years back at the CFTC?
in addition to some new regulation, it would be nice to have regulators who believe in, um, regulating.
Somebody needs to. The unfortunate reality is that capitalism inevitably trends toward monopoly or at least oligopoly. We either have to bite the bullet and admitted that capitalism is a (serially) failed system or institute strong and enduring controls to protect ourselves from its worst excesses. Personally I opt for the former course, but I realize that is politically untenable in today’s world.
Exactly!
Resend personhood status of Corporations…… if it can’t have a colonscopy then it isn’t a person…… so the corporation does not get the same rights as a person….
Go back to where corporations have a limited lifetime……..
that’s an awfully radical thought. Certainly that hasn’t been in the program for at least the last 15 years, maybe longer.
Too big to fail means too big to work. How does one begin to break it up like they did the baby Bells back in the day? And yes, I know that the babies have merged themselves together again—that kind of illustrates the problem, yet again.
brain bleach needed.
That seems in keeping with the view of banking as a public utility. I don’t have a problem with that.
didn’t want to ask this during the guest threads, but is there any reason not to allow some financial innovation if it is kept separate entirely from commercial banking (a la glass steagall etc) and incentivized properly?
Not to be a spoiler but the arrogance of Cramer & his ilk is skewered so easily by Stewart & Colbert, it’s a wonder they haven’t all been canned.
She misses the point. If banking is essential to our economy, and cannot be permitted to fail, then it’s a Government Function.
I’d hate for that to become the legal definition of a person. ;) The idea that a corporation is a person should be rescinded, though.
See mine at 32.
The trick is to put (and keep) in place laws and regulations which prevent reunification. What happened with the baby bells reflects the efforts of the Republicans to undo all the protections put in place the last two time capitalism catastrophically failed.
Splitting up the Citi Groups and BoAs really isn’t as complicated as it seems. Most of them are hybrid conglomerates which combine a number of disparate functions. Simply break them up into their functional component groups to begin with. Some segments may still be to large, so those get broken into regional units (like the baby bells).
I thought Suzanne had that automatic brain bleach system installed……. go push the red button…
Given our modern corporate media, it is actually a wonder that they haven’t been promoted.
I personally don’t see a problem with allowing some financial innovation. However, it must be kept strictly segregated from other activities, it must be heavily regulated and those who engage in such practices must be made to understand that if they want to roll the dice, they’re on their own. If things go sideways…oh well…
Who would can them? They are owned by GE who is quite happy with their pumping up the bubble and doing it on steroids.
Easy target indeed. An easy target for people not nearly as talented as S&C, but get the masters of the Comedy Central Universe on them and it is just amazing. Do catch it if you have the chance.
True nuff !
tis next to the power station – the red button – press twice for double strength
Nor do I. I’ve mentioned the idea before in comments. It really does need to be regulated to that degree. This is at least the fifth time we’ve had this sort of thing hit in our history, and I don’t think we should chance another one.
I’m completely open to financial innovation that is pro-economic growth. Can’t think of an example of such right now.
In the late 1970s, when inflation was high and rigidly controlled interest rates on deposits were low, there was a strong case to be made for removing ceilings on savings deposits, and thus Carter started to do so. WRT far more sophisticated financial engineering that has subsequently occurred, I fail to find evidence that it had helped the economy perform better.
Watching Stewart carve up Cramer was music to my eyes and ears…
I kind of like it. Has the advantage of also shafting the fundie forced-birthers.
Thanks, I’m watching TDS right now …
i actually think the initial motivator for really big banks may have been at least in part geopolitical and / or desire to insure that the usa banks were the biggest.
from the nyt, 1987:
The Republicans dispensed with anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws decades ago. Mr. Bush demonstrated that when, in effect, he dropped the case against Microsoft. The markets effectively self-regulate, don’tcha’know. Hardly.
Among the many things George Bush’s disastrous tenure made clear is that markets do not effectively self-regulate. Why would they? Malthus’ infamous invisible hand depends on each player ravenously pursuing his own self-interest. It is only the net effect of doing that that, in theory, somehow produces a dynamic equilibrium beneficial to all.
In biology, the ruinous shorthand termed “survival of the fittest” means that a few individuals, relatively and locally more well-adapted than others, survive and reproduce, while most perish. (That last part often gets left out.)
