There was a meeting yesterday of a House subcommittee where some important things were said by some front-line healthcare providers and medical educators, and although the important things they said were not well reported, I can sum up the testimony in five words…
Healthcare professionals want single payer.
That is because we have had a front-row seat to the horror show that is our current healthcare system and we have come to realize, some of us more quickly than others, that spiraling costs are the biggest problem we face, and the surest, fastest and most effective way to get those costs under control is to move to a single payer system. "Unless you can stop the insurance industry price gouging, we simply cannot make health care affordable, which means you either have price controls on the insurance industry or you take them out of the equation through single-payer reform," said Geri Jenkins, the co-president of the National Nurses Organizing Committee, which represents 86,000 registered nurses. "If we were to have a debate on containing costs, improving quality and universality, the single-payer advantage would be clear."
Walter Tsou, a University of Pennsylvania professor who is an adviser to Physicians for a National Health Program told the panel that for the last 50 years, government policy has protected insurance industry profits at the expense of taxpayers, doctors and hospitals. "Single-payer is the only reform that can control health care costs," he said bluntly. "Our most famous radical document begins with the words, ‘We the People.’ Not ‘We the Insurers.’ It is time for our own generation’s revolution."
We all know that the single payer discussion is one that we ought to be having, but politicians on every side are scared to death of it, to the point that even though we have a popular Democratic president with strong majorities in both chambers, Democratic legislators took single payer off the table early in the first round of discussions. Unsurprisingly, they regret that decision now. Oops. Probably shouldn’t have done that…
It has been fifteen years since at least a plurality, if not an outright majority, of those of us with initials other than “M.D.” behind our names started to wake up and smell the coffee. Too bad nobody listens to us.
Four of the five panelists, including Conyers, spoke in favor of single-payer. The only person in opposition was Manhattan Institute fellow David Gratzer, a doctor born and trained in Canada, who said the Canadian national-health system struggles to provide care to its citizens. "Like the Soviet Union, everything is free, nothing is available," Gratzer said.
But as long as Congress adequately funds health care, the other panelists said, that won’t be an issue. "If they were to put the same amount of money into their systems as we do into ours, there would be no waits," said Marcia Angell, a Harvard lecturer and former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.
"The reason our health care system is in such trouble is that it’s set up to generate profits, not to provide care," Angell said, noting that private insurers spend 20 percent on marketing and administrative costs, compared with 3 percent for Medicare. She deemed the health-insurance sector "an industry that offers almost nothing of value."
Most of the panelists dismissed concerns of job losses at private insurers, arguing that employment would increase overall given the increased demand for medical professionals. Jenkins estimated total job creation at 2.6 million.
Gratzer, the one panelist opposed to single payer, gave responses that at times seemed to try the patience of Rep. Rob Andrews (D-N.J.) who chaired the meeting, especially when he suggested that if people just spent more time “hanging out with the family doctor” individual health outcomes would improve. Although he doesn’t bother to tell us where all this extra ‘time’ doctors would spend hanging out with us would come from. Being a fellow healthcare professional, I get professional courtesy when I see my doctor on a regular basis, and he still only spends about five minutes per visit with me, tops. If I get ten it is because I have an issue that we need to discuss, and he spends the rest of his day trying to make up the extra few minutes he spent with me.
Of course the geezers at the AMA have a different and totally predictable slant on it. They not only oppose single payer, but any public option at all.
As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system.
The opposition, which comes as Mr. Obama prepares to address the powerful doctors’ group on Monday in Chicago, could be a major hurdle for advocates of a public insurance plan. The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.
While committed to the goal of affordable health insurance for all, the association had said in a general statement of principles that health services should be “provided through private markets, as they are currently.”
Now lets consider the source of the opposition. Yes, the AMA is the largest physicians group in the country, but that is their last – and fading – claim to relevance. Not only do they represent only about one-third of all doctors practicing in this country, and the doctors they do count as members are mostly specialists and a great n umber of them are nearing retirement. They have very few members under 40 and fewer still general practitioners in their membership.
