Yesterday Sheldon White house was quoted on a blog by Empty wheel suggesting that detainees could be held because they are a danger to self and others under the same basic philosophy of the mental health commitment. You can read her post about it here
To argue by analogy, one can go to court and to a civil standard of proof show that someone is a danger to themselves or others, and obtain a civil commitment restricting their freedom. If we can do this with Americans, it seems logical that we could also do it with foreign terrorists. The question is, what checks and balances should surround the initial determination of danger, and what safeguards should stay with the person through the period of confinement? I look forward to hearing more from the Obama Administration about what schedule of rule of law safeguards they intend to apply, but I think that the example of civil commitment shows that it is not categorically forbidden to restrict someone’s freedom based on a finding of danger.
That quote is problematic to me for many reasons. As a member of the mental health profession, the analogy seems disingenuous and lacks understanding about what a mental health commitment entails. Furthermore, it seems the purpose of the statement is more to rationalize the holding of people deemed a "danger to self and others" than it is a valid solution for the detainees. If the analogy is meant to rationalize the holding of the detainees, an understanding of the commitment process would prove an interesting comparison. While it may be true that these people could be held, the conditions of their holding would not be anything similar to being held in a maximum security prison and would likely give them "rights" that they have not been given up to now. Right now, the current status quo for these detainees sorely violates the statutes in most states for involuntary commitment.
If however, Whitehouse was proposing a process or solution to the detainee problem and suggesting that each prisoner be evaluated under these guidelines then perhaps this would pose a viable solution. However, this solution would give these detainees rights that might mean it would be legal to hold them no more than 24-48 hours if observation did not find them to be incompetent to take care of themselves, or a danger to self or others.
This statement from wikipedia summarizes current law in regard to holding people involuntarily.
It has been established through O’Connor v. Donaldson that an individual cannot be involuntarily committed unless he is a danger to himself or others and that while committed, he must receive appropriate treatment. The case of Rennie v. Klein established that an involuntarily committed individual has a qualified constitutional right to refuse psychotropic medication
Their are some problems with using the mental health hold as a way to detain these people. First of all, the rules vary from state to state. One of the areas of variance has to do with the issue of "incompetence" as a valid reason to hold a person. Some states have provision for those who are "gravely ill" or "incompetent" but other states only allow involuntary commitment for reasons related to safety.
Furthermore, once in custody these people, because they have not been convicted of a crime, have rights that the detainees have not been given up to now. Patients have the right to a hearing to determine the truth of their need for confinement. Furthermore they have the right to have their case reviewed frequently. They would have a right to lawyers, and doctors of their own choosing. They would be allowed advocacy. This process, would seem to have the potential to open the United States government torture policies to more, not less scrutiny. Under observation, documentation would be required. Anything these people might say about who hurt them, how they were hurt, would become part of the mental health treatment plan.
The idea that you could simply isolate and hold these people without valid mental health care is not accurate. Involuntarily held patients have a number of rights. However, these rights vary state to state and are difficult to summarize on a "national" level. Therefore, this is a link to an example of Ohio’s patient rights.
* You should be committed only if you meet the legal definition of "mental illness" and are an immediate danger to yourself or others.
* You have a right to be represented by a competent attorney who listens to what you want and advocates for what you want.
* You have a right to have an independent doctor or psychologist evaluate you and testify on your behalf.
* You have a right to an attorney and an independent evaluation even if you do not have any money.
* You have a right to be committed to the place that gives you the most freedom.
* You have the right to be treated with dignity. Your thoughts about what treatment will be provided to you should be listened to and considered.
* You cannot be forced by hospital staff to take medication except in an emergency (an immediate danger to yourself or another person). In the community, you cannot be forced, for any reason, to take medication against your will.
Here is a link to Idaho’s statues.
