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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/4404/comment-page-1#comment-36705</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CasualObserver @ 27 - one good thing that could come out of them is information. yes, there’s lots more that we need but right now i’d love to see effective investigation so we’d have a better clue what is going on… and use that to think about what actions we want to take.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MichaelDG @ 28 - that’s a great link, thank you. do you know of any other examples of useful hearings? it seems to me we don’t have to reinvent the wheel here - just use what’s been used successfully in the past.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ImperialFlow @ 30 - thanks for the link to your diary. i will try to read and reply tomorrow, but i don’t think i’m going to have time to help much at least for a while. so sorry, it sounds awfully interesting (but i really do need to catch up on the reading i’ve already assigned myself first)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;readerOfTeaLeaves @ 31 - thanks for coming back. i made some phone calls and will make some more tomorrow. but i don’t think i’ve been able to convince many people here of the uselessness of the hearings as they are currently being held. well, other than the people who’ve been listening to a lot of the hearings. if i learn anything interesting from making the phone calls tomorrow, i’ll post something here (i think this thread will be open until tomorrow night).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CasualObserver @ 27 &#8211; one good thing that could come out of them is information. yes, there’s lots more that we need but right now i’d love to see effective investigation so we’d have a better clue what is going on… and use that to think about what actions we want to take.</p>
<p>MichaelDG @ 28 &#8211; that’s a great link, thank you. do you know of any other examples of useful hearings? it seems to me we don’t have to reinvent the wheel here &#8211; just use what’s been used successfully in the past.</p>
<p>ImperialFlow @ 30 &#8211; thanks for the link to your diary. i will try to read and reply tomorrow, but i don’t think i’m going to have time to help much at least for a while. so sorry, it sounds awfully interesting (but i really do need to catch up on the reading i’ve already assigned myself first)</p>
<p>readerOfTeaLeaves @ 31 &#8211; thanks for coming back. i made some phone calls and will make some more tomorrow. but i don’t think i’ve been able to convince many people here of the uselessness of the hearings as they are currently being held. well, other than the people who’ve been listening to a lot of the hearings. if i learn anything interesting from making the phone calls tomorrow, i’ll post something here (i think this thread will be open until tomorrow night).</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Selise, I think this topic is so important that I came back the following day for an update.  But I don’t see anything more here….?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll check again later to see what you’ve put up and hope for some kind of update.&lt;br /&gt;
I think you have a brilliant strategic point here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise, I think this topic is so important that I came back the following day for an update.  But I don’t see anything more here….?</p>
<p>I’ll check again later to see what you’ve put up and hope for some kind of update.<br />
I think you have a brilliant strategic point here.</p>
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		<title>By: ImperialFlow</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/4404/comment-page-1#comment-36615</link>
		<dc:creator>ImperialFlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve come of the conclusion that the more engaged and apparently well-meaning Reps need the capacity to crowd-source for details and follow-up while they’re in session for these hearings.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s just a wealth of vast knowledge and lighting research that can be, they just have no means to tap it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;selise,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was hoping you’d take a look at this &lt;a href=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4415&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4415&lt;/a&gt; and give some feedback, and perhaps have some interest in pursuing additional research with me.  Doing some crowd-sourcing myself :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve come of the conclusion that the more engaged and apparently well-meaning Reps need the capacity to crowd-source for details and follow-up while they’re in session for these hearings.</p>
<p>There’s just a wealth of vast knowledge and lighting research that can be, they just have no means to tap it.</p>
<p>selise,</p>
<p>I was hoping you’d take a look at this <a href="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4415" rel="nofollow">http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4415</a> and give some feedback, and perhaps have some interest in pursuing additional research with me.  Doing some crowd-sourcing myself :)</p>
