McClatchy’s Nancy Youseff reports that a principal reason Obama reversed himself on the release of further pictures of detainee abuse is because Iraq Prime Minister Maliki protested there would be major violence in Iraq that would force an earlier US withdrawal.
President Barack Obama reversed his decision to release detainee abuse photos from Iraq and Afghanistan after Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki warned that Iraq would erupt into violence and that Iraqis would demand that U.S. troops withdraw from Iraq a year earlier than planned, two U.S. military officers, a senior defense official and a State Department official have told McClatchy. . . .
When U.S. officials told Maliki, "he went pale in the face," said a U.S. military official, who along with others requested anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.
The official said Maliki warned that releasing the photos would lead to more violence that could delay the scheduled U.S. withdrawal from cities by June 30 and that Iraqis wouldn’t make a distinction between old and new photos. The public outrage and increase in violence could lead Iraqis to demand a referendum on the security agreement and refuse to permit U.S. forces to stay until the end of 2011.
Maliki said, "Baghdad will burn" if the photos are released, said a second U.S. military official.
The article goes on to describe efforts by US commanders to convince Obama to withhold the photos, re-enforcing the arguments from Maliki.
But put aside, for the moment, what this says about the photos. What does it say about our continued occupation?
If the Iraqi people had further photo confirmation of US military behavior, coupled with the apparent failure of US authorities — including the current White House and Justice Department — to hold senior officials accountable, the report says Iraqis would demand the US military get out of their country sooner.
That reaction sounds perfectly rational and morally justified to me. I can’t think of any reason why a self-respecting nation or its citizens should tolerate the presence of foreign troops whose government long ago forfeited any claim that its occupation is/was a moral or beneficent influence and that couldn’t even deal honestly with it’s own egregious misconduct.
But the official US policy is this: If the Iraqis started using more violence to protest our continued presence in their country (and their government’s acquiescence in that occupation), we’d have to remain there and use force to counter the violence.
If this incoherent, boot-strapping rationale is the best we can come up with for our/Obama’s Iraq policy, I’d said its time for us to get out. The issue isn’t just the photos; it’s the unthinking, unexamined presumptuousness of the occupation. We no longer have any moral claim, any valid justification for being there, if we ever had one.
We need to end that occupation; then apologize, come home and, as General Sanchez said on Countdown, try to confront what we’ve done to them, and to ourselves, and ask why/how we let it happen. And while we’re doing this, it is we who need to be looking at the photos, not just the Iraqis.





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The truth should set us (especially our troops) free.
Release the photos. Rape is torture. Rape is a war crime. War crimes need to be prosecuted. Cheney will not be prosecuted unless the photos are released. Release the photos.
Who’s running this country, anyhow?
Criminals who are accessories after the fact (if not before) to rape and torture, but it’s more than just our constitution that’s being held down with it’s legs apart.
As others have written, the photos in and of themselves are important.
Certain photos from the Viet Nam war were key to changing public opinion.
The photos did what millions of written words did not.
The photos need to be released.
i am deeply skeptical of this report. no named sources, no iraqi sources, just “two U.S. military officers, a senior defense official and a State Department official.”
At least it’s a real reason, and not a made-up one. The United States would have been between a rock and a very hard place had the Iraqi’s (they might still do it) voted down the agreement. That was the problem, not the violence against our troops. We’re trapped there.
Knut: Is it honestly a “real” reason … or have they finally come up with one you will accept? IMO, they’re spinning like a top. If this doesn’t work to shut everyone up, they’ll just come up with a new reason next week.
McChrystal’s selection shows who really runs the show: Cheney.
Support the Troops, Bring them home! After that then we all can take a look at these photos and see, without putting our troops in further harm’s way, what exactly happened. If these photos are really bad we definetely should not release them while our troops are still in Iraq.
End that occupation? Not yet. I’m sure someone from the brave Bush family is almost ready to serve.
Mornin’ Scarecrow -
just a little note about General Sanchez – he’s in it up to his eyeballs and knew plenty even before Darby released the 04 pictures(see Taguba)- and yet wants to have a public airing. makes me think he has (or thinks he has)some kind of get-out-of-jail-free card with which to shiv a higher up -
And in my opinion, that is *all* of us.
Our nation and our honor were hijacked.
This is no trivial thing, and “I voted for Gore/Kerry” is not sufficient to reverse the damage.
(I am speaking to myself as much as anyone else here)
Can you spell “Quagmire” ?