One note of interest is that most states have a provision about "least restrictive means". This means that a patient is held or confined only to the degree necessary for safety. This means that sometimes patients are confined by requiring they live in a "group home" instead of independently. However these group homes are not locked facilities. The law provides that patients are given as much freedom as they can be given without being a danger or threat.
The only exception to this rule would be in cases where there has been a prior conviction regarding sex offenders. These people can be monitored in varying levels of "confinement" and subjected to some "control" and continued monitoring for the rest of their lives. From wikipedia:
In the 1990s a novel and extremely controversial use of involuntary commitment laws known as "Mentally Abnormal Sexually Violent Predator" laws were enacted in order to hold sex offenders after their terms have expired. (This is generally referred to as "civil commitment," not "involuntary commitment," since involuntary commitment can be criminal or civil). Supporters claim that this is a valid use of involuntary commitment laws, while opponents claim that this is a potentially extremely dangerous way of bypassing the safeguards in the criminal justice system. This matter has been the subject of a number of cases before the Supreme Court, most notably Kansas v. Hendricks.
These detainees have not been convicted of any crime and therefore could not be subjected to these provisions. Not legally anyway.
So the questions left to answer are: was Whitehouse proposing that each detainee be evaluated for threat to society, by a treatment team, then be given a mental health hearing, then be treated in accordance with the treatment plan established? If this is true, would the process be valid and in accordance with our constitution? Would these people then be cared for in the least restrictive means both for our safety and theirs? Or was he simply trying to rationalize the idea of holding people without a trial? What do you think?





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Thank you, wavpeac!
Very excellent, in every respect.
Hopefully, Senator Whitehouse will be moved to take the opportunity of responding to your most-thoughtful and cogent questions.
I look forward (if that phrase has not last all meaning) to whatever thoughts which you wish to share.
[Personally I do not know if you have “need” of a PhD, wavpeac; so far as I can tell, ;~D, you have, for whatever my opinion may be worth to you, already, “arrived” and embody that “credit” to your profession (most admirably well), which I mentioned, back on EW’s thread]
DW
Aw…thanks DW…!! I have been absolutely appalled that any psychologist would participate in enabling torture. I wish that we would move further to develop a deeper understanding about what the trauma of war does to the human brain and better documentation about the length and breath of it’s affect on our whole society. In my humble opinion war and torture create a cycle of violence that is fueled by invalidation and denial.
Now you bring us to reality, wavpeac. There just aren’t any easy answers to this horrible mess that the previous administration wrought.
It will be interesting to see what (and how) decisions are made.
Thanks wavpeac. I think the key considerations to take from a civil commitment are that the dangerousness to self or others is imminent and that the dangerousness is due to a mental illness. Somebody can’t have a pre-meditated plan or long held wish to commit murder alone in the absence of having an acute mental illness and qualify for commitment.
It is also important to realize, as you point out, that built in to the commitment is the expectation that an ongoing effort is made to treat the illness as well as to coordinate resources for both housing and continued care that allow for transition to the least restrictive environment and discharge from commitment as soon as possible.
In civil commitments, there are built-in checks. The commitment has a finite duration of several months and requires formal review for extension by the court if justified. A patient’s ongoing need for commitment is also under near daily review by a treating physician (psychiatrist) in conjunction with a court appointed commitment coordinator. Both the physician and commitment coordinator work together to decide when to discharge a patient from commitment, which often happens before the initial term of commitment expires. The psychiatrist alone cannot make the determination to end an active civil commitment. During the initial pre-commitment hearing phase (lasting a few days), either one of a physician or court investigator can drop the hospital hold.
Regarding the questions posited at the end of the post, I’m trying to think about how we can close Gitmo and offer the greatest chance of a normal transition for un-convicted detainees back to a life of freedom. Transition is the key because abrupt release for some if not many will be too destabilizing and result in a higher risk for bad outcomes. It is something that I imagine could likely occur in weeks to less than 6 months for detainees.
