Reuters reports that this week Geithner is expected to provide the details of his Public Private Investment Fund, (PPIF) for removing toxic assets from banks’ books.
Yesterday, in the chat with Rob Johnson, I asked him his opinion of this plan, and here’s what he said:
I am not a fan of the current plan for public private investment partnership. It looks like Wall Street and hedge funds who are big campaign contributors get non recourse loans to bet on upside and hand the downside back to the taxpayer. The subsidy from the public pushes up the price that the private will pay banks, who want too much for the assets because marking them down makes them insolvent. This in some cases will make big investors like PIMCO, Carlyle, Blackstone and others some money and will not get to the heart of the problem. The only thing that could be said on the other side is that we already own the losses and maybe a few of the losses could be mitigated because the private guys put up some money. But if the prices are set too high instead of marking down the assets then it is not the case. Note people who specialize in distressed assets like John Paulson in the hedge fund world say there is an active market for all of these assets but they trade at prices the banks will not accept.
The Reuters link above has this tidbit:
The bad asset plan is expected to be structured similar to the Federal Reserve’s Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility (TALF), which is scheduled to launch this week to help unblock consumer lending markets.
The TALF enables banks to package credit card debt, car loans, etc. into securities and sell those securities to buyers (hedge funds, etc.) who will be be given below-market-interest-rate financing to purchase them. The financing is non-recourse (i.e if any of the securities they buy with the financing become impaired or default, they can merely hand back the security to the government instead of paying off the loan).
Initially, the banks selling the securities were to be bound by the TARP rules limiting employee compensation. The buyers would not be. I suppose that made sense; obviously, they want to get the securities markets going again for this type of debt, and don’t want to discourage buyers.
However, there was a last minute change. Now the banks selling the debt securities will also not be bound by the employee compensation limits.
Perhaps even this is somewhat defensible. The TALF is intended to get new lending started. You could argue that you would want to encourage healthy banks to participate in this program.
But I won’t be the least surprised if Timmeh’s PPIF turns our to share this feature with the TALF.
Last week, on Charlie Rose’s mostly powder-puff interview with Timmeh, Charlie asked what would happen if the banks still refused to sell the toxic assets at the prices that were offered via the PPIF. Timmy replied that they would make it "compelling" for the banks to sell.
I suppose you could interpret the word "compelling" in an ominous light, implying duress.
But maybe, just maybe, he intended it to mean exactly the opposite





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I’d like to make it “compelling” for Geithner to get another job. This is the greatest heist of all time.
Soooo, what do we do when all this blows up in their face? The banks are going to make their shareholders whole, enrich themselves and stick it to the rest of us.
Good Morning: I know this is slightly off-topic, but has anyone seen the latest yammering by Tucker “I’m not partisan” Carlson about the Stewart-Cramer thing? (Never mind that he obviously hasn’t the faintest idea what Stewart’s larger point was.) This little twit needs to be cut off at the knees. Again.
As for Geithner? Fire the sonofbitch! Today!
Why does the government just buy the debt? We already own the downside.
I can’T believe we have to bribe WallStreet Buyers and Bank Sellers to get better with no limits on compensation.
In this economy just where will will they go?
Next question is there anything we can do to stop it? Is there any political will to stop it?
They will do that but then the economy will get worse, banks will still go under not lend and the funny thing is the Rich as their money disappears will blame Tim.
By spoiling kids by indulging them you raise them to be ungrateful.
The name alone makes my skin crawl.
They should not be allowed anywhere near any more financial assets until the new financial regulatory system is put into effect.
The best thing to come out of Stewart’s thrashing of Cramer was the devastating footage of Cramer explaining how he and other hedge funds gamed the SEC, doing things that were blatantly criminal.
In addition, hedge funds were singularly responsible for $4/ gallon gas last year, yet they still haven’t been held to account for that, either.
Good grief.This site has a virus warning every time a come here. Clean it up.
