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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Third Way&#8221; and Nine GOP Senators Say Big Insurance/Pharma Who Fund Their Campaigns Shouldn&#8217;t Face Public Plan Competition</title>
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		<title>By: salemguy</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48766</link>
		<dc:creator>salemguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes and no Jkat. There are more votes we can get if we ask, and demand them. People need to tell their CongReps they want a public option. We can turn out votes that might not be there today. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with Prairie Sunshine, too. If we don’t get it this time around, vote the bastards out and get people in who understand our health system will not work well without a public option.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and no Jkat. There are more votes we can get if we ask, and demand them. People need to tell their CongReps they want a public option. We can turn out votes that might not be there today. </p>
<p>I agree with Prairie Sunshine, too. If we don’t get it this time around, vote the bastards out and get people in who understand our health system will not work well without a public option.</p>
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		<title>By: paz3</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48727</link>
		<dc:creator>paz3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;that middle-class Americans—i.e., Harry and Louise—depend on and are largely satisfied with&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Who are they talking to who are satisfied with the status quo?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Harry and Louise… That’s one of the vague ‘talking points’ that pols or lobbyists cook up that is totally without foundation, but which is hard to refute unless you have enough time to acccess current polling that asks the right questions on the (or any) matter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>that middle-class Americans—i.e., Harry and Louise—depend on and are largely satisfied with</p>
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<blockquote><p>Who are they talking to who are satisfied with the status quo?</p>
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<p>Harry and Louise… That’s one of the vague ‘talking points’ that pols or lobbyists cook up that is totally without foundation, but which is hard to refute unless you have enough time to acccess current polling that asks the right questions on the (or any) matter.</p>
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		<title>By: paz3</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48726</link>
		<dc:creator>paz3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;but what do you suggest if someone wants to argue the benefits of competition?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Start with, oh, say:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In Canada, health care spending is about 10% of GDP&lt;br /&gt;
In the US, it’s about 17% of GDP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In Canada the cancer recovery rate is better than the US.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then you could detail all of the other illnesses where Canada exceeds the US in recovery and cure. Then compare the average lifespan, and the infant mortality rates of both countries.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And close with the idea that health care is a right in any civlilzed nation in the 21st Century, and that the ‘competition’ model is not appropriate in a matter where people are so vulnerable, because when you lose your health you lose your life, emotionally and practically speaking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Conclude with the notion that ‘competition’ or making obscene profits is not some sacred corporate right that is to be worshipped, or that the US will cease to exist because we raise the standard of living among all citizens because accessible health care has been elevated to the level of a basic right for all US citizens.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but what do you suggest if someone wants to argue the benefits of competition?</p>
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<p>Start with, oh, say:</p>
<p>In Canada, health care spending is about 10% of GDP<br />
In the US, it’s about 17% of GDP.</p>
<p>In Canada the cancer recovery rate is better than the US.</p>
<p>Then you could detail all of the other illnesses where Canada exceeds the US in recovery and cure. Then compare the average lifespan, and the infant mortality rates of both countries.</p>
<p>And close with the idea that health care is a right in any civlilzed nation in the 21st Century, and that the ‘competition’ model is not appropriate in a matter where people are so vulnerable, because when you lose your health you lose your life, emotionally and practically speaking.</p>
<p>Conclude with the notion that ‘competition’ or making obscene profits is not some sacred corporate right that is to be worshipped, or that the US will cease to exist because we raise the standard of living among all citizens because accessible health care has been elevated to the level of a basic right for all US citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48714</link>
		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kennedy can’t be in D.C. because he is dealing with a serious brain tumor. His Committee Staff continues to work on this.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/09/us/politics/09chair.html?ref=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Senate Feels Kennedy’s Absence in Health Care Fight&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kennedy can’t be in D.C. because he is dealing with a serious brain tumor. His Committee Staff continues to work on this.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/09/us/politics/09chair.html?ref=us" rel="nofollow">Senate Feels Kennedy’s Absence in Health Care Fight</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48711</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can see this as pushback from the Baucus camp against Obama’s re-entry into the debate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or you can see it as Republicans taking another extreme position which will allow Obama and the Democrats to propose a public plan that really sucks in the name of “bipartisanship”.  All or nearly all Republicans in the same bipartisan spirit will vote against whatever bill comes up anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is always important to remember that just because the Republicans are evil on this doesn’t make Obama and the Democrats saints.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see this as pushback from the Baucus camp against Obama’s re-entry into the debate.</p>
<p>Or you can see it as Republicans taking another extreme position which will allow Obama and the Democrats to propose a public plan that really sucks in the name of “bipartisanship”.  All or nearly all Republicans in the same bipartisan spirit will vote against whatever bill comes up anyway.</p>
<p>It is always important to remember that just because the Republicans are evil on this doesn’t make Obama and the Democrats saints.</p>
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		<title>By: dcblogger</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48709</link>
		<dc:creator>dcblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;preach it brother!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>preach it brother!</p>
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		<title>By: dcblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Open Left has also being doing great work on this&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=13692&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=13692&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Left has also being doing great work on this<br /><a href="http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=13692" rel="nofollow">http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=13692</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sufilizard2</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48706</link>
		<dc:creator>Sufilizard2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My biggest fear is that we’ll end up with a government mandate forcing everyone man, woman and child to buy a private insurance policy. My nightmare, of course is the insurance company’s wet dream.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then they will have no incentive to keep costs down, because we’ll have to buy it anyway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My biggest fear is that we’ll end up with a government mandate forcing everyone man, woman and child to buy a private insurance policy. My nightmare, of course is the insurance company’s wet dream.</p>
<p>Then they will have no incentive to keep costs down, because we’ll have to buy it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;where in bloody hell is Senator Kennedy ?!?!   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and can you believe anyone is still fronting the False Gods of “Free Markets” and “Invisible Hand” at this stage ?!?!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where in bloody hell is Senator Kennedy ?!?!   </p>
<p>and can you believe anyone is still fronting the False Gods of “Free Markets” and “Invisible Hand” at this stage ?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Sufilizard2</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5664/comment-page-1#comment-48704</link>
		<dc:creator>Sufilizard2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh I’m so going to register &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.byeBayh.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.byeBayh.com&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I’m so going to register <a href="http://www.byeBayh.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.byeBayh.com</a>!</p>
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