previous thread is over 100 comments, so we’re starting a second thread for this hearing:
Congratulations to all who have worked to demand that Single Payer Universal Healthcare be included in discussions on healthcare reform! Some cracks in the edifice of exclusion are beginning to show.
10:30 am – Examining the Single Payer Health Care Option
House Committee on Education and Labor
Health, Employment, Labor, and Pensions Subcommittee Hearing
Witnesses:
- U.S. Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI)
- Marcia Angell, M.D, Senior Lecturer in Social Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts
- David Gratzer, Senior Fellow, Manhattan Institute
- Geri Jenkins, R.N., Co-President
California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee, San Diego, CA - Walter Tsou, M.D., M.P.H., National Board Advisor Physicians for a National Health Program, Philadelphia, PA
- Additional Witnesses TBA
Live coverage is scheduled by committee webstream and C-SPAN Radio (schedule, real player link, more links).
C-SPAN TV is scheduled to cover the hearing and broadcast it later in the day (watch schedule for time and station).
C-SPAN Video Library will archive the hearing for later viewing (link).
For some great background on Single Payer, see the fact sheet from PNHP (Physicians for a National Health Program): Single-Payer National Health Insurance. The short version is:
BILL MOYERS: But then let’s establish what single-payer is. Can you do that succinctly?
DR. DAVID HIMMELSTEIN: It’s what we used to call national health insurance. So government collects the money for health care from taxes, you don’t pay premiums, instead you pay taxes, and pays all the bills. Hospitals remain privately owned and operated. Doctors remain mostly in private practice. But their bills go to the government insurance program, just as they do today with Medicare, but we’d be able to streamline the payment system if we had only one payer instead of Medicare being one among many.
So a hospital would get paid like a fire department does today. You have one check a month that pays for the entire operation. And that means you can eliminate the huge billing apparatus of the hospitals and the doctors offices where we’re employing many people to do our billing. And fighting with insurance companies. You save $400 billion a year that way.
For an analysis of the three Single Payer bills now before Congress, see BargainCountertenor’s fabulous diary: Single Payer Bills in Congress: First Impressions.
HR 676 was first introduced in 2003 to the 108th Congress by Representative John Conyers and has been introduced to in every Congress since, getting more support each session.
From PNHP (Physicians for a National Health Program), as of last year:
HR-676 has been endorsed by over 417 union organizations in 48 states including 107 Central Labor Councils and Area Labor Federations and 33 state AFL-CIO’s (KY, PA, CT, OH, DE, ND, WA, SC, WY, VT, FL, WI, WV, SD, NC, MO,MN, ME, AR, MD-DC, TX, IA, AZ, TN, OR, GA, OK, KS, CO, IN, AL, CA & AK).
It has the vigourous support of the largest Nurse’s Union (CNA/NNOC), and the largest Nurses professional association (ANA). And the National Association of Social Workers.
It was endorsed last year by largest physician specialty group, the American College of Physicians which represents Internists, and in a recent editorial in their professional journal (.pdf).
And of course Physicians for a National Program (PNHP) with organized activists in most States.
It has been recently endorsed by the U..S. Conference of Mayors.
Oh yes… HR-676 has also been endorsed by the Assembly of the Urban Caucus of the Episcopal Church, General Board on Global Ministries of the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterian Health, Education and Welfare Association of the Presbyterian Church (USA). And most recently Unitarian-Universalist.
More on today’s hearings, what it means and a call to action from National Nurses Movement at Daily Kos: Congressional Hearing to Consider Single-Payer Healthcare:
The official silence on Capitol Hill on single payer — at least in the House — is ending.
Thanks to the ongoing pressure and dedication of single payer activists across the country, who the Washington Post noted this past weekend, "have spent months hounding Democratic lawmakers and organizing demonstrations, including one that resulted in 13 arrests at a Senate hearing last month," a Congressional committee will for the first time in the current proceedings on healthcare reform, hold a public hearing on single payer Wednesday.
… a key priority of the insurance industry throughout this process has been shutting out discussion of single-payer reforms, and their own uselessness…so in that regards this is a real victory for healthcare reform





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previous thread is over 100 comments, so we’re starting a second thread here
Sounds good. Kucinich up.
hearing has resumed after recess.
hare make a powerful statement about what he was hearing from his not-liberal district. they want single payer.
miller asked a few questions of jenkins.
kucinich up!
Kucinich: (I think he’s trying to say) We’re not rationed, we’re starving.
X-examining Gratzer. (Yeah!)
go Kucinich
hee hee
kucinich:
how many canadians go bankrupt do to health care costs?
how many insured americans go without needed healthcare because of cost?
Gratzer: I’m not going to be led down a garden path.