In economics, the analogy of the “invisible hand” means that you can eat all the chocolate cake you want without getting fat, or so Republicans and lottery consultants would tell you. It really means that repetitive boom and bust will yield a few wealthy individuals while most lay in ruins. (In an amoral unpeopled rain forest, that’s interesting; in a peopled society that aspires to hold moral values, that’s abominable.)
John D. Rockefeller monopolized the oil industry starting in the 1870’s, to smooth out those booms and busts, but only in the interest of promoting his own wealth and power. Just as we have today, that led to a few private hands holding enormous power. Those hands revealed nothing and owed nothing to the commonwealth. The resulting decades of abuse produced an exhausted citizenry that finally said, “No!”, fed by muckrakers like Ida Tarbell and Upton Sinclair, and actualized by Trust Busters like Teddy Roosevelt.
Even after TR broke up Rockefeller’s Standard Oil in 1911, each part was still the among the largest companies in existence. And that was before the First World War, the development of the Middle East’s oil, and the rise of machines dependent on the internal combustion engine.
Elites in America tried for decades to undo TR’s work and have largely succeeded in trashing both his regulation of monopolies and his national parks. (They are still trying to undo FDR’s work.) Now that the lessons of history have been buried, history is repeating itself. Will we ever make untrue the maxim that the only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from it?
Take deposits, make loans. Period.
Most of those financial innovations are simply schemes to allow the insiders and pros to game the system and stick to the rubes. Keep it simple and transparent.
The Daily Show With Jon Stewart Humiliates CNBC (Oxdown diary) is now open for Digging
The chutzpah of JoeScar, Crammer (sic) and their ilk to attempt to take on Jon … they should ask the hosts of Crossfire how that turns out.
the incentives were not designed with social good in mind.
economics is not my gig, but incentives i sometimes have a clue about
Just goes to show you how stupid these guys really are. Challenge Jon Stewart and expect to get away with it? Like showing up with a pea shooter at a machine gun fight.
There’s a clip floating around of Cramer on Today. Split screen of him and Stewart. The smirk quickly fades when he sees Stewart roll tape. Priceless.
poor wittle Alan the Maestro Greenspin is teh sad
The Fed Didn’t Cause the Housing Bubble
Any new regulations should help direct savings toward productive investments.
*
By ALAN GREENSPAN
We are in the midst of a global crisis that will unquestionably rank as the most virulent since the 1930s. It will eventually subside and pass into history. But how the interacting and reinforcing causes and effects of this severe contraction are interpreted will shape the reconfiguration of our currently disabled global financial system.
[Commentary] Chad Crowe
There are at least two broad and competing explanations of the origins of this crisis. The first is that the “easy money” policies of the Federal Reserve produced the U.S. housing bubble that is at the core of today’s financial mess
* from the odious WSJ opinion page
American bankers are the equivalent of the French aristocracy in 1789.
O/T … Chuck Norris turned 69 today … I wonder how old his Hair is … any guesses ?
2 or 3 days, tops.
Chutzpah is all they have. Neither one could find his own ass with both hands, a road map, and a guide.
Wouldn’t it be great if some civil lawsuits could be launched against Cramer & CNBC ?
The rationale for financial engineering is that it promotes economic growth. I’m happy to challenge the thesis on its results.
I’d certainly enjoy it. And who knows? Lawsuits have been contrived out of weirder stuff.
LOL … the best part was Mika’s face as JoeScar dispense his usual (lack of) wisdom …
Yep.
my dear departed dad,used to say the same things of the medical centers,they can be too big to give good care
oh VOMIT…and howzabout HIS WHALEBONE TEETH……………..YUUUUUUUCK
actually, i’m pretty sure that “survival of the fittest” refers only to a reproductive advantage.
and wasn’t the phrase used by darwin himself? don’t know why it should be “ruinous shorthand” any more than “natural selection.”
if any evolutionary biologists are present, i hope they will weigh in.
Point taken.
I wonder if Chuck knows he shares a birthday with Osama Bin Laden? That would probably blow his wig right off his head…
Nope. Darwin never used that phrase. It was coined by Herbert Spencer, a social evolutionist and notorious racist. Intended to justify elite privilege and colonialism.
meek MIKKA is very in love with Killer Joe……….extremely more in love with her own visage…….golly…she is ALWAYS posing
Not to disparage your father, but the financial system is much more embedded marcroeconomically than the medical industy. Yes, there are terrible micro results when large med corps fail to deliver good medicine, but those pale in comparison to the macro influence of bad financial corps.
i have posted here they deserve the same treatment…..
