Update: Sen Conrad says he doesn’t care what health reform groups think. "They don’t have a vote." — via Ryan Grimm/HuffPo.
Yesterday saw the release of the next draft of the Kennedy/HELP Committee health reform bill and the release of a set of principles by House leaders that seem more or less consistent with where Kennedy and Obama are headed. Meanwhile, Ron Wyden doesn’t like the "trigger," and Mary Landrieu flip-flopped on the public option (h/t Yglesias).
In addition, the NYT coverage describes a proposal by Sen. Kent Conrad to create member-owned "co-ops" to provide insurance for small businesses and individuals not covered in other ways. (h/t to Think Progress and Igor Volsky for the Conrad video)
The usual suspects seem interested in this latest device to substitute for — or to kill — a government-sponsored public health insurance option. But this is not a acceptable substitute, because it doesn’t address the important reasons we need a public plan open to everyone.
The Times’ Robert Pears, who’s done a decent job of covering the reform efforts, explains what Conrad is proposing:
The House bill, as outlined on Tuesday, would allow people to enroll in a government-run health insurance plan similar to Medicare.
By contrast, some Senate Democrats are trying to limit the scope of any new government plan, in the hope they can persuade some Republicans to vote for their legislation.
Senator Kent Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota, suggested that the public plan might take the form of an insurance cooperative, owned and operated for the benefit of its members — individuals and businesses with fewer than 10 employees.
This proposal, floated as a compromise, seemed to intrigue Republicans who were familiar with cooperatives that market electric power, telephone service, milk, wheat and other commodities.
“The strength of this proposal is that it accomplishes much of what those who want a public option are calling for — that is, something to compete with private for-profit insurance companies,” Mr. Conrad said. “On the other hand, it meets the objections of many Republicans and some Democrats as well. The co-op is not government-controlled.”
So, there’s some misdirection going on here. The purpose of a strong public plan option, as President Obama emphasized, is not just to cover small business employees; it’s also to give all consumers a real choice and force the private insurers to shape up across the board:
I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest.
Conrad’s proposal doesn’t meet any of the objectives. It’s true that the private health insurance model creates special problems for small business, and employer mandates would exacerbate those issues, as the Times explained in this article.
An obvious solution to that problem would to liberate individual health coverage from the employer-provided insurance model, as a public health insurance (or single payer) framework would do. Conrad’s proposal is different; he wants to create another quasi-private insurance model just for this select group, without providing anyone else with choice or pressuring the industry to shape up.
By restricting his co-ops to small businesses and otherwise uncovered individuals, Conrad effectively shields the vast bulk of the private industry from competition and denies choice to everyone else. The private industry would maintain its non-competitive monopoly over the bulk of Americans under 65, while consumers would be forced to purchase insurance from the (too) few insurers operating in their area. Within that framework, there’s no reason to believe that the co-ops would be better situated to provide affordable coverage even for the limited group Conrad hopes to reach.
As the Times article notes, the co-op model has some value in electricity and other sectors, but it’s important to remember why the New Deal used this approach. There were vast rural areas that simply didn’t have electricity at the time. An electricity system, with large power plants and transmission lines, is a capital-intensive industry that would have been very costly for sparsely-populated rural areas. If we wanted to serve everyone in remote areas, we had to create a means to subsidize the expansion of the transmission and distribution system.
By contrast, urban areas have for nearly 100 years been served by strongly regulated monopolies, either investor owned utilities (state regulation) or municipal/public owned utilities (local board regulation). In the absence of a competitive paradigm for the electricity sector (and even with it), you need strong regulation of the monopoly elements to avoid poor service, insufficient supply, service discrimination, and prices higher than they should be. Sound familiar? There is as yet no comparable market regulation for equally essential health care services, even though many parts of the health care industry seem to be highly concentrated and non-competitive.
I don’t have a problem if Congress wants to authorize member-owned co-ops to help consumers in particular circumstances. But no one should be confused that this is an acceptable substitute for a robust public health option open to everyone that keeps the pressure on private insurers to clean up their acts or be displaced.
