So now that the increasingly desperate Republicans have decided that Bill Ayers is an Evil Terrorist, let’s look at the people that Sarah Palin pals around with:
Take it away, Greg Sargent!
As you already know, the group is the Alaska Independence Party, which sees as its ultimate goal seceding from the union. Todd [Palin, Sarah's husband] was a member, with a brief exception, from 1995 until 2002, according to the Division of Elections in Alaska.
And though Sarah Palin herself was apparently not a member of this group, there’s no doubt that she repeatedly courted this secessionist organization over the years. In 1994, Palin attended the group’s annual convention, according to witnesses who spoke to ABC News’ Jake Tapper. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group’s 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States.
Got that? An elected governor of a state within the United States of America is palling around with people who openly hate America. More than that — she married one of them and is married to him to this day.
And lest you think that "hate" is too strong a word:
The founder of the AIP was a man named Joe Vogler. Here’s what he had to say in a 1991 interview, only a few years before Palin attended its convention: "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."
He also said this: "And I won’t be buried under their damn flag. I’ll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
Vogler has also said: "I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions."
McCain apologists will argue that Sarah Palin was not a member of this group. But Obama wasn’t a member of any Ayers anti-American group, either. And again, Palin repeatedly courted the AIP, and her husband was a member for years.
This is of course deadly kryptonite to Palin’s hopes of going national. So of course the Cons and their useful-idiot allies in the national press have to pretend that she’s not connected with the AIP at all. Our own David Neiwert has provided ample debunking of that nonsense — debunking courtesy of the AIP itself, which counted Palin as a member, along with her husband, for many years. Even without being a card-carrying member, she still to this day cuddles up to them and speaks at their meetings.
The decades of Republican rule in both the White House and Congress have shown that we can’t trust the workings of government to people who openly say that they hate government. Why should we hand over control of America to someone with close ties to groups that openly hate America itself?





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You make a good point on the whole guilt-by-association meme, and you’re right, the media should be picking it up.
You’re also right in that you didn’t advocate a response by the Obama campaign. They need to ignore Palin and keep firing at the real target, McSame.
While I agree that Obama needs to ignore Palin, do one of those brushing her off his shoulder, someone does need to take aim at her! Maybe a 527.
I agree. Palin might be an easy – but McCain is our target.
Ari:
Except that focus on Palin and her unfitness for office is what has driven down her favorables while also hurting McCain. Because it shows the lack of judgment on his part.
I do believe she does.
Resurrecting the stupid Ayers story is classic Rovian projection of Palin’s secessionist associations.
She must hate America or else she wouldn’t be trying to inflict herself on us.
MayDaze, bear in mind that John McCain has a not-insignificant chance of dying of natural causes during his first term.
A-yup.
It’s been Dugg, if anyone’s interested.
I recall reading that the chance is one in six, just don’t recall where. That does provide a certain rationale for attacking Palin, but IMO it would still be bad politics in that it would play into her “outsider status” and the victimization meme of her base.
At this point she’s doing a good job of attacking herself by showing us who she is.
I definitely do not think “hate” is too strong a word to use here. I wrote a letter to the Fresno Bee this morning complete with quotes from the founder of A.I.P, who so hates America he said he’s not a citizen of America but a citizen of Alaska and would never want to be buried under America’s flag. How f’ing patriotic.
Too bad she only has two eyes. She’s already given herself two black eyes.
Yes, but IOKIYAR! Republicans only hate America for the best possible patriotic reasons.
If the meme is to brand Obama by those he associates……
Why can’t we do the same to McCain……
McCain sat on board of ultra-right wing racist group
Or
Keating 5
Or
Hensley father-in-law & uncle-in-law who were convicted felons
Or
How many lobbyists
Or
Where did they hide Vicki?
And the Rollingstone article will tell you more than you ever would like to know about McCain……
Make-Believe Maverick
and G. Gordon Liddy.
That is a really eye-opening article. Some of the stories I had already read but the tales told by his fellow POWs tell you all you need to know about McC.
Republicans love “America: the Hallmark greeting card.” What they hate is Americans, at least, all the ones who aren’t just like them.