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		<title>By: goldpearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldpearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;for some reason - i just don’t believe he’s going to donate his bonus.  (makes for sexy copy in the nytimes tho)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i do believe this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;how do those folks get tracked down so a big red $ sign can be painted on their clothes?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for some reason &#8211; i just don’t believe he’s going to donate his bonus.  (makes for sexy copy in the nytimes tho)</p>
<p>but i do believe this:</p>
<p>“I was in no way involved in — or responsible for — the credit default swap transactions that have hamstrung A.I.G. Nor were more than a handful of the 400 current employees of A.I.G.-F.P. Most of those responsible have left the company and have conspicuously escaped the public outrage.”</p>
<p>how do those folks get tracked down so a big red $ sign can be painted on their clothes?</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelDG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks selese. Yesterday wasn’t a “Hearing”!&lt;br /&gt;
Watergate was a hearing, as was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/03/opinion/more-serious-than-watergate.html?sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Oppositio&lt;/a&gt;n . This 5 or 7 minute or whatever, time limit has been one of my congressional pet peeves for as long as I can remember. It seems made for when you really don’t want to hold anybody actually responsible or even able to be responsive. If they really did want that, they could follow the Watergate or Iran-Contra model and it would be all over the networks, not just c-span3. They would have investigators and lawyers questions asked that would be answered or, by God, asked again until they were and absolutely no time constraints. That is, if they really wanted to get to the bottom of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks selese. Yesterday wasn’t a “Hearing”!<br />
Watergate was a hearing, as was the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/03/opinion/more-serious-than-watergate.html?sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=1" rel="nofollow">Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Oppositio</a>n . This 5 or 7 minute or whatever, time limit has been one of my congressional pet peeves for as long as I can remember. It seems made for when you really don’t want to hold anybody actually responsible or even able to be responsive. If they really did want that, they could follow the Watergate or Iran-Contra model and it would be all over the networks, not just c-span3. They would have investigators and lawyers questions asked that would be answered or, by God, asked again until they were and absolutely no time constraints. That is, if they really wanted to get to the bottom of it.</p>
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		<title>By: CasualObserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>CasualObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree, and would add that even the hearings in which the members finally do pin down illegality, these committees do nothing about it.  For two years and more now, we have had hearings.  I have yet to see any substantive action resulting from any of them.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So yes, the hearings are typically structured miserably and perform poorly.  But on top of that, these are only valuable (I’d argue) when they lead to some form of positive, corrective action.  And they just never seem to do that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, and would add that even the hearings in which the members finally do pin down illegality, these committees do nothing about it.  For two years and more now, we have had hearings.  I have yet to see any substantive action resulting from any of them.  </p>
<p>So yes, the hearings are typically structured miserably and perform poorly.  But on top of that, these are only valuable (I’d argue) when they lead to some form of positive, corrective action.  And they just never seem to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;committee contact info:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs&lt;br /&gt;
534 Dirksen Senate Office Building&lt;br /&gt;
Washington, D.C. 20510&lt;br /&gt;
P: (202) 224-7391&lt;br /&gt;
F: (202) 224-5137&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;House Financial Services Committee&lt;br /&gt;
Democratic Staff&lt;br /&gt;
2129 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515&lt;br /&gt;
Ph: (202) 225-4247&lt;br /&gt;
Fax: (202) 225-6952 &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;links to the list of committee members:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://financialservices.house.gov/members.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;House Financial Services Committee&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=CommitteeInformation.Membership&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Senate Banking Committee &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;toll free phone numbers&lt;/strong&gt; (from katymine) to the capitol switchboard (call one of these numbers and then just ask for any congress member’s office):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(800) 828 - 0498&lt;br /&gt;
(800) 459 - 1887&lt;br /&gt;
(800) 614 - 2803&lt;br /&gt;
(866) 340 - 9281&lt;br /&gt;
(866) 338 - 1015&lt;br /&gt;