More on the co-op concept:
Igor Volsky/Wonkroom, Conrad Proposes Co-ops to Replace Public Plan
Matthew Yglesias, Health Care Co-ops
The Hill, House reform principles
The Hill, Obama Restates Commitment to Schedule





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These people are idiots.
Idiots! What Conrad is trying to do is to increase the size of the risk pool without making health care a government-sponsored function.
Dear Senator Conrad:
The biggest risk pool is the whole effing population. We all need health care, we will all consume health care in some amount. There are two questions:
(1) How much health care will we be allowed to consume; and,
(2) Where will we consume it?
Our current system is a failure on any count. Its answer to question (1) is, “As much as your insurance coverage will pay for, unless you show up at an ER with a life-or-limb threatening problem. In that case, as much as is needed to stabilize your condition if you don’t have access to deep pockets.” Its answer to question (2) is, “If you don’t have access to deep pockets, in the ER.” We ration health care today, but the principles of rationing are stupid.
Insurance works best when the risks are spread across the largest possible risk pool. Let’s create the biggest plausible risk pool: all of us. And yeah, that means that the government is going to be involved in its creation and management. Government is here to allow us to do together the things we can’t do alone.
I think your last point is critical. In Igor Volsky’s analysis, he’s apparently assuming that the co-op is open to everyone (while I assume it would be limited to those not otherwise covered — it’s not quite clear yet), but assume he’s correct. The get the correct scale, the co-op (or each co-op) needs to be huge, which means you need to worry about it’s governance, how responsive is it? How bureaucratic — that is, all the problems that the Republicans think arise in big government also arise in “big-enough co-ops” and if you can’t solve that internally, you’d need some type of federal oversight of the whole mess anyway.
Once you embark on covering the whole population, you run into the governance/accountability/efficiency problem no matter which path you take. It’s an illusion to think the co-op model avoids this, unless you assume each co-op is too small to matter — in which case, it’s ineffective.
What’s most stunning to me is that he thinks that the supporters of a single payer -he names HCAN but doesn’t mention PNHP or CNA/NNOC- are NOT ‘voters’, and the arrogance of his focus on ‘votes on the Senate floor’- bespeaks someone who really doesn’t believe ‘ordinary people’ have any insight or wisdom to provide ‘politicians’; simply amazing to me but we get what we deserve(supposedly).
Yes, and it’s not just Conrad. On health care reform, Congress in general seems to be more out of touch, and behind, where the public is than they usually are. I’m curious what the obama people heard (and will respond to) from the health care organizing meetings last week — and how they’re going to handle the disillusionment if Washington produces less than what the public seems to want.
Conrad and his pals are paid to oppose bills like this. Just put language in the bill to make up for their loss of income and they will switch to supporting it.
US Senators and US Representatives all have free socialized health care for themselves, their family for life. But they want to keep Republican corporate greed in the medical “industry” for as long as possible. Since instituting a complete 100% single-payer not-for-profit federal health insurance plan would be too great of an economic shock (hundreds of thousands of paper-shufflers laid off; HMO CEOs losing millions of dollars in bonuses annually) it is probably best to ease into this change with the public option plan, to allow a gradual transition to universal health insurance…
Way O/T, but timely anyway,
Bully for Fox News Corporation. Their Faux News/Fascist Noise cable television has been egging on right-wing Republican extremists who now are murdering doctors and police in America. These domestic nuts are not satisfied with our three ongoing imperial wars of aggression against the Afghanis, Iraqis and Pakistanis. No, they want to shed blood domestically and have to bring their war against America back home to the US of A. Hwxk of job, Faux.
Don’t the Dems know that the Republicans are successfully killing health care reform?
Silly corporate Dems.
Here is a right winger saying that there is no rush to reform health care. My guess is this douche bag has health care.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=1701
The right wing refers to “Democrats” like Kent Conrad as Democrats with integrity. I refer to them as Republicans.