I think first you have to get the detainees out of their cages at Gitmo and into a secure environment that is more comfortable and humane, and non-threatening. They need to understand that a process is to be undertaken to understand their condition and needs. They should receive full psychiatric/psychosocial evaluations. Detainees in need of treatment should be offered it. If some detainees are clearly not imminently dangerous and ill and can cooperate with assistance, we should do our best to help them relocate and have contact with any available services and support that they choose – and set them free.
I think it needs to be accepted up front that the long term chances of released detainees committing suicide, doing something harmful to others, or failing to thrive in whatever place they reside will be significantly elevated relative to the normal population. That cannot be a reason to justify long term civil detention.
Great diary, wavpeac–thanks for taking the time to lay this out.
yes, another great diary from wavpeac.
Great work, wavpeac – thanks!
well, I think it is absolutely true that these people need psych evals, and need to be assessed in regard to danger. However, I am fairly certain that this would not mean that we could hold them indefinitely under current laws.
Also, if we caused or exacerbated brain damage that leaves them disabled, what is our culpability? Given that we were violating laws as we did it?
Perhaps getting the mental health field is exactly the correct path. My point is that I can see no valid or legal way to continue holding these people “for no reason other than our fear”. We need to get busy about a process, and in my opinion Whitehouse and Obama need to start laying the foundation that these people have not been convicted and may now pose no threat.
Excellent work, thank you so much!
From my very limited experience, it is extremely difficult to hold anyone for more than 48 hours; even when it is virtually guaranteed that they are going to return to the behavior that landed them in detention in the first place.
One of the many freedoms Americans enjoy.
Go back out into society without any resources to overcome your illness or addiction, get messed up and hurt somebody bad enough; then you can go to jail.
What a poor example of an effective or viable process.
Re:
An end result of indefinite commitment/detention is something that could happen in theory, but permanently disabled people who are a danger to themselves on grounds of not being able to provide for their needs for survival (i.e. organize eating and drinking water) often are appointed a legal guardian.
If detainees have access to counsel, and are otherwise not stashed away out of sight, it would be very difficult to claim they were an imminent danger to themselves or others due to a mental illness -indefinitely- if that were NOT the case. Perverting the model of civil commitment with its limits on duration, requirements for re-assessment, and requirements for treatment, into a mechanism for imprisonment would be quite a monster creation if the goal was indefinite detention.
Re:
Apart from any criminal culpability for those who may have caused injury, it seems reasonable to me offer some reparation in the form of medical/mental treatment. Perhaps that treatment could be chosen by a detainee to be rendered in his country of origin or some other place that would accept him. Potentially a detainee could choose to receive treatment in the US absent ‘residing’ in the US during that time. Alternatively, I can envision situations where our own medical/mental health professionals advise that serious ongoing treatment is required but a non-mentally ill detainee refuses it. A seizure disorder stemming from a closed head injury with a need for chronic anticonvulsant medication and monitoring is one example. They may refuse treatment, but if not mentally ill, they should be allowed to be free.
One real sticking point might be a detainee who doesn’t have a country outside of the US that will accept them or that they will agree to be sent to. The default situation of being homeless on the streets in the US could be a problem.
Whoa, hold on. “but permanently disabled people who are a danger to themselves on grounds of not being able to provide for their needs for survival (i.e. organize eating and drinking water) often are appointed a legal guardian.” —-so you are consigning the poor to a ‘permanently disabled status”?
Oh,BTW, great post Wavepeac; recommended.
Gee, we could get rid of a whole lot of homeless people by appointing the State as a legal guardian and locking them away in mental health facilities? (That, of course, would require that we properly fund such facilities as well as expand them)
“, it seems reasonable to me offer some reparation in the form of medical/mental treatment. “; yes, but we won’t do it for Iraqi’s we’ve done such to so why would the gummint do it for those incarcerated in Guantanamo?
Oh,BTW, great post Wavepeac; recommended.