Great post Scarecrow.
Obama needs to get Bush/Chaney prosecutions back ON the table, ASAP! Prez Obama has boxed himself in with the very evidence that would convict GWB of an illeagal war against Iraq and torture policy toward some innocent Iraq soldiers and citizens. Obama is taking credit for the Bush/Chaney war crimes…what the hell is behind this stupidity?
Watching the hearing with McChrystal now – the Senate Armed Services Committee is certainly not interested in pursuing these issues.
quel surprise
Why’d Obama switch on detainee photos? Maliki went ballistic… McClatchy.
“This story is false and a disgrace for McClatchy. It was clearly planted by the U.S. military. There is actually no quote or whatsoever from the Iraqi government in it. The people mentioned are “two U.S. military officers, a senior defense official and a State Department official” who’s say so is taken as non-interested neutral witnesses.”
http://www.moonofalabama.org/
agree.
the only thing that will “burn” upon the release of these photos is someone’s 3rd or 4th star
gotta go, bbl, thanks for the clarifying post ‘Crow
Maybe this is the same U.S. military official who claimed that the Taliban slaughtered their own people with grenades in Garani, riiiiight.
What a paltry cover story, credible only to those who yearn to believe that President Obama wants very much to do the right thing.
If those few hundred seee-crit photos are released, why, the Iraqi people might find out what is being done to them in the many many dungeons the US maintains in their country!
no, actually, those who get out alive are perfectly capable of relating what they have been through, these photos contain no surprises to the victims.
Its the American people, in whose name these horrific actions were done, who cannot be allowed to see the hideous actions their politicians are covering up.
Obama shows he has bought into the mindset that allowed us to attack and invade Iraq. Obama is a complex person but his actions display a shallowness and lack of empathy for the effects of US militarism.
Great post, Scarecrow.
Which “senior defense official”? Was it by any chance someone affiliated with Geoffrey Miller?
There is a lot of politics going on with these leaks to the press. When is someone going on the record with this?
I am not surprised that a “senior defense official” might justify censorship by holding hostage what the public wants — getting troops out of Iraq. But is this really the reasoning?
The politics over this seems so intense that I would take most unsourced reports with big grains of salt.
And the press can even mangle the sourced reports, as the Telegraph did with its claims about what Gen. Taguba had said.
My suspicion is that some folks in DoD might be buying time to sort through the photos and identify the not-safe-for-release ones. Just a SWAG.
I must respectfully disagree. What this shows is that the tools of power are the same no matter who wields them, and Imperial commitments are the same regardless of whose job it is to honor them.
A soft landing for the Empire, or a crash…these are what will change the paradigm. And when the paradigm DOES shift, it will simply be someone else’s Empire.
Your opinion seems like the most plausible to me. Many things so far especially wrt Iraq points to a continuation of Bush (Cheney, really) policy.
OT: Pawlenty to not seek third term in MN. per MSNBC
well stated, Scarecrow, Jan 5, 2009.
Almost one Friedman Unit later, how is this President doing at furthering international peace and justice?
the question kind of crumbles to absurdity when you consider its premise . . that Presidents are interested in fostering international peace and justice.
Have you heard of a guy called Noam Chomsky? He has volumes of writing, heavily sourced, that render laughable the notion that the Presidency of the United States is a positive factor in international peace and justice.
so, congrats on the bracing honesty of the call for troops out, but what about continued support of the Democratic Party when they inevitably continue the occupation through 2010, 2012, and beyond?
The public outrage and increase in violence could lead Iraqis to demand a referendum on the security agreement and refuse to permit U.S. forces to stay until the end of 2011.
Works for me. Let’s get the hell out now.
But noooooooooooooooo our military industrial complex wants us there for another decade.
bernhard has a great track record (and is 100x smarter than me). the more i think about this one, the more i think it is propaganda – probably meant to shape opinion in favor of obamaco.
Obama brand still so strong post-election, there is little buzz thanks to media too, of course, on torture horrors. American burn-out, cultural narcissism, too many fresh hells, authoritarian follow-ship?
How can Obama back Rumsfeld/Cheney golden boy? How desensitized can he be to civilian deaths? Is he convinced killing anti-Americans in the Mid-East will leave the pro-Americans? Is anyone left over there pro-American or does the military consider those scared sh*tless pro-American? But those people get killed, too, don’t they? But American imperialism seems so little about the welfare of the citizenry. Opportunism. Economic and military domination and gamesmanship. Corporate puppet masters behind US government and military.