That potted history in #55 ignores the mess that FDR inherited from another round of unregulated economic excess during the 1920’s. FDR responded with stimulus spending. He enacted social legislation, such as the then novel Social Security. He also created entire federal bureaucracies to regulate bidness, most notably, banking legislation, and the SEC and securities and securities trading legislation. Republicans and the landed gentry have been as irate about that as about Social Security. Phil Gramm’s anti-regulatory crusade, which led to undoing much of FDR’s work, is the most recent incarnation of an old line.
Mr. Obama is more moderate than FDR, but he’s inherited at least as big a mess. He has a less helpful Congress divided between a coalition of disparate Democrats and a fully obstructionist GOP. The tasks before him are as novel as his own presidency. Our lives depend on how well he rises to the challenge.
separated at birth?
Prolly cause he’s the only person that makes her appear semi- normal, by comparison
Agreed.
i think he was spot on ,he was an expert in hospital admin…and we ran biggest med lab in Fl…that is why 70,000 peeps die peryear from mistakes in hospital
mods nolikee my modest proposals
my hypothesis would be more along the lines that financial innovation might produce growth or it might produce disaster or any number of other things. that it would depend, among other things, on the incentive structures – but i haven’t thought out any, so if it proved too difficult i’d have give it up.
our regulations appear to have been created by people who don’t believe that incentives affect behavior among the elite (they seem to believe it just fine when it comes to us peons).
LOL!! Clearly.
talk about 2empty vessels..and top of the evening to ya
Your correct, just watch any of the wildlife shows. It is one Bull Elk or Lion that fights to keep or loose their harem. It is the survival of the fittest where the strongest gets to sire the next crop of offspring. In lions if a new one takes over the pride he kills off any newborns so that all further cubs are his.
Hey DrDick,
MrCE says Darwin used the term “natural selection.” We have a Darwin collection here in Cleveland.
Capitalism has been on life support for over a century. Teddy’s reforms kept it going until 1929 and then FDR’s innovations kept it limping along until Reagan and the economic Visigoths began their regime of looting and pillaging. God knows whether Obama can repair the damage once again. For my money, it is time to scrap it entirely and embrace socialism.
When I started tracking down where the underlying math comes from in those credit derivative formulas, it didn’t take me long to end up reading a bit about Navier-Stokes equations.
Very few of us work with these enough to be able to visualize or understand how these function, and they come from fields related to engineering and measuring (and predicting) how liquids flow.
To get a sense of the weirdness involved, check out Wikipedia’s entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N….._equations
So basically, we’re not really sure we understand these equations, nor how they actually function. Oh, and they involve phase changes, which is kind of like being water one instant and steam the next. What a great basis for an economic model, eh?
To better get some kind of idea WHAT these might ‘look like’, here are two youtubes — the first shows how magnetic (iron) fluids change, and it’s actually very, very beautiful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
Here’s one example of how unpredictable and weird things are in the world of Navier-Stokes (15 seconds): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
Mine either.
Evenin’ sadlyyes !
Colbert is on Steroids tonight …
Keep in mind, Sen Sanders appears on the first hour of Thom Hartmann’s show every Friday.
is this wrong? (i’m more confident of the biology than the history – but willing to be corrected on both. thanks!)
more like vlad the impalerz
Yep. I read both The Origin of Species and The Descent of Man many years ago. More to the point, I teach the history of anthropology course, which covers both biological evolutionary theories and social evolutionary theories.
I have no prior opinion of financial innovation, or rather I probably have a favorable one. My current hypothesis stems from the lack of evidence that FI has helped the economy and the plethora of evidence that FI has hurt the economy.
i love them both! its a twofer
These quacks will use any excuse to make a buck, eh? (Even if they, them selves don’t (or can’t understand it))
That discussion is probably OT. The shorthand is ruinous because it is quickly taken out of context and abused by the ignorant and ill-intentioned. They apply it where it, and the similar twisted phrase, Social Darwinism, which is neither social nor Darwinian, in situations where it doesn’t apply. That is, to social settings where human choice and morality are meant to apply.
The limits and nuance of Darwin’s explanations are lost, and his terms are used to justify economic oppression by the ruthlessly selfish. That originally happened in the First Gilded Age, the age of Carnegie and Rockefeller. I expect it to resurface any day, now that we’re in our Second Gilded Age.
hey girl howzit goin?
i cannot watch those programs anymore,makes me cry….