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No, but I see where the confusion is. It has nothing to do with being poor. People can be penniless and homeless and do quite well in the world. It happens all the time. It has to do with not having the cognitive capacity or initiative to organize behavior around meeting basic needs for survival – like eating and drinking, for instance. People can fast and not be mentally ill, but there are many cases where people will die specifically due to incapacity from a treatable condition and resume normal self care when they are better. Others, i.e. those with advanced dementia (a progressive irreversible mental illness) require appointment of a legal guardian to assume long term responsibility for decisions that affect survival (24 hour assistance for toileting, bathing, food prep, medications, housing etc.)
“. It has to do with not having the cognitive capacity” is what was missing from the reply you posted.
Having had grandparent with Alzheimers and several friends with parents who had/have alzheimers, I do understand “Others, i.e. those with advanced dementia (a progressive irreversible mental illness)”
Misuse of involuntary commitment happened to a woman in my town. She had a long-standing fight with her next-door neighbors, and they told the judge she was liable to harm herself or others. They listed the batty things she’d done (leaving out what they had done in return) and she was committed to the psych ward for 3 days, where she was told there was nothing wrong with her.
I know of another woman who was involuntarily committed to the state mental hospital in NM years ago, when she was aged, by her son. She was a bother to him, it seemed. She was there for 13 years and started coming to our church when she was found to have been erroneously admitted. Whoops.
We do this to our own neighbors and family–it’s not a stretch at all to think that we could easily do this to detainees. Not at all.
Thanks for elaborating on a point made in EW’s and other blogs earlier.
The way Whitehouse used the example of the civil commitment process suggested he was reaching for a culturally acceptable analogue for keeping people imprisoned against their will. That he picked one that the Soviets so famously abused was curious. Ignorance seems an unlikely excuse. Presumed ignorance in his public, perhaps, or self-sabotage.
The Bush legacy so far accepted by Obama does not suggest his administration intends on granting prisoners the rights provided in civil commitment proceedings: the right to counsel, to mental health therapy, to reviews of decisions before a competent, public, neutral tribunal that uses established public laws and rules and which documents its decisions.
If that were true, it would be far easier to use the federal courts or courts martials under the UCMJ than to establish a novel new procedure that would be open to repeated procedural and substantive challenges, predictably including arguments before the Sup. Ct. Both they and the civil commitment procedure assume that the accused or the alleged dangerous mentally ill person might be declared innocent or not an imminent danger. Obama’s actions so far do not suggest that he accepts that possibility any more than did Bush.
Your and other informed comments on this topic are essential. Mr. Obama seems committed a creature of the middle, not the center, and voices like yours are needed to combat the shouts from the Right. Thanks for raising yours.
wavpeac, that was excellent and enlightening. Thank you.
“Or was he simply trying to rationalize the idea of holding people without a trial?
Being as cynical as I am about politicians, I would be inclined to agree to the rationalization. Å trial would expose treatment and tortures that would greatly embarrass many congresscritters on both sides of the aisle, assuming there are two sides anymore. Trials would show the illegality of interrogation methods and might even lead to a public outcry to prosecute bush&co; something this administration does not want to do. Trials might lead to the release of *dangerous* people and that is the price we pay for being a nation of laws. So are we a nation of laws, or a nation of fear? What about our congress-critters? Are they upholding the Constitution or are they afraid of being tossed out of office by a public that has been indoctrinated with irrational fear?
BTW, I think the threat level today has been raised to *black-watch plaid.” ;D
I keep trying to imagine who would fall into that fifth group that cannot be tried and yet present such a clear threat that they cannot be released. If the threat is clear, a judge should be able to recognize it. It just doesn’t make sense.
There may be some detainees that have been so damaged physically and mentally by torture or isolation that they cannot function and cannot take part or in any way defend themselves in a trial or hearing. If they were abused so horribly that it would embarrass the agencies or officials, the government might resort to the same excuses as they used not to release the last batch of photos. The story of their treatment could be too inflammatory…..and a could be used as a recruitment tool.
