
Dick Cheney: al Qaeda recruitment lifetime achievement award winner.
Just five days after September 11, 2001, Dick Cheney appeared on Meet the Press and delivered the news that the United States would abandon its moral standing in the fight against terror:
MR. RUSSERT: When Osama bin Laden took responsibility for blowing up the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, U.S. embassies, several hundred died, the United States launched 60 tomahawk missiles into his training sites in Afghanistan. It only emboldened him. It only inspired him and seemed even to increase his recruitment. Is it safe to say that that kind of response is not something we’re considering, in that kind of minute magnitude?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I’m going to be careful here, Tim, because I – clearly it would be inappropriate for me to talk about operational matters, specific options or the kinds of activities we might undertake going forward. We do, indeed, though, have, obviously, the world’s finest military. They’ve got a broad range of capabilities. And they may well be given missions in connection with this overall task and strategy.
We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will. We’ve got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we’re going to be successful. That’s the world these folks operate in, and so it’s going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective.
It’s bad enough that Cheney uses the euphemism of "sort of the dark side", and most quotations of this appearance stop here. However, the next question and answer are just as revealing:
MR. RUSSERT: There have been restrictions placed on the United States intelligence gathering, reluctance to use unsavory characters, those who violated human rights, to assist in intelligence gathering. Will we lift some of those restrictions?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: Oh, I think so. I think the – one of the by-products, if you will, of this tragic set of circumstances is that we’ll see a very thorough sort of reassessment of how we operate and the kinds of people we deal with. There’s – if you’re going to deal only with sort of officially approved, certified good guys, you’re not going to find out what the bad guys are doing. You need to be able to penetrate these organizations. You need to have on the payroll some very unsavory characters if, in fact, you’re going to be able to learn all that needs to be learned in order to forestall these kinds of activities. It is a mean, nasty, dangerous dirty business out there, and we have to operate in that arena. I’m convinced we can do it; we can do it successfully. But we need to make certain that we have not tied the hands, if you will, of our intelligence communities in terms of accomplishing their mission.
[Emphasis added on both quotations above.]
Cheney and Russert spell it out quite clearly here. The old days of intelligence gathering being subject to rules relating to human rights are over. We have to work "the dark side" because "it’s a mean, nasty, dirty business out there". Cheney throws out the history of the US dealing with "existential threats" many times in its past without abandoning its moral standing and merely insists that we had to do so in our fight against al Qaeda.
Note that rendition of suspects to countries that carry out torture is clearly hinted in this passage. Moving on to carrying out the torture ourselves was merely a natural extension of the idea.
On May 12, Emptywheel gave us an excellent analysis of another Cheney appearance on a Sunday morning talk show. Cheney gave a very strange account of Bush’s involvement in the decision to torture:
SCHIEFFER: How much did President Bush know specifically about the methods that were being used? We know that you– and you have said– that you approved this…
CHENEY: Right.
SCHIEFFER: … somewhere down the line. Did President Bush know everything you knew?
CHENEY: I certainly, yes, have every reason to believe he knew — he knew a great deal about the program. He basically authorized it. I mean, this was a presidential-level decision. And the decision went to the president. He signed off on it.
This response makes it very difficult to tell just how Bush was involved in approving torture, but, to me, it comes off as showing Cheney as the prime mover using probably indirect methods to get Bush to come along.
Opposition to the use of torture began to appear in Congress in 2005. We learn from today’s Washington Post that it was Cheney himself who conducted a series of Congressional briefings on behalf of the CIA. It appears that these briefings quelled the Congressional uprising:
Former vice president Richard B. Cheney personally oversaw at least four briefings with senior members of Congress about the controversial interrogation program, part of a secretive and forceful defense he mounted throughout 2005 in an effort to maintain support for the harsh techniques used on detainees.
The Cheney-led briefings came at some of the most critical moments for the program, as congressional oversight committees were threatening to investigate or even terminate the techniques, according to lawmakers, congressional officials, and current and former intelligence officials.