Jon Steward did cost Tucker his job on “Crossfire”, Then Rachel took his show at MSNBC, now after everything he has said about bloggers Tucker is blogging.
The Fallen have an understandably why case of misplaced anger. After he calms down Tucker needs to look in the mirror and own his failure if he ever wants to rise up again.
My 5 should read
Why doesn’t the government just buy the debt?
sorry my 4
The weather is warming and so are tempers. After the AIG story broke in the NY Times last evening, my next door neighbor opened his window and yelled, I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore. The time is past to march on both Washington and Wall Street. I’m sick of hearing from government mouthpieces telling us to look forward while they continue to hope this problem will go away given the short attention span they think we have. To big to fail? Please, someone just puch AIG over a cliff already.
TCU, I agree. If we are going to end up with it anyway, why pay the middle man? Why even expect that it will “work out” any other way?
Yes, the AIG “contracts” on the bonuses. Take it to court. D’ya think there’s a jury would give ‘em the dough?
I donated money for this? Fix this virus.
having spent the morning pounding my head on the desk over Geitner Cluelessness/AIG bonuses, managed to lower the BP a little with this golden snark from a Digby commenter -
Until these people fear for their lives, they will continue destroying everything in the world.
It’s called Three Card Monte.
Illegal, last time I checked,
but as Charlie Chaplin said,
large numbers sanctify.
That’s a good one. “I bailed out AIG and I didn’t even get a lousy bumpersticker.”
Good Morning – just caught some “non-violent hippy” over at Digby’s place proposin’ just how to instill said fear :D
how ya doin’ gal, always fabulous to see you here
Point taken. I think Tucker’s ego/obtuseness is way too monumental to ever allow him to look at himself, at least not at this stage of the game, anyway. Maybe if he had been buggered by Madoff, etal he’d feel differently.
I’ve been getting that today, also. So it’s not just me, then?
Or at the very least, jailtime and all their assets. That would get their attention.
priceless!
Any idea how to wipe it out? I run McAfee and Ad-Aware. I also tried to run Housecall this morning, but…well…my grandma was slow but she was 90, if you hear what I’m saying…
Got a link?
Who is this woman with such an unpleasant voice? (NBC) I hope her ideas and wisdom make up for how difficult it is to listen to her opinions.
Middle man yeah who gets a cut that cut makes the buyout smaller.
The free market is not more efficient Bankers get bonuses, Banks
usewaste money in this economy on advertising.The banks still engage in speculation Morgan Stanley bough an oil tanker and had it just sit there hoping the price of oil would go up.
There is 80 million barrels of oil out there sitting in oil tankers hoping that the price of oil goes up.
I bet the banks gave the speculators leveraged loans to buy the oil tankers tell me what happens if the price of oil does not go up?
Will Obama and Tim Geithner have to bailout banks who gave speculators loans? Are these speculators getting $36 in credit for every $1 in assets?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01…..150970.htm
I had a big mess yesterday and a warning today…what’s up?
Hey sweetie, back at ya
I’m serious … we talk about pitchforks … well, it’s about time, no?
How much more of this blatant thievery and outrageousness shall we stand?
People do grow from tragedy well ok not the Bush family but yeah I agree mostly.
I do not know. I was hoping the collective mind might be able to solve it. In the meantime, if there are any site monitors watching, please have your tech guys get all over this. Very nasty stuff…
First thing we do is corner the market on pitchforks. Then we call for a pitchfork march on DC. Sort of a self-funding deal…
That is Romer – the head of the council of economic advisors
Beats me, if many folks are getting it it seems like it’s on the server side.
If the virus scans don’t work, then I recommmend WD-40, duct tape and the 12lb sledge. Always works for me…
Thanks…I really can hardly listen to her…shrill and a dismissive tone. I am trying to be more patient. Is it worth the struggle to hear what she says?
It would seem so. There are several people reporting it on this thread.
Again: If there are any site monitors watching, PLEASE REPORT THIS TO THE TECH PEOPLE AND THEN LET US KNOW WASSUP….