It seems that Padilla was turned into a basket case and yet he was handled by the courts ….finally after many evasive and deceptive attempts to keep him out of court. However, he was a citizen and had to be branded a homegrown terrorist. Why is it that homegrown terrorists do not provoke the same kind of reaction or fears or opportunities for fear mongering as do a non-citizen? Yet, we can’t find a place for the non-terrorists like the Uighers.
The last thing we want is for Obama to get Congress to pass some kind of legislation to legitimize a preventative or prolonged detention law and call it a “legitimate legal framework” that can ultimately be abused and misused against anyone officials may consider a threat. Now there is at least lip service paid to accountability. If Congress gets bullied and cowed into passing a “prolonged detention program,” why would anyone bother with hearings or trials in the future?
I cross posted this over at marcy’s plave as well;
remember way back around 2006 when we were all trying to get bush out of Iraq?
I forget who it was but a journalist had said ”bush said he is going to make it impossible for the next president to leave Iraq”
we’ve forgotten that was acutally a plan, and that plan was the plan of the boyking
obama was played and the very worst thing for the ”get out of Iraq” movement was for a democrat to win
now that movement is entirely impotent
and here’s another question;
remember how it made us nuts reading about that “embasy” the size of the vatican?
why aren’t we nuts about that anymore?
…If Congress gets bullied and cowed into passing…
yeah, like *that* could happen.
/s
in using this type of process to detain someone, based on oral or other threats issued by someone, my concerns rest in the area of what then becomes precedent that can then used outside of the area of original intent of the new application..
we keep finding as they usher in new ‘ways’ and ‘protections’ (fisa, patriot act) we then give up more liberties and rights ourselves…
new ways to incarcerate someone based on whether they are a ‘danger’ is a scary thought to me. who gets to determine and decide who is a danger? we already have laws that define it. cookie cutter regulations never end up a good thing…just like releasing bugs to eat one bug become the new bad bug…
ianal, hope that made sense.
In FL, the Baker Act fills this need. It can be abused. Person A can be detained (arrested and confined to a Psych Ward without charges) on the word of Person B and/or a police officer for being deemed a threat to himself or others.
(If Person A exhibits an excited or irrational demeanor when the cops show up, that behavior serves to reinforce the Baker Act against him. He may simply be behaving in such a manner because Person B has unduly threatened him with the Baker Act.)
new ways to incarcerate someone based on whether they are a ‘danger’ is a scary thought to me.
or you could look at it as an assertion that anyone who opposes United States policy is by definition insane….
That’s right Jayt. That’s how easy it is to use Broad Brush Strokes that take away our freedom.
Did you hear that NPR has an upcoming report? The topic debates whether “The White House” (Obama, of course) or Wall Street are responsible for the economic meltdown.
Funny, I never heard from NPR that Republican deregulation (The BUSh White House) and crony capitalism (The Bush White House) could possibly be considered to be responsible for anything bad.
yeah, all depends on who is in charge, doesn’t it? who is doing the interpretation.
and whether your family can afford to fight it.
the reference to russia is ’scary right’…
(how was the race? i looked for you in the crowd on my tv…a friend called right when helio won, with an emergency cream of tartar mousse question…mousse for 30..kinda funny..)
We sound more and more like Nazi Germany and the USSR. We shouldn’t be redefining medical science to fit politics any more than Bush redefined reality to fit his political ambitions.
pretty good race actually, and luckily nobody asked me a single cream of tartar mousse question.
there was a debate in march – i listened to the full length version just for fun:
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..=102312504
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Apparently, gulags are a part of the stimulus package. Change we can hardly f**king believe!
“Happy” Memorial Day, from veteran-musicians.