After all IT is Our Government. And we the owners needs to demand single payer and you still get to have the “Same Coverage as Congress” meaning you have many choices about your health care. Seems to me that Independence of choice would appeal to those ReichtWingNuts! The individual is in control….duh?>?
Cynthia Kouril is upstairs at the Mothership!
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What is exactly wrong with Medicare for All?
Dump Medicare D and rewrite it. Medicare has very low administrative costs, with effective investigation of Medicare fraud.
Medicare has worked for well over 40 years…..
Yep! I use the VA and their system seems to work well and you do get to see the different specialties Drs as needed with no regard to cost.
That is what Roger Ailes promised us.
As long as the subject is health insurance, rather than health care, it’s business as usual.
Cooperative insurance goes back to the beginning of the insurance concept. It was more a club with members contributing fixed amounts and being thereby eligible for coverage beyond the annual contribution as needed.
They already tried this junk in the 90’s with the Community Health Insurance Purchasing Alliances (CHIPAs) and they folded faster than you could say “boo.” it’s the same old crap with a new and improved name only. Start faxing letters and calling offices and raise hell. Sen. Landrieu did not have a fun day today about this stuff.
Interesting. I’m not surprised that the generic concept has been around; it shows up in lots of sectors. But I don’t know anything about this specific idea. Any good studies/explanations/Links?
Several years ago, I used to think Conrad was possibly a voice of reason in the wilderness, and I appreciated his courage. No more. The more power Dems get, the more he turns backwards to pull the other way. Cranky constituents who happen to be very very powerful? Powerful banking interests overrunning his tent? Whatever. Sadly disappointed. Perhaps he’s grown to enjoy DC more than his “real” job. If so, I’m truly sorry.
Thank you Scarecrow.
Scarecrow here’s one analysis of what tasgator is referencing:
VI. Conclusion
Proponents of purchasing arrangements argue that allowing small employers to join together for the purpose of purchasing health care coverage will reduce premiums, expand choice and improve the stability of coverage for small employers. As described in this paper, purchasing arrangements are unlikely to meet many of the stated goals of their proponents.
From http://www.oliverwyman.com/de/pdf-fil…..ements.pdf
NOte that the report was prepared for Blue Cross/Blue Shield Association.
Easy Google.
“Established by the Health Care and Insurance Reform Act of 1993. CHPAs are responsible for assisting their members and particularly small employers to be prudent purchasers of health care by analyzing and disseminating data on prices, quality and patient satisfaction. CHPAs annually solicit bids for a variety of state mandated insurance products.”
Worked really well, huh? they have been trying tweaks that the health insurers KNOW won’t work but also know will take another 15-20 years to rebuild momentum to get something done. Everyone needs to barrage the senate with faxes at their DC offices. They will understand burning up their toner and paper printing the faxes.
Yeah, I found a couple other studies too. Thanks. No magic bullet.
Everyone needs to barrage the senate with faxes at their DC offices. They will understand burning up their toner and paper printing the faxes.—–you nailed it; hope others act.
We already have tax exempt not for profit heath insurance industry and providers!! They abuse tax exempt status for the larger purpose of insulating themselves from the use of tax incentives as a means of channeling reform! This is no new plan. It is status quo. How many people know the tax status of the corporate health insurer/provider. Many of these orgs have the identical tax exempt status as the United Way or Red Cross? Inquire with your State AG about a “public charities listing!” You would be surprised at the names listed?
Blue Cross Blue Shield? Kaiser? Now it is being proposed to mandate healthcare and use the tax code to force individual compliance!
A racket the Imperialistic Pro Corporation mercatiling “King of England” would be proud of!
Why not use the tax code to control the behavior of the Corporate Health Industry???
LOBBYIST and tax exempt status??????????????????????
Blue Cross Blue Shield? Kaiser? Now it is being proposed to mandate healthcare and use the tax code to force individual compliance!
Tax Exempt???????
