by DrSteveB. x-posted from Daily Kos with kind permission from the author:
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Dear President Obama,Senator Baucus and Speaker Pelosi:
Will your health refrom end medical bankruptcy?
Just asking…?
Sincerely,
America
What a great system we have in the United States!
As Senator Baucus and other continue to defend propping up the "uniquely American" system of for-profit private insurance, that system continue to cause a uniquely American event: Personal bankruptcy due to illness and medical bills. This does not occur in other countries.
There is a new, follow-up study (.pdf) on the subject just out today, in the leading professioal peer review American Journal of Medicine:
Illness and medical bills linked to nearly two-thirds of all United States bankruptcies in 2007
Harvard study finds 50 percent increase from 2001
Most of those bankrupted by illness were middle class and had insurance
Follow me over for the sad gory details.
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Downloadable copies of press release and info above is at the PNHP website here.
And again, downloadable full text of professional peer review journal article is here.
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Press Release:
Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) of all bankruptcies in 2007, according to a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Medicine that was published today online. The data were collected prior to the current economic downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.
Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness, including 60.3 percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college. In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance.
Even apparently well-insured families often faced high out-of-pocket medical costs for co-payments, deductibles and uncovered services. Medically bankrupt families with private insurance reported medical bills that averaged $17,749 vs. $26,971 for the uninsured. High costs – averaging $22,568 – were incurred by those who initially had private coverage but lost it in the course of their illness.
Individuals with diabetes and those with neurological disorders such as multiple sclerosis had the highest costs, an average of $26,971 and $34,167 respectively. Hospital bills were the largest single expense for about half of all medically bankrupt families; prescription drugs were the largest expense for 18.6 percent.
The research, carried out jointly by researchers at Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School and Ohio University, is the first nationwide study on medical causes of bankruptcy. The researchers surveyed a random sample of 2,314 bankruptcy filers during early 2007 and examined their bankruptcy court records. In addition, they conducted extensive telephone interviews with 1,032 of these bankruptcy filers.
Their 2001 study, which was published in 2005, surveyed debtors in only five states. In the current study, findings for those five states closely mirrored the national trends.
Subsequent to the 2001 study, Congress made it harder to file for bankruptcy, causing a sharp drop in filings. However, personal bankruptcy filings have soared as the economy has soured and are now back to the 2001 level of about 1.5 million annually.
Dr. David Himmelstein, the lead author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, commented: "Our findings are frightening. Unless you’re Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy. For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection. Most of us have policies with so many loopholes, co-payments and deductibles that illness can put you in the poorhouse. And even the best job-based health insurance often vanishes when prolonged illness causes job loss – precisely when families need it most. Private health insurance is a defective product, akin to an umbrella that melts in the rain."
"For many families, bankruptcy is a deeply shameful experience." noted Elizabeth Warren, Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard and a study co-author. Professor Warren, a leading expert on personal bankruptcy, went on: "People arrive at the bankruptcy courts exhausted—financially, physically and emotionally. For most, bankruptcy is a last choice to deal with unmanageable circumstances."
According to study co-author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard and primary care physician in Cambridge, MA: "We need to rethink health reform. Covering the uninsured isn’t enough. Reform also needs to help families who already have insurance by upgrading their coverage and assuring that they never lose it. Only single-payer national health insurance can make universal, comprehensive coverage affordable by saving the hundreds of billions we now waste on insurance overhead and bureaucracy. Unfortunately, Washington politicians seem ready to cave in to insurance firms and keep them and their counterfeit coverage at the core of our system. Reforms that expand phony insurance – stripped-down plans riddled with co-payments, deductibles and exclusions – won’t stem the rising tide of medical bankruptcy."
Dr. Deborah Thorne, associate professor of sociology at Ohio University and study co-author stated: "American families are confronting a panoply of social forces that make it terribly difficult to maintain financial stability—job losses and wages that have not kept pace with the cost of living, exploitation from the various lending industries, and, probably most consequential and disgraceful, a health care system that is so dysfunctional that even the most mundane illness or injury can result in bankruptcy. Families who file medical bankruptcies are overwhelmingly hard-working, middle class families who have played by the rules of our economic system, and they deserve nothing less than affordable health care."