It also bears remembering that the AMA has consistently opposed every attempt at reform for the better part of a century. This is the same group that opposed Medicare and denounced it as the first step on the path to totalitarianism. Before that, the opposed President Truman when he wanted to reform health care, and before they opposed Truman’s reform they managed to keep a healthcare provision out of FDRs original Social Security legislation.
On the other hand, the American Academy of Family Physicians – the group that is far more likely than the AMA to represent the doctor who returns your call at three a.m. when your child wakes up crying and spiking a temp – has staked out a common-sense position in the middle.
Their official position is that a public option is vital, but at least for now they oppose a single payer option. If I were to draw an analogy I would put it this way: The AAFP is not in favor of “Medicare for all” but they would offer whole hearted and full-throated support to a plan that resembled “S-CHIP for all.” (.pdf here) I would rather have single payer, but I could live with the AAFP’s version, especially when the alternative is the status quo.
The bottom line is this: Reform is coming, whether the AMA wants to accept that fact or not, and enough people have realized that every single argument that is made against a public option fails to stand up to scrutiny, because every single negative scenario they point to, patients already have to deal with every time their doctor orders a test, writes a prescription or schedules a procedure – and enough people are independently arriving at this conclusion that ‘critical mass’ is imminent.





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Thanks for laying out specifics about the AMA’s present membership profile, and its sorry history of opposing measures to ensure healthcare for all Americans.
Whatever happened to “First, do no harm?”
Thanks BlueGirl – rec’d
Hey BlueGirl, very nice to see you here!!
And great post!
AMA – would that be the American Moochers Association?
Excellent post and I hope we see this on FDL’s front page!
Thanks BlueGirl!
Yep. According to Harpers Index April edition
Sorry, no linky
folks should keep calling their Reps…keep calling
hey bluegirl, great diary!
I just put this downstairs and I think it goes on this thread as well;
little off topic but under the ama umbrella;
they complain all the time about premiums and the costs that are deferred onto patients
I have a simple solution;
why doesn’t the ama provide internal liability insurance for their members?
that will addresss a host of issues, for instance it will then be as efficient as possible with very little adminsitrative overhead and the rates will reflect actual liability rather then profit
it will also force them to police their own poor perperformers, get them off internal insurance and force them to go outside the box
this seems to me a no brainer yet I am the only person I ever heard talk about it
If Democratic Congresscritters keep insisting single payer is off the table, as is the likelihood for a credible public insurance option, then voters ought to demand the canceling of all Congressional benefits. If the government’s budget is in such dire straits, we can hardly afford to keep paying for medical, pension and other benefits for hundreds of millionaires who don’t need them and rarely earn them.
If they’re such good risks, McCain, Graham and Lieberman can afford to do without government paid benefits or obtain them in the private sector at reasonable cost.
The ban would apply only to elected officials. Civil servants usually work for a living and deserve the benefits.
As usual BG hits it square and head on. I’m always impressed but never surprised by her clear, concise narratives backed by actual research and real data.
amen! amen! amen!
in yesterday’s hearing one of the witnesses (i don’t remember which one) said something like:
This is a variation on “if men could get pregnant” line of argument, which might preclude treating pregnancy as a “disease”, etc. Something similar was the plot of Lysistrata, where women vowed not to have sex until their men gave up their war. The hardship was unendurable.
It’s time to get creative and do something politically different in order to shake-up the Beltway’s comfort zone, its sense of political invulnerability to the woes happening around them.
Interesting idea Perris. Here in AZ, a vast majority of doctors are (or at least were; haven’t checked lately) insured by a central medical insurance bank. You would think it would have the benefits you mention, but it did not. Instead, they charge(d) high premiums, fought every claim tooth and nail no matter how egregious, and built up such reserves that they just act with impunity. It is the gross amount of money and the impunity that exacerbates this part of the issue.
Thank you for this excellent report.
Wasn’t it in Texas recently where a group of doctors banded together to refuse service to anyone who had sued an M.D.?
Where an industry’s trade restrictions take precedence over patient care, over recompense for those wronged by negligent treatment, and over the public policy concern that an unhealthy and untreated citizenry is as dangerous as an uneducated one, it’s time to take the regulation of that industry out of its own hands.