From book salon Sat. Dr. Jurgen T. emphasized Iraq resistance is 100,000 strong in Iraq v. al Q. which is 1-2,000. Resisters fighting both US and al Q. But media myth is they are all al Q. Never reports the anti-Americans fighting both US and al Q.
As we shatter families via death or maiming far away and impersonal or raping and torturing up close and personal, those broken homes and families let loose traumatized children ripe for Taliban indoctrination to become suicide bombers, killers, misogynists for bare essentials and identity or they take resistance path to fight the destroyers of their quality of life and their loved ones. Another troop of lost and dangerous authoritarian followers. That is how the Taliban came to be itself. We armed the Taliban against Russia. Destroyed and isolated children survivors without healthy nurturance and security of a family unit are ripe for indoctrination or self -destruction or other destruction.
Biblical proportion exodus of families in Pakistan.
All this blood is bottom line about oil. $800 billion military budget for us, Obama increased 4 per cent despite our economy. How that money would nurture us and the globe, rather than breeding destruction.
We are in the dark ages.
When did we ever?
The violence in Iraq is direct function of the U.S. invasion and occupation. It’s the Americans who need the enlightened about what’s been done in their behalf in Iraq. The Iraqi’s are already fully apprised of the crimes committed in our name.
I submit the article offers a convenient out for Obama and that is the only reason it was printed.
Thanks for a great post, as always. The American leaderships being always terrified of moral accountability astounds me; saddens me. Interesting that Cheney is being quoted today as saying there never was a connection between Iraq and 9/11. Thanks to General Sanchez for saying we need to release the photos and come to terms with our reality. Thanks to Scarecrow for saying this is all about morality; thanks for always saying that.
Blessings to all,
Maliki is the US’s usual fool. He gets no respect in any area, so that article was worthy of what Pravada used to be; an A+ on the propaganda chart. Sanchez is a frigging liar and one of the original torture enablers. Iraq was a Geneva Convention theatre and I am sure he knew that. His policies were a direct cause of abuse in Iraq.
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“(U) On September 14,2003 the Commander of CJTF-7, Lieutenant General Ricardo
Sanchez, issued the first CJTF-7 interrogation SOP. That SOP authorized interrogators in Iraq to
use stress positions, environmental manipulation, sleep management, and military working dogs
in interrogations. Lieutenant General Sanchez issued the September 14, 2003 policy with the
knowledge that there were ongoing discussions about the legality of some ofthe approved
techniques. Responding to legal concerns from CENTCOM lawyers about those techniques,
Lieutenant General Sanchez issued a new policy on October 12,2003, eliminating many of the
previously authorized aggressive techniques. The new policy, however, contained ambiguities
with respect to certain techniques, such as the use of dogs in interrogations, and led to confusion
about which techniques were permitted.
Conclusion 8: Detainee abuse occurred during JPRA’s support to Special Mission Unit (SMU)
Task Force (TF) interrogation operations in Iraq in September 2003. JPRA Commander Colonel
Randy Moulton’s authorization of SERE instructors, who had no experience in detainee
interrogations, to actively participate in Task Force interrogations using SERE resistance training
techniques was a serious failure in judgment. The Special Mission Unit Task Force
Commander’s failure to order that SERE resistance training techniques not be used in detainee
interrogations was a serious failure in leadership that led to the abuse of detainees in Task Force
custody. Iraq is a Geneva Convention theater and techniques used in SERE school are
inconsistent with the obligations of U.S. personnel under the Geneva Conventions.
Conclusion 17: Interrogation policies approved by Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, which
included the use of military working dogs and stress positions, were a direct cause of detainee
abuse in Iraq. Lieutenant General Sanchez’s decision to issue his September 14,2003 policy
with the knowledge that there were ongoing discussions as to the legality of some techniques in
it was a serious error in judgment The September policy was superseded on October 12,2003
as a result of legal concerns raised by U.S. Central Command. That superseding policy,
however, contained ambiguities and contributed to confusion about whether aggressive
techniques, such as military working dogs, were authorized for use during interrogations.
Conclusion 18: U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) failed to conduct proper oversight of
Special Mission Unit Task Force interrogation policies. Though aggressive interrogation
techniques were removed from Combined Joint Task Force 7 interrogation policies after
CENTCOM raised legal concerns about their inclusion in the September 14, 2003 policy issued
by Lieutenant General Sanchez, SMU TF interrogation policies authorized some of those same
techniques, including stress positions and military working dogs.