(877) 851 - 6437&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’ve got to get some coffee and do a couple of  things, but then i’m going to make some calls. will report back here later…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks again to all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>committee contact info:</strong></p>
<p>U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs<br />
534 Dirksen Senate Office Building<br />
Washington, D.C. 20510<br />
P: (202) 224-7391<br />
F: (202) 224-5137</p>
<p>House Financial Services Committee<br />
Democratic Staff<br />
2129 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515<br />
Ph: (202) 225-4247<br />
Fax: (202) 225-6952 </p>
<p><strong>links to the list of committee members:</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://financialservices.house.gov/members.html" rel="nofollow">House Financial Services Committee</a><br /><a href="http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=CommitteeInformation.Membership" rel="nofollow">Senate Banking Committee </a></p>
<p><strong>toll free phone numbers</strong> (from katymine) to the capitol switchboard (call one of these numbers and then just ask for any congress member’s office):</p>
<p>(800) 828 &#8211; 0498<br />
(800) 459 &#8211; 1887<br />
(800) 614 &#8211; 2803<br />
(866) 340 &#8211; 9281<br />
(866) 338 &#8211; 1015<br />
(877) 851 &#8211; 6437</p>
<p>i’ve got to get some coffee and do a couple of  things, but then i’m going to make some calls. will report back here later…</p>
<p>thanks again to all.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/4404/comment-page-1#comment-36560</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks for all the great comments! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;re the 5 minute time limit. i’m sorry i wasn’t clear - i only think the time limit can be gotten rid of by having committee counsel (or some appropriate designee) do the questioning (as has been done previously, i understand for example during the watergate hearings). so long as it is congress members doing the questioning, there absolutely must be a time limit. i just don’t think congress members are the right people to be doing the questioning on some matters - like the economic crisis when the witnesses are not trying to inform. as hugh notes above, when the witnesses are there to obfuscate, it’s a very different kind of hearing - and one congress has shown no ability to deal with.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for all the great comments! </p>
<p>re the 5 minute time limit. i’m sorry i wasn’t clear &#8211; i only think the time limit can be gotten rid of by having committee counsel (or some appropriate designee) do the questioning (as has been done previously, i understand for example during the watergate hearings). so long as it is congress members doing the questioning, there absolutely must be a time limit. i just don’t think congress members are the right people to be doing the questioning on some matters &#8211; like the economic crisis when the witnesses are not trying to inform. as hugh notes above, when the witnesses are there to obfuscate, it’s a very different kind of hearing &#8211; and one congress has shown no ability to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/4404/comment-page-1#comment-36554</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you selise, for all that you do …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, selise, what you do is share, inform, cajole, enlighten, enthrall, annoy, encourage, confirm and inspire.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is known as ‘leadership’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are very good at it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~D&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;David&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you selise, for all that you do …</p>
<p>BTW, selise, what you do is share, inform, cajole, enlighten, enthrall, annoy, encourage, confirm and inspire.</p>
<p>It is known as ‘leadership’.</p>
<p>You are very good at it.</p>
<p>;~D</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: ArlaMiner</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/4404/comment-page-1#comment-36550</link>
		<dc:creator>ArlaMiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I share your frustration, Selise.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with eCAHNomics on the blowhard issue.  Imagine no time limits, and one of those long-winded Repubs getting up there and reciting the entire Declaration of Independence to preface his “question”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These guys are mostly Lawyers - they’re taught from the get-go to obfuscate, confuse, and use the most torturous forms of linguistic contortionism.  Expecting them to ask in plain English and without bombastic hyperbole is really asking a lot of such simple minds…  /snark&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share your frustration, Selise.  </p>
<p>I have to agree with eCAHNomics on the blowhard issue.  Imagine no time limits, and one of those long-winded Repubs getting up there and reciting the entire Declaration of Independence to preface his “question”.</p>
<p>These guys are mostly Lawyers &#8211; they’re taught from the get-go to obfuscate, confuse, and use the most torturous forms of linguistic contortionism.  Expecting them to ask in plain English and without bombastic hyperbole is really asking a lot of such simple minds…  /snark</p>
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