A Congressional law which fails to craft effective cost control mechanism within the healthcare industry, while mandating healthcare insurance coverage on the backs of insured/taxpayers/citizens who have been subsidizing this service industry is corporate servitude under the color of law! With oil at $72.00 a barrel and the cost of energy again rising the “liberty sucking vacuum cleaner” again extracts vast wealth from America undermining any effective control measures geared towards health services. Life’s energy tax has decimated our economy and now the corporate insurance/providers want mandated healthcare! What would Thomas Jefferson say folks? Corporate Servitude???
Silence is a cancer………
We once had something very like these “co-ops”, if I understand what is being proposed. It was a non-profit system called Blue-Cross/Blue-Shield. It worked OK, but it was expensive enough small businesses vcould not afford it, and it did not take individuals. For-profit companies also killed it. They undercut it on price with the largest employers and the healthiest client polulations. It eventually became a for-profit, Anthem if I recall correctly.
So what does repeating the past 30 years do for us?
When are progressives going to get aggressive?
It is beyond woeful that the rabid right-wingers have had what they call BLAST FAXES to bombard ALL congressional offices with FAXes on their pet projects for YEARS! And they have beat up Congress with their message on all crucial bills. Yet there is not a single progressive cause that has taken up this tactic. It magnifies their voices by 535!!!! AND delivers it via FAX, not email.
All it would take is a mechanism to donate if cost is involved, plus a posted petition to be backed, plus the list of FAX numbers for all of the Senators and Congressmen.
Is there no progressive out there willing to create this thing?
WIll we always lose to the rabid right?
Why aren’t all Progressives Aggressive by now?!
Conrad is concerned for the Republican 21% voters, or maybe the health corporations or maybe both. He is a traitor sob with yellow in his spine and green in his pocket. Didn’t know before he is like that, stupid me.
Whenever I want to communicate with a person from Congress, Reps as well as Senators, I always do it by fax on the theory that they will be more likely to file a hard copy fax than to just delete it from their email or to trust that my true message has been conveyed by the congressional staff. Selise put together a file long ago with all the Reps’s phone numbers, fax numbers, etc. and the same for Senators. Since I don’t know whether these have been updated recently or not, and I don’t have the link handy, I will let someone ask Selise for the link and how long ago the numbers and names have been updated.
Nobody has figured that the people in Congress don’t care about what the people want, or need, or is good for the Country, and the people. They think of everything in Washington terms, they get what we want them to have. This is not representation, Democrocy, or good Government. Both sides are so worried about the cost of healthcare, but they never worry about the costs of wars, and the things they like, or want. We supplied healthcare to Iraqies and Afghans and paid them for doing nothing while our people went without. They just don’t really care about the American people. They do like to spend our money, and never ask what we want it spent on.
Conrad the other day said on television that they had to work with-in the rules of the Senate on healthcare. Those rules aren’t in the Constitution they were made up by Boobs like him. Rules made to benefit the parties in power, not the people. So we have to live under rules that asses thought was good for them at the time. Will the American People ever wake up that Government is only good if it works. A Government who has spent us in to uncontrolled debt, made hundreds of problems for the country, almost lost it all by allowing the crooks to run the show in the banks and wall street, and not fixed one problem in years is not good Government. A Governemnt which can’t protect it’s people, take care of it’s people, and act only in it’s peoples interest isn’t much to brag about.
Protecting us doesn’t mean lots of tanks, ships and planes. It means seeing that we are not taken to the cleaners by businesses, banks, insurance companies, and medical providers. It means that wall street shouldn’t be allowed to steal our money, and crooks not free to rip us off like the credit card companies. It means a Government who when it takes our money does good with it and not waste it. It means they protect us from the speculators, corporate crooks. It should see that fuels and energy are at low costs and abunant.
The economy is based on people doing good, which is good for business, and good for Government in the form of taxes. When they let big money interests run the show, they do fine while the rest suffer.
Healthcare could be paid for, and supplied to all, cheaper than what we are now spending. Yes! The ones ripping us off would have to lose. It’s alway fine if people lose, but never fine if big business loses.