"Medical bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a national study," David U. Himmelstein, M.D; Deborah Thorne, Ph.D.; Elizabeth Warren, J.D.; Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H. American Journal of Medicine, June 4, 2009
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Medical Bankruptcy – Q&A
1 – What is a "medical bankruptcy"?
A number of medical factors can contribute to a family’s financial collapse, including high medical bills or lost time from work. Because different researchers use different definitions, we supplied a detailed analysis of debtors who:
• Specifically identified medical problem of the debtor or spouse (32.1%) or another family member (10.8%) as a reason for filing bankruptcy.
• Specifically said medical bills were a reason for bankruptcy. (29.0%)
• Lost two or more weeks of wages because of lost time from work to deal with a medical problem for themselves or a family member. (40.3%)
• Mortgaged their homes to pay medical bills. (5.7%)
• Spent more than $5,000 or 10% of annual household income in out-of-pocket medical bills (34.7%)
• Total, one or more of the above criteria: 62.1%
The vast majority (92%) of bankruptcies that we classified as medical had medical bill problems as indicated by: listing medical bills as a specific reason for their bankruptcy; or having medical bills of bills $5,000 or 10% of household income or that forced them to mortgage their home. The remaining 8% whose bankruptcy was classified as "medical" indicated that a medical problem or income loss due to illness was a cause of bankruptcy.
2 – Why do only 29% of bankrupt people identify medical bills as a reason for filing bankruptcy, but you say the total percentage of medical bankruptcies is 62.1%?
Families characterize their problems differently. Someone may mortgage a home to pay for surgery, then be unable to pay off the mortgage, describing the reason for filing bankruptcy as "unable to pay the mortgage." Similarly, some people explain that they have lost too much time from work when they have taken off to care for a child who has been hospitalized. We believe that multiple ways of asking about medical bankruptcies give the most complete picture, but we publish the breakdown in responses so that any other research or commentator can draw his or her own conclusions.
Finally, it should be noted that many people who are financially ruined by illness are undoubtedly too ill, too poor or demoralized to pursue formal bankruptcy, and are not counted in our study.
3 – What is the impact of health insurance?
More than three-quarters (78%) of the families that met the criteria for medical bankruptcy had health insurance at the onset of their illness or accident. By comparison, 80% of the non-elderly adult population and 85% of the entire U.S. population had health insurance in 2007. Hence, it appears that health insurance offers only modest protection against medical bankruptcy.
4 – Is the problem of medical bankruptcies just because of the recession?
No. The families in this study filed for bankruptcy between January-April of 2007, before the recession began. Since then, the financial stress on families has grown.
5 – Is this a national sample of all families filing for bankruptcy?
Yes. The sample was drawn from bankruptcy filings across the country.
6 – How did you get your information?
We contacted a random sample of all personal bankruptcy filers in the U.S. during the winter of 2007. Written questionnaires were returned by 2,314 debtors, and we also analyzed their bankruptcy court records. We also carried out extensive telephone interviews with 1,032 of these debtors.
Finally, to be sure that the debtors who returned our survey were similar to those who did not, we also analyzed the court records of 99 of the non-respondents. They were almost identical to those who returned the survey in terms of debts, income, assets and other characteristics.
7 – What’s the basis for saying that the proportion of bankruptcies that are medical rose by 50% between 2001 and 2007?
In order to compare the medical bankruptcy rates in 2007 and in our 2001 study we had to use the same definitions in both years. Our 2001 study had used a less stringent ("legacy") definition of medical bankruptcy that included families with more than $1000 in unpaid medical bills. Using this "legacy" definition, the medical bankruptcy rate rose from 46.2% in 2001 to 69.1% in 2007 – a 49.6% increase. The 2001 estimate relied on data collected from bankruptcy filers in five states. Analysis of the 2007 data confirmed that the five states included in the 2001 survey also saw a 50% increase in medical bankruptcies.
8 – Would health reform eliminate the problem of medical bankruptcy?
Many debtors described a complex web of problems involving illness, work, and family. Separating medical from other causes of bankruptcy is difficult. Hence, we cannot presume that eliminating the medical antecedents of bankruptcy would have prevented all of the filings we classified as "medical bankruptcies." The high rate of insurance among the medical bankrupts suggests that any health reform that fails to improve existing private coverage is unlikely to make a major impact on medical bankruptcy. Moreover, our data also highlight the need for improved disability coverage.