Kucinich: You’ve led us down a garden path a while ago. You’ve posed yourself as an Xpert on canada. Now you can answer my questions. How many uninsured in Canada? How many in U.S.?
kucinich rocks. taking it directly to gratzer. who has nothing to say. and then complains about getting cut off — when he was given a chance to answer and was silent.
Kucinich to Jenkins: How would single-payer act as economic stimulus.
Jenkins: (good answer) besides ethical moral considerations.
mccarthy up. talking with jenkins about nurses and training for nurses
Hmmm is McCarthy speaking for all Baby boomers?
Actually some doctors get jack shit reimbursement from private insurers.
she is uninformed
Love Kucinich! Thank you, Selise for the post!
Jenkins: invest in nurses. better safety, standards etc.
Nurses do get burnout physically, and are not always adequately compensated/protected.
Jenkins: realistic staffing ratios needed. (boy is that an understatment for both patient *and* staff.)
I know someone who worked in this hospital, who said at least one EMT came down with AIDs each year, cause of blood/body fluids flying.
uhmmmmmm dimwit McCarthy
in a PROFIT DRIVEN hospital less nurses working
holt up, i missed his question but he gives most of his time to angell at her request.
angell: single payer better. our system or non system too fractured to make resource allocations /make decisions properly. (or something, bad paraphrasing on my part.)
angell talking about medicare – covers everyone. completely free choice of doctor.
holt says he is married to a doc, and that she says she would rather deal with medicare than any private insurance company.
she SO ROCKS
i will send her flowers
angell says that when you look at outcomes in the usa, don’t forget that those outcomes reflect medicare as well as the private system and the people who have no insurance. it’s
mixedframented (thanks mui!).Angell: We can’t get Canadian healthcare. Some would love that. XX1000 Americans would love it. *That* would be droves. But we can’t. etc.
Atta Doctor! Rip Gratzer’s stupid arguements apart.
I’m not sure that’s true with all doctors. Not that private insurers don’t totally f*ck some doctors and pay poorly to boot.
Fragmented.
andrews invites witnesses to stay in contact.
price (r) gets chance to close.
where the fuck are all the other dems who are on this committee?
mad props to those who showed up.
you’re right. i changed it!
DIM DEMS SUCK
andrews – there is going to be a law, not just a discussion.
hearing adjourned!
many thanks to all – please spread the word as you are able.
My new phrase, courtesy of Angell: our fragemented system/nonsystem.
What! this is adjourned? Feels like they need more than a few followup hearings.
kUCNICH ROCKS OF COURSE
Thanks selise for the heads up and being host and the finest of company and everything and more!
what an amazing person she is
Thank you selise!
Heard some great stuff in spite of Dr. Annoying.
Yes, I haven’t read anything of hers beyond the truth about big pharma. but now I’d like to seek more of her writing.
The Xpert on Canada?/s
PLEASE PLEASE…EVERYBODY FAX THIS TO ALL CONGRESSCRITTERS
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/…..ptcies/?em
sorry to miss Kucinich
saved by the rain storming…no moving.
Angel exactly King of Jordan can come to the Mayo yet a single working mother of three who has never taken a dime from the state in the form of health care or anything else(and 50 million more) can not afford to get yearly check ups, preventive care…etc etc.
Was thinking about Gratzer’s arguments . The U.S. has great research, medicines etc and some how can not have single payer. You know the “either or” argument. the fat cats have been using that argument in Appalachia for years. We can provide jobs ( power plants, American electric power, etc) but we can not abide by environemntal standards. Jobs of no jobs..”either or” horseshit
Here are some folks that American Electric Power moved. They received I believe 100,ooo or so for moving but had to sign a waiver saying that they would never come back and sue AEP for any health complications
Cheshire Ohio…”jobs vs. health and clean air” Choose
http://www.forgottenoh.com/Cheshire/cheshire.html
Yes, I heard that medical bills do cause bankruptcy.
But we love to blame the victims in this country.
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I’m surprised the committee webstream didn’t crap out on me once. That’s a new experience for me. Committee webstreams always crap out on me.
i’m making some youtube clips from my committee webstream rip. any special requests?
will post links on this thread later today when they are up… (assuming all goes well).
Gratzer only to show how Angell and Kucinich came to argue. As little as possible. Lots of Kucinich and Angell.
Like Kucinich asking our “canadian expert” if he only talked to a tiny fraction of Canadians, as opposed to the public polls.
DOES ANYBODY YHAVE AN UP TO DATE LIST OF ALL CONGRESSIONAL FAX #S?
HARE AND HOLT
ooo wonderful!
Kucinich v Gratzer
and
Jenkins’ opening statement are two I’d like to see.
Actually selise, if you make clips of Angell, is there any way I can send it someone I know who’s a big Angell fan?
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edit function is a blessing for me.
Angell clearly came back from recess loaded for bear to demolish Gratzer’s earlier talk points. I think it’s telling that no Republican questioned any of the single-payer witnesses with the ferocity with which Dennis questioned Gratzer. If they coulda, they woulda, but they got nuttin’!