Just to review, we have Cheney coming out five days after 9/11 to tell the world that the US would abandon human rights considerations in its fight against terrorism. Cheney takes the lead role in developing torture as a policy and even personally leads the effort to keep torture as a tool when Congress begins to rebel. What has this policy gotten us? Here’s former interrogator Matthew Alexander, in an Op-Ed in the Washington Post:
I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It’s no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me — unless you don’t count American soldiers as Americans.
Dick Cheney announced that we would ignore human rights in our intelligence gathering. He then instituted and approved a program of torture. He personally led the fight on Capitol Hill to keep torture going. Torture is the primary recruiting tool for al Qaeda.
The next time international terrorists attack the United States, there will be one person who should take the bulk of the blame: Dick Cheney.





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Thank you Jim White,
For a slightly different angle see,
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/16615
It is also possible that some of al Qaeda, instead of grandiose attacks, like bin Laden specialized in, now wants a lot of little attacks, which Cheney wouldn’t be encouraging or begging for,
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5589
Well done, Jim! And don’t forget the “dark side” of spying on all of us too!
Oh yes, that’s there, too. I just wanted to concentrate here on how he has swelled the ranks of al Qaeda personally. He owns the next attack thoroughly and we need to hang it on him before it happens.
Recommended. Your best ever, Jim. Yesterday I found a letter written by a young
manboy who was led into becoming a suicide bomber. One segment of his writing definitely supports Matt Alexander’s statements that the torture program recruits Islamic extremists. I’ll try to find it again and post the link.Cheney has been well acquainted with the Dark Side of the CIA since at least the 1970s. In 1975 he and Rummy convinced Pres. Ford to cover up the CIA’s murder of their own agent, Frank Olsen (Code Artichoke) and pay off the widow.
does Dr. Tiller’s assassination count as the next attack on US soil?
Well, I did say “international terrorists” in the last sentence to distinguish what I’m talking about from the local whack jobs who get riled up by right wing hate speech. But yes, I most definitely see Dr. Tiller’s assassination as a terrorist act.
A would-be suicide bomber’s tale
[emphasis mine] This story verifies for me the position of Matt Alexander that torture recruits more fighters for Islamic extremists and causes American deaths.
Thanks for this. And we can rejoice that at least one suicide bomber had last minute second thoughts. There are so many innocent victims in suicide attacks. As the story pointed out, those who organize the attacks are capable of all sorts of lies to those who are to carry them out.
the problem is.. where’s the distinction? If OBL incites a brown American Muslim to attack an American target in the US, why is that int’l terrorism, as opposed to Randall Terry inciting a white American to attack an American target in the US? What happens when OBL incites a white American to attack an American target in the US? Or when a rightwing French Catholic cleric (yes, I have one in mind) hypothetically incites a white American to attack an American target in the US?
about time that was said, it is clearly a fact, he is clearly the reason we are experiencing terrorist attacks on americans outside this country and he will be the person responsible for any future attacks against our country and our people
it is definately time this post was made
I think cheney needs to go down in the anals of Of American traders and his name needs to be disparaged for all time, just as we refer to traitors as a “benedict arnold” dick cheney’s name needs to be used as the same referance point
from hence and forward he is beneDICK cheney to me
Great idea for dick’s new name, let’s all adopt it! Perris, I answered your comment @5 back on Marcy’s today diary on Cheney. Bottom line, your conclusions about the 2 divisions of CIA (at least) is correct. I gave refs to 2 books on CIA.
” The next terrorist attack on American soil will be Dick Cheney’s fault “
Yes and no. A small attack perhaps because he continues to enrage the Muslim world with his lies justifying torture, illegal invasions, etc. A big one, no, because he doesn’t have the power to order a stand down of NORAD like he did on 911.
Hell let’s not forget that Bush and Cheney ignored Richard Clarke’s warnings. 9/11 took place under their watch
Thanks for piecing this together.