9 – Why do some others claim that medical bankruptcy rates are much lower?
Ours is the only study based on direct surveys and interviews with a large sample of families filing for bankruptcy. Others have based their findings on bankruptcy court records alone (with no direct surveys or interviews) or on surveys of the general public that inquire about bankruptcy filings. Court records fail to identify medical bankruptcies because many medical bills are charged to credit cards and hence cannot be identified as "medical" in court records. Similarly, when medical providers turn debts over to collection agencies they would not appear as "medical." Because bankruptcy carries a substantial stigma, about half of all respondents who are bankrupt deny that fact. As a result, surveys of the general public are an unreliable source of information on medical bankruptcy. For these reasons, the only way to accurately assess medical bankruptcy is to directly survey families who file for bankruptcy.
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Medical Bankruptcy – Fact Sheet
• In May 2009, more than 5,000 families filed for bankruptcy every business day. For all of 2009, the total is expected to reach about 1.4 million. The average personal bankruptcy involves 2.71 debtors and dependents. In total, an estimated 3.8 million Americans will be involved in personal bankruptcy filings this year.
• Illness and medical bills were a cause of at least 62.1% of all personal bankruptcies in 2007. Based on the current bankruptcy filing rate, medical bankruptcies will total 866,000 and involve 2.346 million Americans this year – about one person every 15 seconds.
• Using identical definitions in both years, the proportion of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6% between 2001 and 2007.
• Most medically bankrupt families were middle class before they suffered financial setbacks. 60.3% of them had attended college and 66.4% had owned a home; 20% of families included a military veteran or active-duty soldier.
• Most medical debtors had some health insurance, but many suffered gaps in coverage:
77.9% of the individuals whose illness led to bankruptcy had health insurance at the onset of the bankrupting illness; 60.3% had private insurance.
69% of debtor families had coverage at the time of their bankruptcy filing
60% of families had continuous coverage
Only 0.3% of the uninsured went without coverage voluntarily, i.e. because they though they didn’t need it – most others couldn’t afford it.
• Among medical debtors, hospital bills were the largest medical expense for 48% drug costs for 19%, doctors’ bills for 15% and insurance premiums for 4%. In 38% of cases, lost income due to illness was a factor.
• Out-of-pocket medical costs since the onset of illness averaged $17,943.
For the privately-insured, out-of-pocket costs averaged $17,749.
For the uninsured, out-of-pocket costs averaged $26,971.
Patients with neurologic disorders such as multiple sclerosis faced the highest costs, and average of $34,167, followed by diabetics at $26,971.
• According to earlier studies, between 7.1% and 14.3% of Canadian bankruptcies are due to "health/misfortune" (a category that includes some non-medical problems).
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Downloadable copies of press release and info above is at the PNHP website here.
And again, downloadable full text of professional peer review journal article is here.
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Updated:
In addition to whatever else your minimal demand is, mine is for what would seem to be a non-radical, non-shrill, non-extremist minimal demand, and one that some senators and congresscritters claim to have agreed to (but need pressure to help them keep them promise):
"There must be a complete, honest, side-by-side comparison of all proposals, including single payer HR-676 (Conyers) and SB-703 (Sanders), by the Congressional Budget Office.
The side-by-side comparison should include projected costs to state governments, employers and to households of different income levels. For 2010 and beyond."
It is crticial that whatever it is we are going to be allowed to get, and whatever it is we are not getting, be honestly and transparently compared for all to see:
The best we have for now is the January 2009 report from the Commonwealth Fund done by the Lewin Group comparing congressional proposals, as summarized in their graph and table below:
- "Stark"=Single Payer (expanded and improved Medicare for All)
- "Building Blocks" = Obama/Baucus (mandates to buy private for-profit health insurance + real Public Option + expanded Medicaid)
Total Change in National Health Expenditures, in 2010 (in Billions) Under Different Health Reform Proposals:
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and
Change in Health Spending by Stakeholder Group, Billions of Dollars, 2010:
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That is why Senator Baucus keeps asking the CBO to "fix the numbers."