What about clips of Gratzer talking about the King of Jordan (bless his soul) being able to go to the Mayo (I immediately thought what an absurd argument)
Then later Angel bringing up how that is great but 50 million Americans do not have ANY health care. That “either or” argument that Gratzer was trying to spin…You know if the peasants are covered or have access to affordable health care…the upper level peasants health care may come up short.
thanks to all for the suggestions! i’m off to do something else, but will be back editing video in a little bit.
especially thanks to all for the company during today’s hearing!
Oh correction: that was Hare that made the miniscule Canadian argument v. public poll I think. Not Kucinich.
We need a transcript.
it will be public on youtube, or do you want raw .mov file?
when did that happen (opening statement or during someone’s questioning)? if you can give me the approximate place (by who was doing the questioning) i can try to find it.
linky or file will be good.
And Kucinich suggesting that if Gratzer is suggesting Canadians have rationed care, then we in the U.S. are starving. That is what I thought he was trying to say.
great work all
i truly believe CONGRESSCRITTERS have no clue about this
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/…..ptcies/?em
Angell also said that canadians can access care in this country, because their gov supplies them with a “checkbook.” I heard Japanese government is really nice to its citizens abroad too. I think a French person I worked with talked about getting reimbursed by her gov.
We avg. american peasants are the one in the sh*t can medically/financially.
What would you say if they did know, but don’t care. At least not enough to choose the public over big insurance.
id feel totally digusted
trying to find that spot. Gratzer was bringing up U.S. research, medicines etc
at 56;55 Gratzer brings up Cleveland Clinic
57:53 Gratzer brings up the King of Jordan (bless his soul) visiting the Mayo
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Me…..+Hill.aspx
After one of the breaks Angel refers to Gratzer’s reference to the King of Jordan getting treatment at the Mayo Clini
Selise Dr. Angell’s reference to Gratzer’s earlier comments about the King of Jordan’s treatments at the Mayo Clinic are at 1:38 14 seconds. King of Jordan can buy his way in while 50 million americans go uninsured.
Perfect example of how money buys access to our health care system while the peasants go uninured
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Me…..+Hill.aspx
Thanks for the live blog for those of us who missed it.
here are some youtubes. please note that i ripped these from the committee webstream (not a high quality tv signal). i think they are ok, but the quality is not as good as i would like.
opening statements:
Geri Jenkins
Walter Tsou
Marcia Angell
David Gratzer
question period:
Phil Hare (IL-17)
Dennis J. Kucinich (OH-10)
Rush D. Holt (NJ-12)
leen, the angell clip you wanted is the holt youtube. i haven’t found the other one yet and got sick of watching more gratzer while looking for it. please forgive me…. i try to look a bit more later tonight.
Thanks. I watched the whole deal on c-span. Wow. I am so thrilled that finally Single Payer made it into the House. Yippeeee!
Thanks selise
Just finished watching Dennis and “Dr” Gratzer, which brought to mind that old joke
What’s the difference between God and “fill in the blank” Dr. or Judge or lawyer or politician’s name?
One of the them is an all-knowing, arrogant, sanctimonious, conceited, high-and-mighty, egotistical windbag prick who thinks he has all the answers … and the other is God
Big thanks selise for all your work in live blogging and link posting. I followed along at work, but can’t chime in from there :(
Just to be clear, in case anyone misses it, the joke is about Dr Gratzer ;-)
excellent.
Thank you, Selise, for this. Kucinich was excellent.
Thanks Selise, I’m just catching up to your blogging and video clips. DK was great, his stats wrt Canada is a more accurate picture of our Health Care system … people get prompt access to emergency procedures and if Canadian Hospitals are unable to provide that, they get an all- expenses paid trip to the U.S. for that procedure.
The source that DK quoted for his stats is also more honest than the “expert” with the Dead Squirrel atop his cranium.
and i thought gratzer was the joke. *g*
p.s. thanks. your comment @64 gave me a laugh.
dru, v glad to know you were lurking.
to all – the committee has also posted a few youtubes also (no kucinich, hare or holt though):
http://www.youtube.com/profile…..iew=videos
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also this afternoon one of the 24 witnesses testifying before the HELP committee will be dr. flowers, member of pnhp and one of the baucus 13.
http://help.senate.gov/Hearing…..06_11.html
Selise went through much of the hearing again to find where Gratzer first referred to the King of Jordan coming to the states for medical care and then Angell’s reference to Gratzer’s arrogant statement about the King of Jordan. Those links and where they are on the C-span tape are at 59 and 60.
Why Gratzer thinks that by having the King of Jordan being able to afford top level medical care at the Mayo clinic that the should make all of the 50 million Americans who are uninsured feel so much better knowing that.
What horseshit…