Just starting now, JEC hearing: Too Big to Fail or Too Big to Save? Examining the Systemic Threats of Large Financial Institutions (live webcast at the link)
Witnesses:
- Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize recipient, 2001; University Professor, Columbia University; former chairman, Council of Economic Advisers
- Ronald A. Kurtz Professor of Entrepreneurship, MIT’s Sloan School of Management; Senior Fellow, Peterson Institute; former Economic Counselor, International Monetary Fund
- Thomas M. Hoenig, President, Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
From Stiglitz’s prepared statement (pdf):
A good financial system manages risk and allocates capital, with the intent of increasing the overall efficiency of the economy; it does this with low transaction costs. However, we have a financial system which created risk and misallocated capital, with high transaction costs. While capital was being misallocated to homes beyond people’s ability to pay and in places where homes were not needed, too little capital was being deployed to new start-ups, to create and expand small and medium size enterprises, which are the bases of a dynamic economy.
A small part of our financial system, the venture capital firms, is responsible for a large part of our economy’s economic growth. While our big banks have not been at the center of this dynamic growth, they have been at the center of this tempest; they have created risk to our country, without any offsetting rewards—though to be sure those in the industry have been rewarded well.
Other parts of our financial system have done a good job—community banks, credit unions and local banks—in supplying consumers, small and medium sized enterprises with the finance they need.
But we should also be aware of the inadequacies of our financial system—beyond the failures in risk management and capital allocation that led to this crisis. Our financial system discovered that there was money at the bottom of the pyramid and made a concerted effort to make sure that they money did not remain there. They engaged in predatory lending; it is ironic that they were hoisted by their own petard in the sub-prime mortgages.
…we need to admit that those that predicted dire consequences to come from the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act were correct. They warned about conflicts of interest, the increase in concentration of the banking system, with increasing risks of too-big-to-fail institutions—and increasing systemic risk as a result. They warned about the consequences of transferring the investment banking culture to the commercial banks, who are entrusted with the management of the payment system and ordinary individuals’ savings—insured by the government. The critics suggested that the benefits from economies of scope and scale were exaggerated, and, if present at all, these were almost surely outweighed by the costs. As painful as it may be, we need to revisit these questions. Depression-era regulations may not be appropriate for the twenty-first century, but what was needed was not stripping away regulations but adapting the regulatory system to the new realities, e.g. the enhanced risk posed by derivatives and securitization.
The process of breaking them up may be slow; there may be political resistance—even if the shareholders have not done well, their officers have, and their political contributions have not gone unnoticed.
In environmental economics there is the basic principle of the polluter pays. Those who pollute must pay the cost of clean-up. It is a matter of efficiency and equity. The too- big-to-fail institutions have contributed to the pollution of the global economy with toxic mortgages; they should now pay for the cost of clean-up.
We should recognize that, in a sense, the too-big-to fail institutions have succeeded in managing their risk well—but not in the way advertised. A relatively small investment in campaign contributions (the combined campaign contributions of U.S. financial, insurance, and real-estate firms has been estimated at around $5 billion over the past decade) has succeeded in transferring losses to the public, estimated well in excess of a trillion dollars.
Yes, apparently the too-big-to fail institutions have succeeded in managing their risk — buy transferring it, with the help of both the Bush and Obama administrations, onto the rest of us.
(thanks to cbl2 who first alerted me of this hearing)





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i don’t have an audio only link for this hearing room… but have called the committee to ask/complain and am promised a call back.
maybe someone else knows of a link?