They love some twisted and militarized Norman (or possibly George) Rockwell fantasy of America, not the reality of America.
Except that anyone who listens to Obamas speeches knows that he is ALL about making the country “a force for good”. Unlike Palin, who blames the housing crisis on “stupid people” who bought homes when they should have known better, or greedy realtors and investors…Obama sees that the problems are the consequence of the loss of regulation that has guided people to proper decisions. It’s Palin herself who sees Americans, at essence, as essentially stupid and greedy. Yet she also is so embedded in her idealogy that she refuses to do anything about it…at least until everything falls apart (Bush said yesterday his philosophy is “not to get government involved until it’s an emergency”- which is a recipe for disaster).
And the fact that she sees other Americans as not “seeing America the same as she does” and that this is “terrorism” is divisive. Yesterday McCain’s brother called half of Virginia “communists”. And we have all these preachers, including Palin’s own “witch-doctor” blaming every problem that America has, including 9/11 and the financial collapse, not on tangible and real actions but on “God’s wrath” for sin.
Maybe the Vietnam Vet(s) Against McCain would like to pick this up.
They love America the all powerful. Nothing less will do.
This is the essence of the Republican worldview, which is what happens when some people spend too much time gazing into the mirror.
They love white America the all powerful. Nothing less will do.
There fixed it for you.
This is a cute and crazy story about Obama signs being stolen in Portland Oregon and how thousands of people across the globe are watching the signs…the home owner kept having her yard signs disappear and a friend put the video online so that they could catch who the perp was……
A Portland family’s Obama sign goes online
You too can watch at Obama sign watch
PW, this story needs wide circulation. Thanks for your post.
Paul Begala warned the McCain campaign on the guilt by association strategy on Meet the Press today. Begala also made an interesting observation about Palin’s performance at the VP debate – she’s looking ahead to 2012.
PW, this story needs wide circulation. Thanks for your post.
Paul Begala warned the McCain campaign on the guilt by association strategy on Meet the Press. Begala also made an interesting observation about Palin’s performance at the VP debate – she’s looking ahead to 2012.
http://www.democraticundergrou…..215;207142
As for McCain, astrologically he’s under highly unfavorable influences through the election. I don’t see him winning. For great day to day astrological analysis on the campaign and politics, this site does a great job:
starlightnews.com
Oh, no, sorry for the duplication.
the link don’t work neither
McBush will be running ads for the next couple of weeks in the battleground states claiming that Obama is a radical terrorist sympathiser- among other things….We should know within a week whether the ads are working…if not — I suspect that there IS no plan B.
I think you mean Plan Z. They’ve already run thru about 25 plans.
I’ll try again. The link for the Begala clip:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/
duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×207142
The astrology blog (Nancy’s Blog):
starlightnews.com/wordpress
“Survey: Economists Overwhelmingly Prefer Obama on the Economy”
http://www.economist.com/
world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127
New Obama ad claims that McBush is erratic in a crisis..Guess they’re both doin a little negative ad stuff.
Book Salon up over at the Mothership
Yea, that’s the same as flat out lying now isn’t it?
moment of silence…… per CNN Joe Biden’s mother in law just died…..
My condolences to the Biden family…
I rather like that one, as it legitimately calls into question McCain’s character. If they want to make this an election about personal character, I say “Bring it on!” At least as long as we fight back, because they have far more skeletons to hide. Also have to agree with Raven that there is no comparison to the lies and distortions in the McCain ads.
Sad news.
Let’s talk about the REAL terror that has been going on in the past few years…not some archeology…that was dealt with by the courts back some 40 years ago.
After the trial the judge found that much of the evidence presented against Ayers was tainted…and that there was no legitimate evidence he was involved directly in any attacks. Obama never knew him (he was 8 years old at the time) and has impugned statements made in the media (though Ayers says out-of-context) ever since these were brought to Obama’s attention.
But how about the fact that there are leaders of the McCain campaign in Florida that want to get known and confessed terrorists out of jail. You betcha…they actually APPLAUD the bombing of a Air Cubana jetliner by Juan Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch that killed almost 140 athletes and civilians after the Pan-Am games in Venezuela. In fact, these Republican extremist Congresspersons actually tried to block the FBI from attempting to gather evidence against these two mass murderers. Yet these advocates of terrorism still sit on McCaine’s Campaign Committees in Florida.