Call these critical Democratic Senators, and let your voice be heard:
Senator Max Baucus at (202) 224-2651
Senator Charles Schumer at 202-224-6542
Senator Edward Kennedy at (202) 224-4543
Senator John Rockefeller at (202) 224-6472
Senator Ron Wyden at (202) 224-5244
Senator Kent Conrad at (202) 224-2043
Senator Jeff Bingaman at (202) 224-5521
Senator John Kerry at (202) 224-2742
Senator Blanche Lincoln at 202-224-4843
Senator Debbie Stabenow at (202) 224-4822
Senator Maria Cantwell at 202-224-3441
Senator Bill Nelson at 202-224-5274
Senator Robert Menendez at 202-224-4744
Senator Thomas Carper at (202) 224-2441





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many thanks to DrSteveB for permission to x-post his diary.
and i’m with him on this:
p.s. note to mods: the figures need to be their original size (they are too small to read as is) but oxdown strips my width and height specifications. can you help? thanks!
I heard Bernie Sanders say he had gotten Baucus finally to meet with some representatives of single payer but that he had, of course, not changed his mind. When we are discussing healthcare plans, it is important to remember that the Republicans are flim and the Democrats are flam. Neither want a real workable program. They want something that will con constituents and keep the contributions coming from insurance companies and Big Pharma. That is the object of the current exercise.
Am adding the image links above:
first table
second table
Apologies for the difficulty in creating graphics of a certain size in oxdown.
Thanks selise for the ton of good info
And not a mod but …
If you still have the edit function you can give a link
and the next one
Or
Not sure of the software they use, but if you still have edit, you could try to give the picture size as a percentage of the width ie 40%, 65%, or even 100%. For instance [img src=”http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/3596331366_ab78d0a892.jpg” width=”80%”]
Like I said, not sure what about the software they use, but on the blogs I contribute to, I only have to use the width as a percentage to size the pics, and the height automatically sizes itself to the same percentage
Too late with the edit and egregious beat me to the links anyway ;-)
And, sorry about the poor writing, this
should be something like
“… and the height automatically re-sizes itself proportionately”
good idea, thanks. done just as you suggested.
i think oxdown is some version of wordpress, but the editor for diarists have is very limited. (i can specify widths as you on my own wordpress site, so i don’t think it’s wordpress.)
no problem. thank you for the response. i’ll try to remember to add the “click to enlarge” link next time.
nurses’ report: Inside the Baucus Single-Payer Meeting–What Was Said, What’s Next
Mucho Gracias Selise (recommended)and in particular for the link to the ’single payer meeting’ which provided this link to fax Baucus about single payer.
BUT given this “Ultimately, Baucus threw the ball back to the President, citing the demand of the President to Congress to have a bill on his desk by October. “He wants a big win on healthcare reform,” Baucus said.
But the rush to adopt a flawed bill would hardly serve the Senate or the President well, DeMoro noted. “The President would be putting himself in a very bad position. We don’t want that to happen.”, I would think faxing Obama would be in order (I believe faxes are more effective than phone calls and hand written letters more so BWDIK).
This “PNHP co-founder Dr. David Himmelstein said “the decision should be made on what’s going to work.” He cited the Massachusetts law, where he lives, which is considered a model for both the Baucus proposal and the pending Kennedy bill. The bill is rapidly “fraying,” said Himmelstein. Some 28,000 state residents are about to be cut off of subsidized coverage because the state can’t afford it, and new studies show conditions for many state residents back to where they were before the bill was passed with inadequate or no coverage, and medical bills they can’t pay” REALLY needs to be highlighted in ‘people’s lobbying’; simply stated, the Mass. plan DOES NOT work!
I’ll go out on a limb here (*G*) and say even with our best efforts, the best that will be passed is legislation that actually creates a ‘public option’ that is truly viable, one that WILL take business away from Pharma and the Insurance industry.
Wonder if dental and vision and mental health will be part of such a plan.
Under AARP, the cheapest dental insurance that allows you to choose your dentist is over $50 a month !
Thank you selise!
Recommended.
Thank you selise.
Thanks selise
Yea for you, Selise. You are incredible! So much to learn. Thanks for all your research and sharing!
Hugh, your description of the political game distresses me greatly. I pray it is not true, that the political process can be transformed and justice and righteousness will prevail.
There is a poll at Senator Sanders’ site http://www.sanders.senate.gov/polls/ with a clear majority of single payer preferences on the responses so far.
How about FDL folks flooding the site with your opinions to add to the push for single payer.
Wonder if dental and vision and mental health will be part of such a plan.