Too failed to be big.
stiglitz up now:
we should be protecting people, not institutions.
we should limit this new corporate welfare state
…..
me: mostly reading from his statement
love it – exactly right!
simon johnson up: quotes this morning’s imf report on expected bank losses: $4.1 Trillion.
simon johnson:
calls for using anti-trust laws (including new ones to be written?) to break up financial institutions.
these banks have done more damage than any other corporations since the turn of the century. previously it was industrial corps. now it is financial.
also, since i don’t see a diary or post on the COP hearing now starting: Congressional Oversight Panel Announces Hearing with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner
since it’s not a congressional committee hearing, and elizabeth warren will be asking quesitons (i assume), it may not suck!
also on cspan.
stiglitz (author of globalization and its discontents) and johnson (unrepentant ex-imf chief economist) are quoting each other with respect.
hell has frozen over. again.
stiglitz and johnson agree that venture capital firms are the kind of risk taking financial institutions that add value but the main part of the financial services institutions should be managed along a kind of public utility model.
i’m going to be away from the computer for most of the rest of the day. if anyone wants to use this thread for live blogging or commenting on either the jec or cop hearing, please go for it.
yes, too failed to be…
so now is the time for the B.U.B.B.A. campaign to gather momentum and sweep this land like a SEIU broom
Break Up the Big Banks Already!
B.U.B.B.A., now!
This gets back to a question I asked once: Why does Goldman Sachs exist? What function does it serve in our economy? (Hint: none)
In other words, re-impose Glass-Steagall.
Stiglitz is correct. I wish he were in this adminstration. It is America’s loss.
stiglitz had a list the big banks’ goals. one of them was to provide big bonuses to executives. don’t remember any of the goals being of use to the rest of us
stiglitz: bonuses for executives are called “incentives” when times are good and “retention pay” when times are bad. it’s a charade
Is it okay to post Mojo links here? Too big to Fail.
I can understand in terms of the publishing industry, consolidation often screws the consumer.
please do! i will be back later today to read your links.
Happy, happy. joy, joy.
Is there any sign selise, that Obama will change direction. Seems like the administration just wants to protect our toxic national treasures: Goldman Sachs et al.
http://www.motherjones.com/pol…..ot-recover
I am having trouble with linking on your page. But I guess I have been reading mojo a lot these days.
As always, thanks very much selise.
Dugg.
I can’t recommend you, because no recommend button available. I guess that’s because you’re already front-paged.
Go Joe!
Excellent, selise. I don’t know how you stay on top of all this stuff. Thanks.
Excellent post Selise; thanks. BUT I still concur with David Simon of ‘The Wire’:”DAVID SIMON: You show me anything that depicts institutional progress in America, school test scores, crime stats, arrest reports, arrest stats, anything that a politician can run on, anything that somebody can get a promotion on. And as soon as you invent that statistical category, 50 people in that institution will be at work trying to figure out a way to make it look as if progress is actually occurring when actually no progress is. And this comes down to Wall Street. I mean, our entire economic structure fell behind the idea that these mortgage-based securities were actually valuable. And they had absolutely no value. They were toxic. And yet, they were being traded and being hurled about, because somebody could make some short-term profit. In the same way that a police commissioner or a deputy commissioner can get promoted, and a major can become a colonel, and an assistant school superintendent can become a school superintendent, if they make it look like the kids are learning, and that they’re solving crime. And that was a front row seat for me as a reporter. Getting to figure out how the crime stats actually didn’t represent anything, once they got done with them.”
Nothing to do with selise’s post.
Please don’t digg my digg. Digg is trying to steal FDL traffic. I missed Jane’s post yesterday.
From Talkingpointsmemo pdf of Geithner’s letter to Elizabeth Warren:
DEPARTMENT OFTHE TREASURY
WASHINGTON, D.C.
SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
April 20, 2009
Ms. Elizabeth Warren
Chair
Congressional Oversight Panel
732 North Capitol Street, NW
Rooms C-320 and C-617
Mailstop: COP
Washington, DC 20401
Dear Chair Warren:
I am writing to update you on the current state of funds provided to Treasury under the Emergency
Economic Stabilization Act. As you know, Congress released the second half of the $700 billion
allocated to Treasury through EESA in January. This letter is intended to ensure you are aware of our
current projections concerning the remaining funds available.
When the Obama Administration took office, Treasury had already committed over half of the funds
allocated for the Troubled Asset Relief Program. As you can see in Chart 1, Treasury projects that the
total usage of the programs announced under the previous administration will be $355.4 billion. This total
includes $117.4 billion in exceptional relief committed to ArG, Citigroup, Bank of America, Chrysler and
General Motors, $218 billion projected to be disbursed through the Capital Purchase Program (CPP), and
$20 billion committed under the original announcement for the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan
Facility (TALF).