The AMA just re-inforces the image of the greedy doctor who thinks about no one but him or herself. Instead of taking a responsible leadership role in the healthcare debate, the AMA decided to embrace the very system that most doctors say they hate. Why? Because those in the leadership of the AMA benefit from their ties with the medical and pharmaceutical industry. And because many specialists want to defend their right to get paid more for less work. Inertia, greed, and shortsightedness, these are the characteristics that describe the nation’s so-called premiere physicians organization.
wow, counter intuitive results and it seems like the idea needed some fine tuning
I kind of think an insurance bank administered by the very ama would have better results then simply an indipendant provider
don’t forget, the doctor would still be able to get outside insurance, if that were the case premiums should be more then competitive
anyway, thanx for that insight
BlueGirl – congratulations on being on the front page of Firedoglake. Excellent diary.
Insurance is no longer about spread / sharing risk… it’s a scheme to make money of risk. It’s a profit making racket which offers fewer people less for more making insurance companies lots of dough.
The profits are what’s in the way to health care delivery.
Greed does it every time.
Jeebus, had not heard that before.
Wow! Thanks for the reception, everyone! If any of you are in my zip code, could you pop over and pinch me? :)
History of the AMA . . . here’s a bit of interesting information from http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/ama.htm
Under the guise of guarding the (medical) henhouse, the foxes at the AMA have placed themselves above the “dirty masses” they treat. Thanks for your numbers . . . it’s nice to know that the ‘membership’ is declining, and offers hope that doctors will remember Hippocrates.
Dr. Henry Jones, M.D. “Soon after the medical monopoly was formed, it began to push its agenda of destroying all competition. A well-organized and -funded nationwide purge of all non-M.D.s was undertaken. Over the course of the first half of the Twentieth Century this medical monopoly managed to shut down over forty medical schools. Their idea was to keep the number of doctors low in order to keep fees up. After WW II the medical monopoly started rigidly controlling how many of each medical specialty it would allow to be trained. So, ophthalmologists, orthopedists, dermatologists, obstetricians, and others began to be in short supply. And of course when supplies are low, fees are high. The medical monopoly also managed to outlaw or marginalize over seventy healthcare professions. Protection of the healthcare consumer was, as always, the rationale for this power grab. Whether the object of destruction by the medical monopoly be homeopaths, midwives, chiropractors, or internet prescribers, the purge is conducted in the same manner. No scientific proof or research data is offered to discredit these practitioners. The entire approach is one of character assassination directed at their profession. ” More: How Medical Boards Nationalized Health Care
Great report, thanks! You bring hope BlueGirl.
OT-Whitehouse on Maddow this hour.
a person note of thanks to whoever it was that decided to promote this diary – it is so nice to see front page post on single payer universal health care.
more please!
I echo the thanks of others for pointing out the the AMA does not represent the majority of doctors. I never joined the AMA. I resigned from my specialty professional association 10 years ago because they lobbied for tort reform, which only represents a tiny part of medical “cost”. Patients have essentially lost the right to sue for malpractice in my state. Better they should work to identify and manage the physicians who are repeat “offenders” in the malpractice arena, but that is OT.
I wish every day for single payor health coverage. I have logged 5 hours already this week, on the phone with representatives of insurance companies. They won’t pay for things unless I do this, and the patient suffers. I spent time on the phone with two potential “new” patients this week, who had been trying for days to find a doctor using the list their insurance company gave them. My name was on the list, because I had been on their “panel” once, but not for the past 5 years. These patients were in tears, seeking mental health services, and couldn’t find doctors in their “plans”. I did the best I could to send these patients to a doctor, but I know they will have to wait up to a month to get in because the plans are kept deliberately limited to control access to care. How is this the best care in the world? People die waiting for care in this country.
Maybe we should all start calling Medicare and request to be enrolled. If they tell us we are too young, could we file an age discrimination suit?
Per everyone else, outstanding post. Thank you Blue Girl.
If you get a chance and have the interest and the time, these are some related issues, which I hope you might consider for future posts. I think we could all use more fluency wrt the details.