Conclusion 19: The abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib in late 2003 was not simply the result of a
few soldiers acting on their own. Interrogation techniques such as stripping detainees of their
clothes, placing them in stress positions, and using military working dogs to intimidate them
appeared in Iraq only after they had been approved for use in Afghanistan and at GTMO.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s December 2,2002 authorization of aggressive
interrogation techniques and subsequent interrogation policies and plans approved by senior
military and civilian officials conveyed the message that physical pressures and degradation were
appropriate treatment for detainees in U.S. military custody. What followed was an erosion in
standards dictating that detainees be treated humanely. “
UNCLASSIFIED
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http://armed-services.senate.g…..202009.pdf
Positive news from yesterday.
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” In an important ruling affecting the public’s access to records regarding the cases of Guantánamo detainees, a federal court today denied a government motion to seal unclassified information related to those cases. Judge Thomas F. Hogan of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, citing a “First Amendment and common law right to access” judicial records, ruled that the government cannot suppress unclassified documents and must seek court approval to seal specific information.
The following can be attributed to Jonathan Hafetz, attorney with the ACLU National Security Project:
“Today’s decision is a victory for transparency. For far too long, the government has succeeded in keeping information about Guantánamo secret, and used secrecy to cover-up illegal detention and abuse. The decision marks an important step towards restoring America’s open court tradition that is essential to both accountability and the rule of law.” “
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/d…..90601.html
Which is why he wants a “truth commission”. He wants some immunization for his testimony about what actually went on.
I forgot to warn that link is to a PDF.
How convenient for Odierno, who was so integrally interwoven in all the detainee abuse issues, that Maliki who is so reliant on US forces parroted back the theme Odierno had been pushing.
But let’s take a look for a moment at the concern that Baghdad might not want the US SOFA, which gives US soldiers carte blanche to abuse Iraqis with no concerns about Iraqi law, if the pictures are released. If you could really show that people had been punished for what they did, it wouldn’t be such a tough sales job to sell Iraqis on allowing US law to deal with the crimes against Iraqis.
But anyone who examines what Obama has promoted – a policy of get out of jail free and get pats on the back and called patriots for torturing Iraqis, Afghans and other Muslims, and engaging in sexually depraved acts, ranging from the forced nudity through rape and sodomy with objects, towards them as well – it’s not so much the pictures as the complete and cavalier lack of accountability that Obama promotes that is the problem.
You can be sure about that one. That is what they all want.
I’m with selise at (6); this article is poorly sourced and it could just as easily play into Cheney’s hands (or been put up by his left-behinds).
What I don’t want to see ever again is helicopters on rooftops with evacuees hanging off them, a la Vietnam.
If that means we do an orderly exit, so be it. If we have real intel which indicates the photos will cause a disorderly exit, then I’m okay with release after troops have left the country — but well before the end of Obama’s term.
Targeting civilians is a war crime. A technicality comes into play here because war was never declared on Iraq or Afghanistan. The infamous War on Terror was the ultimate stay out of jail free card, or so they thought. War on an ideology..how convenient.. and never ending. If war was not declared, does that not make all of these deaths cases of outright murder?
” Milton Bearden, a former Central Intelligence Agency Pakistan station chief who served at the agency for three decades, says claims that the Bush administration’s so-called enhanced interrogation techniques saved American lives are likely false.
The retired senior CIA officer also says that the former administration’s repeated assertions that attacks were foiled through torture are hurting US credibility abroad, endangering alliances and aiding the cause of would-be terrorists.
Bearden, who formerly headed the CIA’s Soviet/East European Division and served as station chief in Pakistan, Nigeria and Sudan, was a key figure in the funding and training of the mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. He retired in 1994 but says he has communicated with contacts who agree they’ve heard of no evidence to support Bush officials’ claims.
If the Bush administration had proof of a plot stopped by enhanced interrogation, they would have produced it, Bearden says. “I cannot imagine that the system would not have leaked such a story,” he insists. “It would have been leaked in a New York minute.”
Perhaps most significantly, Bearden believes that by making unsubstantiated claims of success in preventing attacks, the Bush administration has actually undermined US alliances with other nations. Bearden and the others he’s communicated with have not heard of any significant plots against the United States that were uncovered by the Bush administration’s harsh techniques — and that, he says, weakens US standing in the world. “
http://rawstory.com/08/news/20…..ns-claims/
Exactly. The lack of accountability is the reason why the coverup – not releasing the photos — has to continue in the minds of those who don’t have the courage/stomach/integrity to confront what the nation has done.