I guess he did use it in that case, but did not normally use the phrase in framing the nature of evolution. Spencer is the one who is always quoted (where people bother to attribute it) and who popularized the phrase.
ah, but if i only saw the sky at night (fucked up incentives)i would say it is always black. i just want to collect some data when the sun is up (alternative incentives) before interpreting the evidence.
What is this edit choice? I didn’t know what to do? Thanks for your answer. Case Western Reserve University has a Darwin class every year where students get to handle letters and original editions of Darwin’s publications. They get pretty excited!
True. Darwinian fitness applies only to differential reproductive success under a specific set of environmental conditions. Has nothing to do with bigger, smarter, faster, stronger, prettier, etc. and is a temporary condition. When conditions change, fitness changes. Polar bears were superbly adapted to a world of permanent sea ice. They are severely maladapted to a world of global warming 8-(.
That kind of thing really is pretty cool. I know I got a thrill when I got to handle the Popol Vuh (only copy in existence of the holy book of the Quiche Maya).
really sad magnificent animals
if ya wanna see uncle Alan whine
http://online.wsj.com/article/…..89281.html
Unlike Republicans and Wall Street bankers who have earned extinction.
Well, the more bullshit you dish out, the more you get paid on Wall Street, eh?
But I defy anyone clicking on either of those youtubes to be able to **predict** how those ‘flows’ are going to turn out. But they do give a sense that we’d probably be better off asking Japanese engineers working on magnetic fluids what they think the stock markets will do.
Because at least they’re more experienced in confronting the unstable and unpredictable.
All of this strongly suggests that Congress is completely out of its depth on the topic of CDOs and what happened with AIG. Honestly, a engineer working on heat-exchange problems has more insight.
Makes life wonderful!
i think it’s a misunderstanding of what natural selection is. imo, it is trying to put the language of evolution onto the mental framework of religion. which implies a moral judgement to natural selection – it is “good.” and if natural selection is good… well, that leads to all kind of mischief as you describe.
if more people actually understood natural selection, i think that mistake would be harder to make.
just my 2 cents.
i was thinking the other day when did it really spin out of control,when did profits kill progress?
He certainly did, having labored long over his choice of words. As part of the Darwin celebration this year (200th birthday, 150 years since the publication of Origin) the Darwin Project has released new images of his notes and journals.
My original point was that, like David Brooks generally, the ruthlessly selfish appropriate words and ideas that have entered the popular imagination and misuse them to make their accumulation of wealth (and the social costs that entails) seem driven by natural processes, immutable to regulation or legislation or the aspirations of social do-gooders.
It’s nothing of the kind. This is a street fight over resources and the process for dividing them. Has been since the first campfire. But when you appoint the priests, the legislators, the pundits, you set the rules about legitimate debate as well as substance. Republicans teach that at boot camp. Democrats sometimes never learn it.
snake oil
buy low ,sell high
Started in the late 70s with Carl Icahn, T. Boone Pickens, and the rest of the corporate raiders and their so-called “share holders’ revolt.”
This is a street fight over resources and the process for dividing them.
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yup it also brings out racism and religious wars
a brutally ugly picture of where it brought us
good night all. sorry to be such a pain in the ass re natural selection / survival of the fittest. but i think it’s worth trying to get it right.
I know nothing.
Even Adam Smith recognized that the interests of capital and society are not the same and frequently at odds. Said outright that society had an obligation to institute such laws and regulations as necessary to protect itself.
ga,nite!
Night, Selise. No problems on natural selection.
my dad who taught at Oxford and was board certified in 5 specialties,always said that too
The more I learn, the less I know.
When I was a girl, a senior curator said to me “the more I learn, the less I know.” Now old myself, I think that this is true.
Returned from Oregon last evening…… it was a very nice (long) drive home, almost completely clear weather…….. this time we broke it up in 3 days, visited a former co-worker from two previous jobs in the bay area…….. exchanged cancer treatment stories as her husband has Hodgekins disease with a stem cell transplant and chemo.
My father retired US Forest Service wildlife biologist and spent a lot of out of school time riding shotgun while he worked…….
OMG, DrDick, did you just see that we posted the same words at the same time?
Words for academics to live by.
The GOP thinks Rush Limbaugh is too big to fail too.
-G
Heh, heh.
Time for me to head out. More young minds to corrupt in the morning. My work is never done it would seem.
Nite DrDick!
Like two players hitting their fairway woods at the same time and watching their balls hit each other in mid-air. In golf, that’s a penalty; here, its mahvelus.
Night Doc.