The stealth TARP is really out in the open looting of the government. It is difficult to convey just how stupid (and criminal) this idea is. This is a combined bailout of hedge funds and banks. The hedge funds will put up a few dollars (probably acquired through the still secret AIG payouts) with the Fed loaning them the rest. Then they will “buy” the crap assets of the banks with the government guaranteeing the deal so they can’t lose out. The banks will sell their crap for considerably more than it is worth (which has been the purpose behind all of these bailouts). Who knows it might even make them solvent. But they will still have the same criminal, corrupt, and incompetent people running them. All of the banks’ bad and fraudulent practices will have been validated. The banks will pay no price for them so wherever they can they will continue.
We will have pumped trillions into the worst performing parts of our economy. We will have created even bigger and more banks too big to fail. We will have reformed nothing. Then banks will continue not to re-engage in normal lending. Homeowners will still be largely twisting in the wind. The only thing we will get out of this is the trillions in debt that the banks and the hedge funds have run up.
I could not imagine a worst or more corrupt way to deal with this. The bankers and government officials like Paulson, Bernanke, Geithner, and Summers should be in jail. They are terrorists.
Cramer gets TDS treatment people applaud, Bernard Madoff goes to jail people applaud, I see a Pavlovian response being created here.
The next step is that people will want to applaud. Newt, Phil Gramm, Summers, Geithner they seem to be recreating the French Revolution.
Rick Santelli Tea Bag Party fake populism got nowhere like a back fire when the wind changes it has helped fuel the fire.
It reminds me of Marie Antoinette saying ” let them eat cake”
Newt always screamed class warfare even as he gave us the Shiv like we deserved it somehow.
I think he might just be helping create his greatest fear.
How people react in groups this era will
writebe the text book.The techs have been notified and are busy working on the problem, thanks!
and sorry for the annoyance.
thank you
Thanks much. And remember: WD-40 and the 12lb sledge. That’s the ticket.
I love how these “retention bonuses” are to keep the top talent from leaving to go to other companies. Uh, like whom? And really, are these people really all that talented if they’ve engaged in monstrous risk and sent their company into insolvency? Idiots throughout the financial industry who are just smart enough to steal as much money from everyone as possible.
One more thing: If it turns out that anything might have become embedded on the users’ machines, can you (maybe) propose a solution to strip the crap out?
Thanks again.
As for the AIG bonuses, isn’t it curious that the Treasury and Fed can do pretty much everything they want to do, take over AIG, force sales of companies like Bear Stearns or Merrill, get the FDIC to move on a bank, or force bank mergers, set up shady operations like the Maiden Lane entities, yet when it comes to something they don’t want to do, they always give us the same excuse: We don’t have the power or the authority to do that?
If they had just nationalized or sent AIG into a government backed bankruptcy, they could have wiped these bonuses and other compensation out in a heartbeat. They could still do it. Instead they say well we can’t do this under the present circumstances, i.e. the circumstances that they created. We are being played for fools, blatantly, day in and day out, and the reason we are is because people like Geithner, Summers, Bernanke, and the CEOs of these companies have been treating us this way for more than 10 years. Why would they stop now?
So do they mean the top talent that wrecked the company and are currently buggering the American taxpayers to fund the cost of rearranging the deck chairs? Oh…that top talent.
“But these bonuses are contractual.” Hey Mr. Jagoff AIG Exec. I realize this will be difficult for you to grasp, but try to keep up:
Since when has a contract you didn’t like ever been an impediment?
If Obama would just browse through some secret sigining statements I’m sure he could find the ones pretaining to imprisoning Bank CEOs and confiscating their assets.
i liked robert johnson’s reply to you the other day:
And did the contracts contemplate/intend that a bonus was to be paid with taxpayers’/government money? I see a defense somewhere in here…like not in the contact or impossibility to perform. Where are the lawyers? Like Obama?
fair trials!
Btw Hugh – you are always a shining light of plainspoken explanation. Thx.
i missed summers on tv this morning. did anyone hear what he had to say?