The “bloodbath if we leave too early” argument is strong, especially in light of what happened to the Shia community after Bush I promised Shiites that we’d back them if they rose up against Saddam after the Gulf War.
To Scarecrow @ 40, Obama knows what the nation has done, but how’d you like to be in his position? Don’t release the photos, catch (justified) flak from the Dem base, release the photos, and an increase in US troop deaths becomes a reality if Maliki is correct.
Using Maliki’s alleged fear of Iraq burning distracts from this that was reported last Friday. Petraeous is calling the shots, not Maliki.
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” In court documents filed this week, Gen. David Petraeus — the top U.S. commander in the region — argued that public access would have a “destabilizing effect” on Pakistan and other U.S. partners in the battle against al Qaeda.
“Newly released photos depicting abuse of detainees in U.S. military custody in Afghanistan and Iraq would negatively affect the ongoing efforts by Pakistan to counter its internal extremist threat,” wrote Petraeus, the chief of U.S. Central Command.
U.S. allies in the region already “struggle with their populations’ perceptions that they are merely instruments of the U.S. government and do not have their citizens’ best interests at heart,” and releasing the images “would likely deal a particularly hard blow” to American efforts in those countries, he stated.
He predicted that a likely result of the photos’ release would be “civil unrest via spontaneous demonstrations in Pakistan’s largest cities.” “
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI…..ee.photos/
You put your finger on the truths that all Americans already know at some level, but are still loathe to enunciate: we lost the wars and we deserved to lose. Once we’ve admitted this, we will need to ask why and how we let it all happen.
The White House and Congress take their current, incoherent approach to the wars because they want to avoid the asking of the above questions at all costs. Official Washington realizes that, once the focus of interest in the wars turns inwards, there will be consequences. The process will take on a life of its own and no one in power will be safe.
As someone somewhere this morning pointed out, “two U.S. military officers, a senior defense official and a State Department official have told McClatchy. . .” do NOT make for a legit claim to the posit that al Maliki put pressure on.
All the article REALLY gives as attribution is the phrase captured above.
This is NOT a reliable sourcing job, this is NOT a reliable article, and it reeks of US Military/Pentagon spin.
Please consider this information when reflecting on the pro’s/cons’s of releasing the pics.
I believe this article was spin, spin, spin. YMMV.
On the Democracy Now radio show this morning (6-2-09), it was announced that we have 240,000 contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess that Obama wants to continue our illegal, criminal hostile military occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq for as long as possible. Obama is just another lying imperialist pig, like Bush and Cheney.
I agree – it was entirely predictable, and predicted, that a Democratic President would continue his predecessors policies.
just out of curiosity, did you vote for the guy?
yes/no, how do you feel about that?
I didn’t, no way I would’ve, and I feel great about it, especially when photos of civilian victims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq are going around.
Progressives cheering on their new quarterback would do well to contemplate such photos – they are a logical outcome of what they supported.
I feel this is especially troubling given the U.S. efforts to stop wartime rape in places like the Congo, Darfur & Liberia. It’s too easy to pretend that wartime rape is something that happens “over there” by foreign soldiers, instead of something that’s endemic to war in general. I wrote a piece about this for the California NOW blog.
“We no longer have any moral claim, any valid justification
for being there, if we ever had one.”
No, there was NEVER ANY moral claim, NO valid justification, for being there. To even suggest there could have been is Overton Window stuff.
The Iraqis already know, and I’ll bet have already processed, these atrocities. The only burning in Baghdad would likely be led by the usual provocateurs, some of whom could well be “ours.”
But what if instead of just throwing the images out there, the release were part of an announcement of an official, public inquiry of some kind, coupled with a draft departure schedule? There just might be enough people in Iraq who are astute enough to point out that at least we’re doing something about it now and getting ready to go, and encourage others to get along with Iraqi business. Whether anyone writes headlines about it or not, it has seemed for a couple of years now as if there’s a powerful tendency in the direction of getting on with it in Iraqi society; maybe some of those bsd psy-ops folk we’re supposed to have can help set up a campaign that would make the whole thing seem credible long enough for it actually to get done.
At this point, anything short of an amnesty-granting body would be fine with me, so long as the issue can finally stop taking up precious psychic space. I hope Pres. Obama realizes that the matter of torture is going to be in his way until it is confronted, just because it’s the nature of the thing.