Today, Treasury estimates there is at least $109.6 billion in resources authorized under EESA still
available, but we anticipate that $25 billion will be paid back under the CPP over the next year – for a
total of $134.6 billion. This figure assumes – as reported by the Government Accountability Office – that
the projected amount committed to existing programs will be $590.4 billion. Because the most relevant
consideration is how much funds will remain available for new programs, we believe that our estimates
are conservative for two reasons. First, our estimates assume 100 percent take-up of the $220 billion made
available for our housing and liquidity programs, which require significant voluntary participation from
financial participants. If any of those programs experience less than full take-up, additional funds will be
available. Secondly, our projections anticipate only $25 billion will be paid back under CPP over the next
year, a figure lower than many private analysts expect.
As you can see in Chart 2, we have broken down our commitment ofEESA funds under four categories:
1) Exceptional Relief: The first category includes funds already committed for exceptional relief to
financial institutions and the auto industry, which have either been disbursed or will- with near
certainty – be needed in its entirety. When the Obama administration took office, the Treasury
Department had already committed $117.4 billion under this category, including $40 billion to
ArG, $52.5 billion to Citigroup and Bank of America and $24.9 billion to Chrysler, General
Motors and their financing companies. Since January 20th
, Treasury has committed an additional
$30 billion to AIG and $5 billion to auto suppliers, for a total of $152.4 billion.
2) Capital Purchase Program: The second category consists ofthe CPP, which was announced at
$250 billion under the previous administration. Thus far, $199 billion has been disbursed through
the CPP. Although the CPP is still an ongoing program, the deadline for applications for most
types ofbanks has passed, allowing us to estimate projected usage. While there have recently
been a significant number of withdrawals from smaller banks in the pipeline, our current estimate
- considering future take-up from banks and insurance companies – is that $218 billion will be
disbursed.
3) Housing and Liquidity Initiatives: The third category consists ofnew initiatives directed towards
addressing weaknesses in the housing and credit markets. These programs include:
• The Making Home Affordable Program, with a maximum funding level of $50 billion.
(An additional $25 billion commitment will be funded under authority granted by the
Housing and Economic Recovery Act.)
• The Consumer and Business Lending Initiative, with a maximum funding level of $95
billion. Currently, our projection is that up to $80 billion will be allocated to the TALF,
including:
o $20 billion announced by the previous administration to support purchases of
newly-issued securities backed by credit card loans, auto loans, student loans
and SBA loans
o $35 billion announced in February that will also support purchases ofnew1yissued
securities – but with asset classes expanded to include equipment leases
and commercial mortgage-backed securities
o $25 billion for the purchase oflegacy securities through the TALF structure as
part of our Public Private Investment Program.
Additionally, while securities backed by SBA loans are among the asset classes originally
included in the TALF, we chose to allocate up to $15 billion from the CBLI toward more
direct and immediate efforts to unlock the secondary market for small business loans.
• The Public Private Investment Program
of $100 billion. This program designed to address the problem of legacy securities and
legacy loans called for a net increase in funding of $75 billion from the EESA as well as
$25 billion devoted towards legacy securities through the TALF that is already counted
as part ofthe CBLI.
Together, the maximum funding available to these programs is $220 billion. As these are new
programs designed to restart illiquid markets and are completely dependent on voluntary private
sector participation, it is of course possible that there will be less than 100 percent usage ofthe
maximum amounts available. Yet, in the interest of providing a very conservative estimate of
remaining funds, we have currently assumed 100 percent usage of these new programs.
4) Paybacks: Seven recipients ofTARP funds through the CPP have already repaid Treasury and
several others have announced their intention to do so in the near future. We have made a
conservative estimate of$25 billion in repayments over the next year.