Under AARP, the cheapest dental insurance that allows you to choose your dentist is over $50 a month !
My HealthNet plan gives me a restricted choice roster for chiropractic, acupressure, dental and vision for $15 month more than my base plan of $91 a month, plus, of course, my Medicare deduction. (My base plan costs last year was about half that cost!) My co-pays are $15 for most services. I get “extra help” on Medicare D coverage, so drug costs are minimal and most are generics. I take advantage of the swimming pool provided at the health club whose membership costs are covered in my HealthNet coverage. Some of my transportation for health/wellness services is by public transit. My total medical/wellness costs, inspite of all the extra help I get, are a significant chunk of my poverty level small SS income. I consider myself pretty lucky, as compared to many others I know. But I
also wonder how I would fare under future policies/programs. I fear for us all who are poor or one health crisis and/or deteriorating chronic illness away from bankruptcy.
Thanks to all for your ongoing struggling with this issue.
The funny thing about hospital bills which as far as I know hasn’t been tested in court is the various price schedules for the same services. Medicare, Healthnet, and other carriers negotiate the prices down so the only people charged and expected to pay the full freight are the uninsureds.
The idea of for profit insurance covering a social cost is an oxymoron. Insurance supposedly spreads risk across society. That means insurance should be controlled by the society. That we permit for profit groups to take a piece of the action as they perform a social function says a lot about us. It’s a spreading phenomenon. We now have private companies running toll roads. It’s a mistake to let entrepreneurs run things. They are hollow men who cannot be satisfied no matter how much money they accumulate. Ayn Rand was wrong.
thanks go to drsteveb (for the diary) and ralphbon (for the links)… and to all who who are willing to take some action.
The Americare option is not a true single-payer model based on the current Medicare system which leaves most people needing supplemental insurance coverage to protect themselves from bankruptcy.
The goal of a health care system should not, however, be to protect people from the reach of the bankruptcy laws of this country but to provide the best health care services at the least cost, and that is patient-oriented, not societal. There should be no fictional/corporate entity permitted between the health care provider and the patient. Health care is not a business proposition, but a necessity, more so than a standing Army (the fact that war and pestilence go hand-in-hand, as Hans Zinsser underscored years ago, is a concern here). The artificial scarcity of health care services created by the for-profit system in America keeps costs rising higher and higher, to institutional levels well beyond the means of most individuals.
The relatively successful community oriented system introduced in the 1960s in the Mississippi Delta region to provide public health services to extremely poor rural areas, where prevailing conditions fostered above average prevalence of disease and disability, proved to be rather successful and could be a model for the kind of single-payer system needed throughout the land. It was born of the civil rights movement and derived from practices observed in Africa by Tufts University doctors. Here’s a book about that development in health care.
Thanks for the diary, selise.
The billing room he mentions would be for forms sent to the government for payment. Baucus leaves the incorrect impression that bills are sent to patients. Our monthly premium covers all hospital care; operations, lab tests, etc. He was investigating Canada in the early 1990s. He has known for a long time exactly how medical care is delivered in Canada and chooses insurance companies to deliver/deny care in the US instead of our way. Who owns this guy?
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” Baucus talked about his own positive experiences in Canada where he inspected the Canadian healthcare system first hand, “I was very impressed,” during the healthcare debate in the early 1990s, noting the contrast between a Montana hospital which has an “entire floor” of people devoted to billing, and other administrative paper work, and a nearby Canadian hospital which does it all “in one room.” “
http://www.opednews.com/articl…..5-495.html
“Fax Max for single payer
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http://www.usalone.net/cgi-bin/oen.cgi?qnum=8011
” “Mad” Max Baucus: Speaking Nonsense to Power (May 22)
What was Max Baucus thinking at his appearance at the “newsmakers” breakfast of the Kaiser Family Foundation Thursday when in the space of a few minutes he made the following two statements about healthcare reform:
“Everything’s on the table. Everything. All proposals. All ideas that groups may have are on the table. And they’re going to stay on the table. We are going to discuss them.”
And, then two minutes later, pressed to explain why he continues to gag discussion of the option most favored by nurses, doctors, and tens of thousands of consumer activists, single payer, Baucus can say:
“We can’t squander this opportunity. We can’t waste capital on something that’s just impossible.” “
http://national-nurses-movement.dailykos.com/