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but maybe i’m missing the ‘up’ side possibilities of this….people like o’reilly and savage and rust would definitely violate the ‘danger’ to others clause..hmmmm….
nope, best to leave it as it is.
but dreamin’ is free.
great diary, wavpeac. i wish whitehouse would read it and think carefully about what kind of country he wants to help us to be.
ot to dmac – i did get the comment you left me the other day. either i don’t understand or i disagree, but it’s probably not a topic for the threads. thanks though, i very much appreciate your good intentions.
i wish whitehouse would read it and think carefully about what kind of country he wants to help us to be.
I wonder whether he’d ever thought that one through before, and was just shooting one (badly) from the hip…..
Flip their argument what if holding them longer in prison makes them more likely to become Terrorist:)
good, and good. no telling what answer they would have gotten….
The civil commitment courts, criminal courts and military tribunals are not well suited for dealing with pesons accused of being stateles terrorists. The reason is obvious, they were established for other purposes than adjudicating persons accused of being stateless terrorists.
The Constitution offers a good solution. Article III grants Congress the right to “from time to time ordain and establish” courts.
Congress should estabish a court for persons accused of being stateless terrorists. This court would have rules that povide these individuals procedural and substantive due process, but would be tailored to address the special challenges their unique status poses.
hope so. and i’d probably give him the benefit of the doubt if it wasn’t for his unflagging support for telco immunity wrt fisa violations.
A few weeks ago… I would of fit that category…… I could only say a hand full of words, when the steroids were at the highest dosage I was afraid of the stove and could NOT do a lot of things. I had no idea how to wet the washcloth in the shower as an example. Elmore had power of attorney and durable power papers all signed……
As you know… it was the radiation and steroids. Now I am doing my taxes and filling out complicated papers for social security disability….. still have problem with math but then never could calculate in my head….. calculators were invented for me.
Jose Padila and others who had been broken and destroyed mentally ARE our responsibility because Bushco did it to them…… they did it and we need to care for them for the rest of their life or until they improve.
no problemo…
Sorry Wavepeac our current prison standards does cause prisoners to hate the man and freedom means getting even or making up for lost time by indulging in the crimes/sins that got you in prison in the first place look at the number of repeat offenders.
It’s a false dichotomy and a way to imply that all could be Obama’s fault. The more truthful angle is that Bush/Cheney’s disasterous (for us) deregulation, cronies at SEC, FCC, Treas Sec, turned a blind eye to naked short selling and myriad schemes that were criminal.
Or evidence at a war crimes trial the GOP does not want that.
So we know the GOP will fight us but I like it:)
Rationalize holding people he did not think. But you did I like the way you think:)
thanks!
yeah.
How many prisoners are disabled because of the torture but are still or because we made them that way threats to America?
Good Point I’m sure the GOP does not want answered.
the debate wrt who’s to blame is deecee or wallstreet – not obama per se.
siun is upstairs
siun is up
http://firedoglake.com/2009/05…..president/
jinx-pinkie shake.
Sorry OT inspiration! The blogs are a tree branching out just how long did I wait like a seed waiting rain before I dared comment? And how much longer before some commenter responded let alone really praised me?
Just how long before a front pager responded?
Talk about positive feed back loops
Sure we talk about the righty blogs censoring our stuff but with a little encouragement they might have got another regular?
Sure not one of us but how many wavering GOPers did they screen? And then shut out a more open group dynamic helps us grow.
the web of life.
Actually, how about we apply this to the folks proposing it as a solution. If a committee determines that the person who is espousing this view is a threat to the Bill of Rights, they will be indefinitely committed and treated until they come around to seeing the Bill of Rights as a good thing instead of something to be ignored, trashed, and/or burned. Any other volunteers to be on such a committee?
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De nada. Disfrute!
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Wavpeac,
I’m late to the party, but want to join the others in thanking you for taking the time to put together this excellent and valuable essay. We’re already at 57 comments now, and that is testimony to the interest in your subject, and the excellent way you laid it out. Recommended!
Based on this showing, you might even re-post it over at the Great Orange Satan, in order to give this important subject even more exposure.