Floridian GOP tries to block FBI from investigating Cuban terrorists
Or how about McCaine campaign advisor Randy Scheuneman lobbying against restrictions against people on the terrorist watch list being banned from carrying weapons?
McCain aide lobbied against terror bill
Or McCain’s refusal to vote for two bills declaring organizations that threaten doctors, nurses or patients…or advocate blowing up or burning down women’s health clinics can be declared terrorist organizations.
McCain opposed defining Pro-Life extremists as terrorists
Or how about the economic terrorist acts against people who are trying to hold onto their family homes. If burning down a building, leaving people scared and homeless, is terrorism, isn’t driving people into abject poverty so the same people are left without shelter psychologically equivalent. In fact by blaming the people as “whiners”…which is just what Sarah Palin did in the debate…it’s even worse. You blame the attack on “their stupidity”.
Phil Gramm’s Eco-Terrorism (economic, that is)
Some Kossacks and I did some digging on Mark Chryson and turned this up, among other things, quite a while ago…
Sarah Palin’s AKIP Missing Link: Mark Chryson?
dKos again, and this is some weird, scary and wacky stuff:
There are also hundreds of photos, gifs and other stuff stored in zips with file titles like /death/burial.jpg, /death/waco/burial.gif, /death/coffin.gif, /waco/coffin.html etc..
Chryson is one wacko dude. And he is obviously pretty close to the Palins.
My heartfelt thoughts to Joe and Jill. Let’s hope that she passed on having her son-in-law make her proud to be an American.
WASHINGTON — Democrat Barack Obama now leads Republican John McCain by a 61%-32% among registered voters under 30, an advantage that is swamping McCain’s competitive position among older voters.
A USA TODAY/MTV/Gallup Poll of 18- to 29-year-olds details Obama’s continuing clout among the voters who fueled his initial victory in the Iowa caucuses at the beginning of the year and his presidential ambitions since then.
Gooper nightmare: Dems take permanent possession of that generation and Goopers sit around watching their voters die off.
From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.co…..ccain.html
The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In…”McCain Goes Negative!”
In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode…McCain Goes Negative!
McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.
A walnut slips to the floor.
McCain: Damn nutcracker!
Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: “J.M + S.P.” This is then crossed out and replaced by “S.P. + J.M.”. These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.
McCain: Well, the first plan didn’t work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn’t called the commander in Afghanistan “McClellan”
Palin: But…didn’t you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?
McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.
McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in…Dr. Negative.
He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.
Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book “Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse…for Dummies!” is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.
Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden’s subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite–and the midwife was a Trotskyite!
McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.
Sarah: Oh, we’ve already met.
Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!
Sarah: You betcha’!
Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative’s telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing “…illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers…”
Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.
Dr. Negative: Just practicing.
There is a pause.
McCain: That’s fine, Dr. Negative. That’s fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.
Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor–buttons reading “Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!”, business cards, reading “Push Polls Anonymous–We Call, They Fall”, “Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched”; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.
Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I’m ready! I’m ready!
Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.
McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical…
Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word “Radical” He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.
Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes…Yes…
McCain: You’ll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth…
Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled “Rumor Mill”. He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.
Dr. Negative: Yes…Yes…
He is salivating.
McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia–bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.
Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that’s easy. They’ll eat anything.
Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled “Minutia: So-called “Proof” for the Right”. He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled “How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses”, “The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!” and “You TOO Can Be A Warrior–From Your Own Couch!” fall to the floor.
Sarah plucks out the “Faked Moon Landings” book. She starts reading.
McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.
Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.
Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.
Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?
McCain: It is very difficult. Very…dark.
Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?
McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?
The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.
Dr. Negative: You mean…(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).
McCain (nodding): Yes.
Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled “Joker” brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.
McCain nods.
Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife–holding it from it very farthest end–and flips open the top of the pack.
Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.
McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember–no fingerprints!
