Yesterday Matt Yglesias wrote:
I don’t blame candidate for doing what they think will win the election.
He couldn’t be more wrong.
Candidates are ultimately responsible for the campaigns they run. Boundaries are set from the top. When advisors cross the invisible line, they are removed. For example, after Samantha Power called Hillary a “monster” she was removed from the campaign.
In 1988, Michael Dukakis fired his Campaign Manager John Sasso and Political Director Paul Tully for releasing an “attack video” against Joe Biden.
I like negative politics. Defining your opponents is a vital part of winning elections, but there are lines that should never be crossed. When a campaign is so negative that it inspires crowds to spew racial epithets, you’ve probably gone to far.
Right now, John McCain has sunk so far down in the mud that pigs are complaining he’s messing up their sty. TPM has summed up the strategy:
John McCain’s latest gambit is to juice up his and Palin’s crowds into calling Obama a "terrorist", hurling racial epithets at black reporters (presumably, there aren’t many in attendance as supporters), or just random calls for murder. This morning there was more ..
In the latest instance of inflammatory outbursts at McCain-Palin rallies, a crowd member screamed "treason!" during an event on Tuesday after Sarah Palin accused Barack Obama of criticizing U.S. troops.
"[Obama] said, too, that our troops in Afghanistan are ‘air raiding villages and killing civilians,’" Palin said, mischaracterizing a 2007 remark by Obama. "I hope Americans know that is not what our brave men and women in uniform are doing in Afghanistan. The U.S. military is fighting terrorism and protecting us and protecting our freedom."
Shortly afterward, a male member of the crowd in Jacksonville, Florida, yelled "treason!" loudly enough to be picked up by television microphones.
It’s clear John McCain will do or say anything to win. So why does it matter?
In 2000 George Bush decided he would do or say anything to win, smearing John McCain with a vicious campaign of lies in South Carolina. After the election was over we were told to put the past in the past. Elections were one thing, governing is another and George W. Bush was a uniter.
However if your campaign will do or say anything to win the Presidency, you will do or say anything while you are governing to hold onto power. Instead of smearing John McCain, George Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove sought to destroy Joe Wilson. When the law said he couldn’t wiretap or torture, he did it anyway. U.S. Attorney’s who didn’t fall in line – fired.
The way George Bush ran his campaign in 2000 mirrored his Presidency – slimy, underhanded, with no sense of basic decency. The way John McCain is running his campaign now, will reflect how he conducts himself as president.





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Damn straight. Well said.
(And the same applies to those Obama supporters who advocate dropping down to McCain’s level of dirtiness under the theory that “we gotta do what we gotta do to win.”)
Excellent point, Ari.
OT question – are you going to post another open thread for people to make comments regarding problems/suggestions for Oxdown?
Sure. But for now, Whats up?
Just wondered if you can make the font (color) darker for the quotes. The fonts at FDL are gray and a little hard to read anyway but the quotes are really light. I know I can change the contrast but then everything looks weird at the other sites.
good idea
Sarah Palin pit bull or pit viper w/ lipstick?
So my 15 year old is right. McC’s statement of “That one!” with the “police line point” was no mistake.
His intention is to paint Obama as a criminal.
“What a jerk he is,” said my son about McCain.
Biden’s starting to fight back:
“I watched the news and I heard a couple people hollering from the audience semi-vile things about ‘terrorists,’ things like that,” Biden said on NBC’s Today show. “The idea that a leading American politician who might be vice president of the United States would not just stop mid-sentence and turn and condemn that — it’s just a slippery slope, it’s a place that we shouldn’t be going.”
That one sliped by me, a police line up
Kids
Of course Mcnutjob is showing us what his real character is. I have no reason to think these attacks against BO are out of character for Mcnutjob. His explosive temper is no secret.
A personality only a dung beetle would love.