Thanks,
Bob in HI
I’m sure each of the persons who’ve been held in detention by U.S. government authorities without charge or due process for lo these many years, in egregious violation of basic human rights not to mention the toothless Constitution, have had more than enough American-styled therapy for one lifetime. It’s the Americans who need their heads examined for allowing this to continue one day longer, knowing what they do know at this point.
Sheldon Whitehouse is an idiot if he suggested such a scheme.
Does anyone with a sense of history not find all this grotesquely ironic? When one thinks back to the Brezhnev/Kosygin era of the USSR, Kruschev’s ‘relaxation’ had made wholesale imprisonment in the Gulags politically impossible. One way his successors had of getting around this was to declare an ‘enemy’ insane and lock them away in an mental asylum. It’s fascinating to watch a former federal prosecutor (a ‘liberal’ Democrat) advocate such a policy that was deemed unacceptable in the 1980’s Soviet empire. No mental health professional could possibly find such acyions ethical.
This has such a reek to it. It’s yet another example of the contortions the Democrats are tying themselves into with their irrational desire for by-partisanship with the (literally?) crazy republicans. Preemptive, indefinite imprisonment; unethical confinement in an asylum; warrantless intrusion into individuals’ lives; gulags & torture; wars of aggression, etc. I suggest we simply rename the US the USSR and have done with it!
Well let’s see. I think involuntary commitment requires probate court or criminal court, not guilty by reason of insanity. And then there’s the patients’ bill of rights.
IMHO, it’s so 1950s to think anyone should be held indefinitely without due process for “mental health reasons” It does conjure up images of soviet insanity.
It’s more than problematic. it’s down right disturbing. In ways I can’t describe. Mental illness is illness and should be treated with respect. The government shouldn’t be allowed to hit someone over the head and treat mental health facilities like the damaged goods bin. It’s despicable. It’s insulting to those with illness (inherited or otherwise) and a violation of civil rights. And thinking of those detainees who were victims of circumstance and then the government. . .
Russ Feingold (PDF) May 22
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” Among the issues Congress must consider carefully is any resumption of the use of military
commissions. Like you, I voted against the Military Commissions Act of 2006. I agree with you
with regard to that statute’s many flaws, but it is not clear to me that those flaws can be fixed, or
that the other options in the current federal criminal justice and courts martial systems for
bringing the detainees to justice are insufficient or unworkable. If Congress is to fully consider
your proposal for military commissions, therefore, it will need access to the same information
your administration is currently reviewing, including detailed, classified information on
individual detainees and the extent to which other options are available.
My primary concern, however, relates to your reference to the possibility of indefinite detention
without trial for certain detainees. While I appreciate your good faith desire to at least enact a
statutory basis for such a regime, any system that permits the government to indefinitely detain
individuals without charge or without a meaningful opportunity to have accusations against them
adjudicated by an impartial arbiter violates basic American values and is likely unconstitutional.
While I recognize that your administration inherited detainees who, because of torture, other
forms of coercive interrogations, or other problems related to their detention or the evidence
against them, pose considerable challenges to prosecution, holding them indefinitely without trial
is inconsistent with the respect for the rule of law that the rest of your speech so eloquently
invoked. Indeed, such detention is a hallmark of abusive systems that we have historically
criticized around the world. It is hard to imagine that our country would regard as acceptable a
system in another country where an individual other than a prisoner of war is held indefinitely
without charge or trial.
I appreciate your efforts to reach out to Congress on this important issue. In that spirit, I intend
to hold a hearing in the Constitution Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee in June
and ask that you make a top official or officials from the Department of Justice available to
testify. I recognize that your plans are not yet fully formed, but it is important to begin this
discussion immediately, before you reach a final decision. I will be sending formal invitations in
the coming weeks and look forward to hearing the testimony of your administration. “
http://feingold.senate.gov/pdf…..052209.pdf