2
In addition to the programs discussed above, Treasury has stated its intention to provide additional
support to the auto industry – contingent on an acceptable restructuring – as well as capital under the
Capital Assistance Program. While Treasury has not announced specific commitments to these programs
or any other, we believe that even under the conservative estimate of available funds described here, we
have the resources to move forward implementing all aspects of our Financial Stability Plan.
Please let me know ifyou have any other questions on this matter.
Enclosures
Identical letters sent to:
The Honorable Chris Dodd, Chairman
The Honorable Richard Shelby, Ranking Member
The Honorable Barney Frank, Chairman
The Honorable Spencer Bachus, Ranking Member
The Honorable Neil Barofsky, Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program
The Honorable Gene Dodaro, Acting Comptroller General of the United States
There are charts of Geithner’s text in the pdf on TalkingPointsMemo that don’t work in pasting here so let me suggest that if you want to see the charts, load the pdf.
selise, this is an EXCELLANT post and demonstrates the depravity of those in charge of our economy
It saves a lot of bandwidth if you paste a paragraph or two and link to the piece. Also avoids copyright issues.
There are no copyright issues here of course, since this is a letter from some government officials to another one. There are bandwidth issues, though, including “why do I have to scroll past all that to get to the end” issues.
We should manage our national capital the same way that most people manage investments. Much of it should be in “safe” investments, stuff we’re pretty sure will pay off in either earnings or public good. A small part should go to “risky” things that may or may not pay off. Such projects have to be funded if a society is to grow and react to new conditions.
Hopefully, having something like Glass-Steigel will get us there.
I have three dear friends who work in finance. One in mortgage brokerage, one in stock trading, and one in derivatives trading.
To hear them prattle on about their “work” is an exercise in sycophancy. Each of them is constantly stressed out by all the activity going on in their respective fields. When we get together I have to remind them politely, “Never mistake being busy with doing work. I replace guys like you with software everyday. Feel fortunate, not entitled.”
i don’t think there is an audio only archive of this hearing, so i ripped an mp3 and posted one:
http://www.netrootsmass.net/20…..heir-risk/
please let me know if there is any trouble with it.
i agree. but i don’t remember it always being that way (~30 years ago) – am i misremembering or was i just not paying enough attention?
i don’t know about obama, so far i’m not impressed. but then, i guess i don’t see electoral politics as the source of all political change.
fire geithner now. summers too.
No trouble and much thanks.
Actually one has to go back to 1969 when Nixon got elected. China dependency, outsourcing, HMO’s, prolongation of ‘Nam, many other things were the seeds for the current situation (including the impetus by defeating Goldwater for the nomination of the usage of the religious fundamentalists in the political process).
Isn’t going to happen; and what better ’smokescreen’ than the issue of torture investigations and healthcare to hide the financial games.
Apologies for being such a ‘downer’ but I agree -it’s in my experience- with David Simon; it will take something like the Haymarket to bring about institutional change.
Oh, and in case you missed this http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..banks.php “The government’s “stress tests” of 19 large banks take a harsher view of loans than of other troubled assets, according to a Federal Reserve document obtained by the Associated Press. That approach favors a few Wall Street banks while potentially threatening major regional players.”
~~~ModNote: Link repaired.~~~
Goodee. I’m making a composite of moronic bankster quotes and this is a gooder.
i was thinking of the (possibly) cultural change where people learned to prioritize gaming the “measures” instead of doing a good job as recognized by one’s co-workers, customers, etc.
the one issue i thought we had a (very small) chance on was healthcare reform – but with so many willing to, or worse actually insisting on, pre-compromise for insurance centered reform (that we all know will be gamed and not for us), i am tending towards despair.
oh, and p.s. i tried listening to the cop hearing, but had to stop. i love warren, but that was a horrible hearing. all kissy up to geithner who took control of the hearing – actually insisting on taking more than twice the amount of time he was allotted for his opening statement, and then doing what he always does: distract, delay and obscure. unless something changed after i quit listening, it was another hearing that sucked. we need a prosecutor type. i remember listening to the hours of fitz questioning libby – THAT is what i’m talking about. calm, polite, in control and devastating.