Next episode: The smoke is cleared.
Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.co…..ccain.html
hardly the same- but it does indicate that the campaign is going to get rougher on both sides in the final month.
Oh yeah… Chryson not only helped her bring down the Alaskan GOP chairman, but Chryson also donated money to her campaign. Ayers never did that for Obama, did he?
Thanks for the info and I did give you the h/t over on kos…. front page article …….
Which also explains why the Montana GOP is going all out with voter suppression initiatives in predominately democratic counties. According to election officials in the state, the Obama campaign has been outpacing the Republicans in new voter registrations by 100:1.
obama needs to do something like so;
If I were Sarah Palin, I wouldn’t be someone in my past like Bill Ayers, a man I am not professionally associated when her own husband doesn’t even want to be an American and has been in groups that hate America, she needs to face some reality before she starts throwing stones”
Yeah, isn’t that interesting – in a ‘red’ state that is currently polling McCain 10 points ahead of Obama – they would waste so much effort, money and time trying to suppress the college vote here (most of the targetted voters are under 30 and they’re using change of address lists from the Post Office!)
I think this fits nicely into the ‘caging’ which is illegal. It’s just a backdoor to the same info and results in the same challenge.
It is also interesting because Montana allows instant voter registration – you go to the elections office, fill out a form, and they hand you a ballot!
And – you can vote in your ‘old’ precinct if you have moved as long as the new address is within the same precinct.
Total waste of time – but if they’re wasting time and money doing that here – you can bet they are doing it other places where it is sure to matter more…
That backfired here badly in michigan. They couldn’t get away with the foreclosure caging and if they can’t do that, they won’t get far with college voters either. This state is CRAWLING with that age group between the two big ten colleges and all the smaller ones all over the place.
I’m no longer part of the targeted demographic, but i was voting dem anyway, since 18. *grin* Never did fall prey to the Young Republican schtick.
There’s some quieter ways to go about this, but we’ll see how it goes to begin with. I’m keeping my eye out for some of the scams on my end and making sure i know where my new voting place is. They just switched it about 6 months ago and i got the new voter registration card with the addy on it afterwards.
I just wrote a letter to the editor saying to the Rethugs basically that instead of using up time and resources trying to prevent people from voting – why don’t you get out there and try to convince people to vote for your ticket? The Obama campaign has a field office here and they have some activity or other going on every single week to register voters, get out the vote, door-knocking and phone canvassing, meet-ups, walks for change, the list goes on and on.
The Rethugs just opened an office about two weeks ago and this is what they’re doing – vote caging. Nice.
There were three ‘anti-Sarah’ pro-Obama rallies in Alaska yesterday. The one in Anchorage was just down the street from a Palin rally. The Obama group was outdoors, had a band, face-painting and other stuff for kids, lots of great speakers, and had about 1800 people. The Palin one was a hate-fest against ‘those people’ who were described as a bunch of haters and fear-mongers while they joked about hanging an effigy of Katie Couric. 250 people attended there.
In Fairbanks, the temperature was 18 degrees, and they still had about 500 people. OUTSIDE!
In Juneau, the temp was near freezing as well and it was snowing and they had 300 people. OUTSIDE!
At all three Obama rallies, Obama campaign volunteers were helping people do handwritten postcards to be mailed to voters in swing states. People made their own signs and held them up for drivers going by, the bands played, and everyone was happy and excited. (You know, all those haters and fear-mongers!)
h/t to mudflats press!
Also targets the largely Democratic Indian vote, primarily in Glacier & Hill counties (Blackfeet, Ft. Belknap, and Rockie Boy’s reservations), as well as in Missoula and Helena.
Sarah Palin is a piece of shit.
She’s a narcissistic sociopath. In other words – very dangerous. McSlime doesn’t realize what he’s tangled with – and he may be starting to see the light.
Those little Palin and McCain ticket slips weren’t slips. She is openly arguing with him about pulling out of Michigan. She fought with her debate prep team – and really has not been a ‘good little foot-soldier’ in the McSlime campaign – like he/they probably thought she would.
She is ambitious, willing to beat down anyone who gets in her way, and obviously do or say almost anything as well.