But Ari! Don’t you know? McCain’s a POW so that makes it alright, no matter what he says. After all he’s a POW and we all know it just is breaking him up to have to say all these things or have his staff say them about Obama. /s
After 8 years with W., I do feel like a fellow prisoner…
The people that are foaming at the mouth with all this “Hussien” and “terrorist” shit at the rallies are already where they are. Complaining about brings the same old bullshit, “we condemn it but it’s just his name”. Fuck em, ignore it.It’s not going to change shit.
McCain is not putting the Country First nope he is trying to divide the country.
Keeping a positive message on the freeways anyway:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..baysf.html
first one’s a beaut – don’t know how long it stayed up though…
But they are so funny to laugh at and when we laugh at them we make the wavering independent voter think a vote for McCain is unfashionable.
Their is a whole generation of ingroupers who are joining us now because we are the ingroup now we are sooo Cool.
Although I worry what these ingroupers will do to the party long term?
Maybe they will join the DLC and the Blue Dogs? This could be a problem.
still mulling over McCain’s PA stump speech today, did the look of McCain’s daughter remind anyone else of a cross between Wendy O. Williams and Molly from “Little House on the Prairie” ?
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Keep up the good work you make us all proud!
At the time, I thought Obama’s removal of Samantha Power was bit of an overreaction. In retrospect, it was consistent with his effort to take the (relative) high road, despite Cindy McCain’s opinion that Obama has waged the dirtiest campaign in U.S. history.
I think McShame has a different definition of “the country” than you do
He put it in an even better perspective. My son noted the police line up point of “that one” was a subtle direction towards racial profiling, election style.
It’s not just “kids”…It’s “smart, perceptive kids!”
Our local hate radio, WTKK, has two hatejocks making light of
“that one”
as I write.
These geniuses are laughing because people who appreciate Obama – Communists, we’re called – find it offensive.
Now they’re handling the “kill him” remark.
They find it so laughable that people have problems with Sarah Palin.
Twin geniuses brought to Boston by Republican hate radio.
I noticed today that Palin dropped the terrorist lines…at least in her intro to McLoonybin. We’ll see if she picks it up again when campaigning on her own.
Obama and friends.
http://video.google.com/videop…..#038;vt=lf
The “kill him” shout out happened at a McCain rally too. I wonder if it is the same guy…???
Any lawyers here???
Aren’t there laws against inciting violence?
I’m pretty certain that in his “prisoners” remark, McCain was channeling Krusty from “Krusty the Klown Prison Special.”
Yeah I know I’m not part of his America.
Sorry my comment at 29 was for Foothillsmike
We need to provide the rethugs with new signs at their rallies
Republican Sleazefest
IOKIYAR
The way George Bush ran his campaign in 2000 mirrored his Presidency – slimy, underhanded, with no sense of basic decency.
But, but, he said he was going to restore honor to the White House.
Hmm, I’ll retract that. Maybe GWB did restore his definition of Honor. The Nixon Republican kind of Honor.
Hmmmm………
They were saying it was at Sarah Palin’s thing.
27 – I was just about to ask about inciting mob violence, because that’s where some of this is headed.
I’m waiting for someone with power to call on radio stations and presidential candidates to stop inciting these crowds.
Yeah before some dark person gets hurt just by being to near a Sarah crowd.
You got THAT RIGHT! Ari!!
thanks,
and let us digg!
I wonder if after McCain loses will the racists turn on the GOP because the GOP is dragging down their popularity?
Dugg:)
You go, big guy!
Bush will have fulfilled that promise if a Republic never occupies the White House again.
McCain has given up. He has to know that his tactics are infuriating Republican moderates in states he has to win (VA, MO, OH) to stay alive. He down to protecting his base and hoping for a miracle. Protecting his base means protecting AZ and TX. In both of these states his lead appears to be down to single digits. The insult from losing them would be insupportable. He doesn’t want to win anymore. He just wants to save some of the furniture.
I wonder if the racists will turn on Sarah because she is a sterotype of the dumb racist?
Wait. The cold, dead body of Osama bin Laden will go on display Nov 1.