Since Big Dick bureaucratically beat up, fired or sidelined CIA folks who refused to get with his program, and since the agency is anything but a fool when it comes to telling convenient half-truths to Congress in order to limit overisght and get funding, little wonder it let Big Dick carry its water to the Hill. He dug the well, pissed in it, and drew the water, so it was an easy decision.
Oh, absolutely. I just want to hang the next one on him before the fact. He earned it fair and square.
Excellent post, JimWhite. Important to pull all this together and keep saying it.
well, they’re just like the little plastic soldiers W played with in his youth. they’re not really people (altho a clump of cells – a blasocyst, if you will – is a person to w and limpdick.)
Thanks, Scarecrow. Seeing the reports this morning confirming Marcy’s deduction that Cheney was the “unavailable” person in the CIA briefing logs really convinced me of how much this program was almost completely Cheney’s doing. He was very adept at trying to maneuver the pieces of government to do this for him, but he didn’t manage to hide his tracks as well as he hoped. It’s pretty clear now what he did, and I want him to own the consequences.
I asked Wayne Madsen for a waiver of the 48 hour hold, but he declined, saying that the MSM had passed on the reporting he had apparently tried to have broadcast…the hold is up and this is very relevant to the discussion of the torture timeline, etc.———-
Saying that makes Dick Cheney seem like a very bad dude, ruthless and powerful, a little amoral even.
He also lied to drive the nation to war against Iraq, so most Firepups would agree the man is a liar.
Yet you leap to the defense of Richard B. Cheney with dismissive cries of ‘conspiracy theorist!’ if someone references the abundant documentation assembled by the 911 Truthers.
http://georgewashington.blogsp…..eople.html
no need to go through it now, we all know the script.
It is just interesting, the Progressive President so many firepups supported is taking Cheney’s side – continuing many of his policies, suppressing and covering up for him in the courts – and the Progressive Netroots defends Cheney as vociferously as anyone against accusations of involvement in 911.
not such a terribly broad spectrum of allowable opinion amongst the loyal opposition.
fortunately, most regular Americans don’t buy the lies – see the results of these polls from 2006 as a quick example:
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/13469
only 16% of 986 respondents believed the Bush/Cheney official story was the truth.
I think I have broken through another stage of my denial. It is now clear to me that the former VP of the United States is not just wrong or evil, he is truly insane and a menace to humanity.
Cheney continued to put Americans at risk by outing CIA agent Valerie Plame after her husband Joe Wilson had the courage to disprove the whole yellowcake canard. We all remember Cheneys hand-written notes in the margin and his aim to intimidate any opposition, even if agents’ safety or national interests were truly at stake.
oh! I thought Clarke missed it! /s :P
Insane, yes, I think so too. My first clue was when a reporter interviewed him and ask him about all the US soldiers dying and he replied “so?”.
And recently, the evidence of the wheels coming off the cart is the news story of Cheney now stating that alQ and Iraq were NOT connected…wha…???
And the paranoia that comes from blackmailing people (I am assuming) and having more secret service men assigned to you than the President. just weird.
This is extremely disturbing and important news. Perhaps you should also highlight this in a diary.
It reads as though they used Zubaydah as a guinea pig for their “EIT”. I have no words.
Well, yes, I join in the attacks on those who invoke secret spirits going into huge buildings and loading them with tons of explosives that thousands of people in those buildings never see. However, LIHOP theories work fine for me. The PNAC plan needed a 9/11 type event and went into overdrive immediately after the attack.
Thank you for this important news, Styve, and I agree with dosido that it should be a diary, not just lost among the comments.
I’ll have to study the contents of your writing here and search for other background, but if Zabudah was in the Mujahdeen in 1991-1992 then he was well known (if not paid by) the CIA. CIA’s history of getting rid of their own goes back to the 1950s, (see Frank Olsen, Code Artichoke). I think it was pres. Truman (or JFK ?) who called the CIA, “Murder, Inc.”.