What a fun story…..thanks so much for flagging it!
This charge about the Alaska Independent Party might have more traction if there were at least one episode where the AIP or its adherents had ever threatened or committed a violent act.
I haven’t researched this; has anyone?
It isn’t a negative ad if it is true and it is. I call it presenting the facts to the voting public. It’s only negative to the McCain campaign.
The AIP does not advocate violence. It’s main premise is that the vote for statehood was illegal, and that the residents of Alaska have a right to vote again on the question of whether to be a State or not. The founder of the group had nothing but contempt for the US, but that is free speech.
The other major premise is ‘Alaska first’ and that carries through all their other minor positions, and is used extensively when their candidates run for office. When Palin was first asked about the VP position, she first said she didn’t know what the VP did all day, and finished up by commenting that she wanted to make sure that Alaska got everything it would need first if she did. (I’m paraphrasing). Palin’s rhetoric fits the ‘Alaska first’ paradigm very well, and her association with this group both personally and through her husband are quite close.
In any case – under some interpretations of the Constitution advocating for separation is considered treason.
There is some argument about whether the ‘annexation’ of the Alaska territory in the first place was legal or not but that is a whole other issue.
It is just interesting that Palin is running for VP of a country that she has a questionable loyalty to.
AND to corporate media who will also label it negative…….just to be “fair and balanced”, don’cha know.
Jon Stewart’s quote that
is spot on in my opinion, with some expansion. They also hate the government as they perceive it, and the democracy that is “enshrined” in the Constitution. They have proven this to me by their utter contempt for the law and the subversion of our political institutions. Divisive and corrupt politics is how they exercise their power and serve their god of fear and hate. They are trying to set up Sarah Palin as the future standard bearer of the party. I don’t believe she wasn’t vetted. Palin is the ultimate subversive in this game.
Bless her heart, that Sarah sure knows how to dress for secession. You betcha.
I hope MSM picks up on this, since it;s waaaaay worse than going ot a cocktail party wiht Bill Ayers.
Unfortunately, they wont. For some reason the press has decided that they will never, ever, commit game changing journalism. Game changers have to be presented by the other side or as an act of nature (the economy, etc), or else be relegated to buried lede status. Pointing something like that out would immediately call into question the presses “biases” and we all can’t have that in “balanced” journalism.
Attacking Palin is attacking McCain. He picked her, and it reflects on his judgment.
There’s always a controversy about tactics. Should Dems get as dirty as Repubs? Do we need our own Rove, our own Coulter? I don’t think we do, and I don’t think most liberals want that. But striking at genuine weakness is another matter. Taking up a real concern and running with it is entirely valid. This has been the hallmark of Democrats under Bush’s reign, people like Feingold whose criticisms can’t be legitimately dismissed as partisan because the war is criminal, torture is wrong, domestic spying is unconstitutional, etc.
That concept applies here. Palin is a disaster, in the short time she’s been on the national scene it’s almost like we have the same sort of “scandal fatigue” it took Bush years to build up. Troopergate I and II, AIP, rape kits, per diems, per diems and tax returns, taking gifts, lies about the bridge to nowhere, trying to ban books, and her affair (if Edwards’ coverage in the Enquirer is credible enough for national attention, so is Palin’s). And besides all of that, things such as her college record, her views on abortion, getting blessed by radical preachers, her devotion to the failed concept of abstinence-only education, her belief that dinosaurs and man co-existed, things of that sort are probably of interest to many people as well.
So how does someone like this get tapped to be on a major party’s ticket? Obama may be relatively inexperienced, but at least he knows things. He can talk about issues off the top of his head, while Palin sure as hell can’t. If the shoe was on the other foot, Republicans would be foaming at the mouth over this sort of pick, and rightfully so. Her lack of positives and virtual cornucopia of negatives should be put front and center, so McCain has to answer the question;Why on earth did you pick her? Either he genuinely likes her views and doesn’t care about her scandals, in which case he’s a radical and a fool, or he doesn’t, in which case he’s gambling with our future for the sake of naked politics.
Either option leaves McCain’s judgment in flaming shreds.