She’s not dumb by their standard.
Isn’t his “new” proposal to buy the mortgages of the houses in foreclosure to redo the payments so the people can stay in them infuriating the base? Will they bother to vote for him or vote for Bob Barr
These people own this stuff.
There are tapes of what they say day after day.
Good point is McCain trying to hold the south and the west for the GOP to prevent the GOP from losing the Senate Filibuster?
Going racists might have worked…before the dow crashed and the banks got a bailout.
Lower incomes in the south and west however should force people to choose with their pocket book and Dems are trusted way more on the economy.
Hate is a luxury that fewer and fewer people can afford thanks to Bush.
New Ian up over at the Mothership
Well, that raises the question: are there any *smart* racists?
Certainly not in the sense that those of us who populate the Lake understand the term.
And why are you even engaging with this numbskull Yglesias?
1,789 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Ari and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
This election is gunna give America the chance ta not only remake the economy and restore some semblance of constitutional governance but to discredit and isolate fascism in our politics and maybe put a big crack in the oligarchy that has bled our country and the world almost dry lo these last 148 years. To accomplish this, however, an Obama administration must: purge the Democratic Party leadership of all corporatists, use the first 100 days to implement a new “New Deal” that includes reducing the FICA tax and removing the cap entirely, eliminating the Bush tax cuts for those over $250,000 and adding at least 3 more brackets above $1million to a top of 75%. Beyond this, the Obama Justice Department must include an Office of Special Prosecutor that includes specifically instructed prosecutors to investigate war profiteering and possible RICO violations by companies and trusts that include Haliburton, Brown and Root, the Carlyle Group and the families of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. The Special Prosecutors should also be tasked to investigate the lead up to the war in Iraq and the exposure of Valery Plame and there must be a Special Prosecutor to investigate violations of the Voting Rights Act and other statutes pertaining to the stealing of the elections in 2000 and 2004 regardless of the statute of limitations. These Justice Department Special Prosecutors could initiate our own American version of the “truth and reconcilliation” process carried out in South Africa with mandates from the Attny. Gen to issue written reports at the conclusion of the investigations.
If we do these things I think we can get ourselves out from under the iron boot of our oligarchy and leave our children to pay the debt of our retirements and funerals and not the ongoing satisfaction of the appetites of the children of wealth and priviledge.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITOON, AND REMEMBER THAT FASCISTS WON’T GO AWAY BY THEMSELVES…JEST ASK THE GERMANS!!!
Oh God -
I have turn it off. They are telling Liberals to read the Constitution.
And now we’re going to go after minorities and mortgages.
That’s it.
I know it’s past tense but … the Nazis. The KKK; many politicians were in the KKK like Robert Bird, and judges, lawyers, doctors, engineers …etc
Not admirable, but many highly intelligent people took part in mass murder and/or hate crimes
I don’t see anything in the discussion or comments that refutes Yglesias’ statement.
Obama has made more than a few exaggerated or false claims about McCain and his policies. Are you willing to concede that such false claims mean that Obama is also going to tend to a equal degree of dishonesty as President? Probably not. To do so would mean rejecting the Obama candidacy as fundamentally untrustworthy.
What exactly is gained by blaming the candidate for offensive messages delivered on behalf of his campaign? Assigning blame has long struck me as among the most useless of idle human activities. Most certainly, it has nothing to do with holding an individual responsible for his or her own actions.
Thanks.
mp
” “[Obama] said, too, that our troops in Afghanistan are ‘air raiding villages and killing civilians,’” Palin said, mischaracterizing a 2007 remark by Obama. “I hope Americans know that is not what our brave men and women in uniform are doing in Afghanistan.” ” — Ari
Wait a minute. I thought strafing and killing, er strafin’ & killin’ innocent civilians was what the Republicans were in favor of.
This is so confusing. First they’re yelling, “kill kill kill” or “kill baby kill” and then it’s all, “no no, we don’t do that”. Is there no rhyme or reason to the McCain campaign.