I think the depth of depravity to which the Cheney crew descended cannot be imagined by the normal mind; it can only be discovered and exposed. Thank you Styve and Wayne Madsen for your efforts to discover and expose the dark secrets of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld administration and their evil actions covered up in the name of ‘national security’; which now Obama keeps putting bandages on hoping that the pus and stench of corruption will not leak out.
Jim, I opened this up yesterday when you announced it on Twitter, and I finally got a moment to read it.
Apparently, when the dots are connected, it’s not a mushroom cloud we see, but a silhouette of Cheney.
I’m going to have to learn how to use Digg and Reddit, so that I can do more than just “recommend” your posts.
Truck load of explosives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHq6JocvDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
Thanks, Karen. There is a feud of sorts between Digg and the Lake right now, so Jane and the others have asked us to hold off on Digging for now.
When does that end? We appear to be the only site that quit using it.
They did. The following is from pages 16 to 20 of a PDF. Lots of the report was blacked out, so much of what was done to Zubdayah is still unknown, but enough remains to show that he was indeed a test subject to try out torture techniques on. The psychologist referred to in the last paragraph is Dr. Bruce Jessen. The ‘training’ is the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah. He and his partner Dr. James Mitchell tortured Abu Zubaydah after the CIA took over from the FBI interrogators. They used on Zubdayah the program of torture that Dr. Jessen had designed. It was Bybee’s second August memo(2002) that authorized all of the still unknown techniques to be used on all prisoners.
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II. Development of New Interrogation Authorities
A. CIA’s Interrogation Program and the Interrogation of Abu Zubaydah
(U) Abu Zubaydah was captured by Pakistani and CIA forces on March 28, 2002.
According to former CIA Director George Tenet, once Zubaydah was in custody, the CIA “got
into holding and interrogating high-value detainees” (HVDs) “in a serious way.” Then National
Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said that “in the spring of 2002, CIA sought policy
approval from the National Security Council to begin an interrogation program for high-level alQaida
terrorists.”lll Then-NSC Legal Advisor John Bellinger said that he asked CIA to have the
proposed program reviewed by the Department of Justice and that he asked CIA to seek advice
not only ~om DoJ’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) but also from the Criminal Division. 112 Ms.
Rice said that she asked Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet to brief NSC Principals on
the proposed CIA program and asked Attorney General Ashcroft “personally to review the legality of the proposed program. ll3 She said that all of the meetings she attended on the CIA’s
interrogation program took place at the White House and that she understood thatDoJ’s legal
advice “was being coordinated by Counsel to the President Alberto Gonzales.,,114
(U) According to President Bush, the agency developed an “alternative set” of,”tough”
interrogation techniques, and put them to use on Zubaydah and other HVDs. 115 Though virtually
all ofthe techniques that were used on Zubaydah remain classified, CIA Director Michael
Hayden confirmed that waterboarding was used on Zubaydah. 116 Assistant Attorney General for
the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) Steven Bradbury testified before Congress that the “CIA’s
use of the waterboarding procedure was adapted from the SERE training program.,,117 When
asked whether she was present for discussions about physical and/or psychological pressures
used in SERE training, Secretary Rice recalled “being told that U. S. military personnel were
subjected in training to certain physical and psychological interrogation techniques.” 118 Mr.
Bellinger, the NSC Legal Advisor, stated that he was “present in meetings at which SERE
training was discussed.,,119
(U) An unclassified version of a May 2008 report by the Department of Justice (Dol)
Inspector General (IG) confirmed that FBI agents “initially took the lead in interviewing
Zubaydah at the CIA facility,” but that “CIA personnel assumed control over the interviews”
when they arrived at the facility. 125
At some point in the first six months of 2002, JPRA assisted with the
preparation of~sent to interrogate a high level al Qaeda operative. 137 In a June
20,2002 memo to JPRA’s Commander Randy Moulton, JPRA’s Deputy Commander Col John
Prior, characterized the assistance as ‘training’ and noted that the psychologist had suggested
“exploitation strategies” to officer. 138
http://armed-services.senate.g…..202009.pdf