Yeah they think they deserve the bonus money. They think that they cannot be replaced…because their Moms said they were special.
And thats why they all rode the small school bus to Harvard with the other Legacy admissions.
Jane’s got hot news
Letter From AIG Chairman Ed Liddy to Timothy Geithner: We Have To Pay $100 Million Bonuses
George Will sucks but he said something funny
“Don’t play poker with people named Slim
Don’t buy a Rolex from someone who is out of breath
Don’t take financial advice from people who are shouting!”
ABC’s This Week roundtable of millionaire commentators agrees that Obama is being “diffuse” in bringing up issues like healthcare. What he needs to do is concentrate on bailing out the banks. Blah, blah, blah.
I don’t agree with Obama on how he is approaching most of the issues that are on the table but that his first and only priority should be to facilitate the looting of the government by the banking industry is a bit much even from them.
do you run spybot?
I’ve been waiting for the lawyers to weigh in I don’t think allot of what they have done is legal.
I think we need to see just what will happen if they are allowed to fail. If the cure is worse than the disease.
If Geithner won’t show me his cards and keeps trying to take the whole Pot I say we make him show us his cards.
The I can’t or investors will run from the banks and the banks will fail argument is false Citi went from over $55 a share to a $1.78 now.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:C
The investors have left and they are not coming back until they see the cards. The vultures though are circling they are waiting to buy the bad debt at cheap prices.
Tell me if the economy gets worse the debt Geithner wants to sell
will get worse right. Is Geithner trying to sell fake magic beans to rubes?
Very astute distinction.
I run McAfee and Ad-Aware, both current.
Yesterday a post claimed $50 trillion in toxic assests. A huge pile to swallow for the treaury four times our GNP. 16 times our federa; budget. Has anyone done a balance sheet with toxic assest cost in it?
These economic proffessionals have models they cab plug the numbers into. The private side has already run the numbers and are raring to go.
The government is not the banking system so why should it take the loss? Neocon philosophy…keep government broke and lower taxes for the wealthy.
If Obama allows this his agenda is toast…”Change you can believe in”
Forgive me for saying so, but how is it possible to “miss” Summers.
I had one here late night…it said you have a virus you are at risk must get this protection. I shut of the power immediately. They can cause repairs..I had to wipe my drive and reload all my files. Staples did it for a fair cost but is not the same now lost files and programs. Do not click on it.
Thank you. I had one this morning that looked reliable. Then I got a warning as well. What trash. Thanks.
This will fix it permanently
http://www.ubuntu.com
An investment fund presupposes a reasonable rate of return on assets worth investing in. This “fund” is a sinking fund to pay off knowingly bad debts. And it has no bottom.
Laughter should hit the rafters at the idea that Geithner is making investments rather than paying off the Vegas binge of a fraternity full of Shrub’s friends.
digg is open.
Thanks janushka.
This new proposal to give investors low interest loans to purchase toxic bank assets makes me sick. Most of these assets have an income stream in the form of loan payments. As long as the payments received exceed the amount of interest paid to the government, the (mostly hedge fund) buyers will retain the assets. If the assets decline, the buyer will simply return them to the taxpayer with no recourse.
With his choice of banking shysters to lead the bailout, Obama is looking more and more like the “Manchurian candidate.”
It’s really getting obvious that this is all hush money.
It’s going to have to get worse before the thieving is made to stop.
Suspecting some bad pop-up or re-direct coding in an ad.
Oxdown crashed the IE6 on my work computer non-stop last night, but works fine w/ Chrome (has better re-direct suppression).
Def’nitely get those naughty advertisers to clean up they act!
Maybe we should vote out S.O.B. in government who has been at it long enough to become corrupt.If you have more than one term served and you haven’t introduced legislation to end corruption you’re gone,out of a job just like the rest of us.But this is just idle dreaming because democrats and republicans only care about status quo.They don’t give a damn about America or the people that actually work and PAY taxes.