-G
he always said that too….i forgot who said,the human brain is already way too big for our puny bodies???? b
nitey nite
i did not know that ….see perfect illustration
Beautifully said!
brain size
http://www.abc.net.au/science/…..inupgrade/
Hardly.
I’m like the the eighteen year-old who was convinced his parents and advisers knew nothing. He would show the world. He went out and did. At 21, he returned to visit his parents and advisers and was shocked, shocked to discover how much they’d learn in three years.
Navier Stokes equations are really cool, have been subject of active study for a long time. I studied them in grad school back in 1984 in an applied math course. When I returned to grad school in 1990 I did system administration work for one of the leading experts on Navier Stokes, Roger Temam. For the most part the research was in using numerical methods to find solutions to specific instances of the equations.
Financial Derivatives use a Gaussian Copula function. There’s a good write up in Wired about their misuse.
his drugs do his talking,ive known others just like him
morpheus calls ,niteall
Leave Rush alone!
-G
Understood. And so my children tell me, adults that they are now.
BTW from that leaked AIG report, this says it all:
Translation: We poured $150 billion into a financial blackhole.
Now I am reading a little more into this AIG document. It is reading like a blackmail note. Unconditional help for AIG or we take out the economy. Thing is that some of what they are saying is untrue and most of it could be mitigated even if parts of AIG were allowed to fail.
AIG appears to have issued or backed security after security with NO underlying capital. All highly rated, I imagine, and nothing to back them up except that somehow, somewhere, they’ve become like US currency – backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. The most massive fraud in American history, it makes Bush’s brutal warfare seem almost tame.
Congress cannot pass laws to make past behavior illegal. It can make future behavior illegal. It can ban individuals from serving on boards and from doing business with the United States – a privilege and not a right.
It seems to me that average Americans had better get busy encouraging the administration and Congress, to force them, to impose consequences on people who have stolen so many futures in order to ensure their own.
It’s a Don AIGorleone offer that the Treasury Dept can’t refuse.
Treasury’s approach to keeping AIG afloat is completely backward & upside down
I love Sanders for his clear-thinking on most topics. I was very disappointed to find that he believes the OCT regarding 9-11, with 19 hijackers with boxcutters. I immediately discount whatever he has to say, or at least look at it with skepticism because he is a complete rube to believe 9-11 occurred as the Bush thugs said it did.
Global Control of Finance
The US has caused two great crashes in 70 years, and clearly cannot be trusted to regulate financial markets. It’s not Europe which wants control of its internal financial industry; the non-US Rest of the World will impose control on the global financial industry including the inept US regulatory system.
An second issue, not yet asked is: If Banking is essential, and must be supported by Government & Taxpayers, why is it private? Why is it not an essential Government function?
Either, the risk in Banking is to be taken by taxpayers, and the taxpayers should get the rewards, or, taxpayers would not have to take the risk.
In the US, these issues are heresy, as the question go against the “free market” (LAMO at the to-date $2 – $3 trillion taxpayer support for free markets), dogma in the US.
Ask yourself the question: Do you trust the US Government to regulate Wall St, when Wall St can buy any set of laws it wants?
Which pulls a thread and starts to unravel really difficult questions about the US Governmental system – is it hopelessly corrupt? Can it be reformed from within? Or, must it crash and be remade?
As Kipling wrote: The United States has an unlimited and meticulous legality; but of law abidingness, not a trace.
Oh please. I am SO enjoying that exchange.
above in response to this
“Craemer of CNBC really picked the wrong guy to mess with.”
I missed this conversation last night, but I would also like to add that we need to think beyond just financial institutions. I read the announcement yesterday about the merger of Merck and Schering-Plough. Do we really want to go down the path of mega-drug companies? What happens if one of them fails? Do we want to risk the health of millions, if a drug manufacturer goes belly-up? Will the taxpayer find themselves on the hook for a bailout again?
I think we need to look very carefully at mergers and acquisitions across the board and create industry-specific standards of how big is too big to fail. Then we need to ensure those lines are not crossed. If we really believe in capitalism, we need level playing fields with many diverse players or the system will fail over and over again.
Liz Warren and Sheila Bair on same page…break them up
Please don’t label thoughtful women as ‘dangerous.’ Weird things go on in some people’s minds. Thank you.
Hey, thank you!!
exactly, I cannot believe we allowed these concerns to grow not only beyond their means but beyond our means
how the HELL does bank of america get to buy up local banks and THEN fire the staff?
what the FRIG is up with THAT?