1. AFAIK, the Liasion Committee on Medical School Education, is ontrolled by the AMA and is the body the AMA uses to restrict the number of physicians, thus causing a chronic shortage.
What can we do to remedy that?
2. Why is the cost of medical school education so high? These are the best and the brightest? Why does it cost so much to educate each one?
Related to this, afaik, Medicare underwrites a big percentage of Medical School education. With the deficit hawks taking aim at Medicare, should we take this burden off of Medicare?
FDL has many great physicians, led by Kirk Murphy, so in no way do I want to come off as anti-physician.
Thanks again for a great post.
As with Wall Street bankers, some physicians go into it for the money. The CEO of at least one world ranked American clinic had gold plated in his personal elevator. Porsche would already be in bankruptcy if it weren’t for others. But as with lawyers and bankers, I don’t think that represents the standards or aspirations of a diverse profession. I do think it’s a priority that afflicts the health insurance industry, some hospitals and many in big pharma. By definition, it’s behavior that won’t fix itself. If we want it fixed, we’ll have to carry the water uphill ourselves.
Whoa Earl, now yer trying to take my Porsche away?? (Heh heh, okay I haven’t had one for a few years, but still).
Thanks to you too!
Perhaps there is an Oxdown diary in your future too? I hope so!
seconded!
Blue Girl–Great to see you here. Thank you very much for this diary on a subject near and dear to my heart.
My own very subjective take on the medical profession is that about half of the doctors in it are in it only for the money. About another third are unhappy in their jobs and would leave if they could and if the money weren’t so good. About 10-12% are what I would call hospital geeks who would be doing what they were doing no matter what. And about 1-2% would fit the stereotype of the well rounded, excellent and caring clinicians that the public would like to have as their doctor.
You ask some great questions and I will see if I can find answers to them. I flirted with the notion of taking a PRIMO (Primary Health Care Initiative for Missouri) scholarship and going through the D.O. program at the University of Health Sciences, but I am raising one last kid instead.
I think there should be separate programs for people like me. If I had taken that path, I would have had classmates who were born the year I started my career and been trained by teaching physicians I helped train as medical students. I’m sorry, and I don’t think I should have a separate set of rules just for me, but I should not have to do the exact same curriculum as a 22-year-old who just graduated from college. If there was a 2-year accelerated program for someone like me, like the 1-year program that qualified college graduates can put themselves through and have a Bachelors in Nursing when they are done, I would be all over it. I’m a lab scientist and blood banker – I think I could train to be a competent Hematologist in two years. But before we can realize something like that, we have to eliminate the AMAs gatekeeper role that was described in the excellent comment by Otchmoson @ 21.
Better yet, a turkey and a half at Gates!
I’ve met the good, caring kind and the guys who would operate on anything so long as you paid for it advance, plus one or two guys who think that their 7 series Beemer and the gold plate in their elevator is only what they deserve. Oddly, they all worked at the same, world-class clinic.
Oh, no. If you know how to drive one properly, it would be a pleasure to share the road with you. (Though in AZ, you probably couldn’t get it past second gear without stopping for one more “border” checkpoint.) I object to those who don’t know how to shift properly, but want one to fill out their codpiece, the way Cheney uses an overpaid Beltway lawyer.
Porsche is teetering on bankruptcy despite all those doctoral purchases, hoping VW will keep them from crashing into the stands. Hard to imagine a 911/Fahrvergnuegen hybrid.
Coming late to this party, but excellent post, bluegirl! Thanks.
Excellent post. If Al Frankin ever gets seated the battle will be on and potentially winnable. I agree that single payer is the best route, but I’m not opposed to mutual insurance groups – non-profit, large spread-the-risk enterprises that were the norm 50 years ago when Nixon gutted them and embraced HMOs/PPOs.
Let’s see many more posts, Blue Girl!
When Bmaz ask people listen
You must be a good friend
bmaz June 11th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
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I’m going to do something unusual here and ask you guys to take a gander at my friend BlueGirl’s first Oxdown that just went up a while back and, if so inclined, recommend it. It is about the AMA perfidy on healthcare reform. Thanks.
bmaz and I made history together once, a couple of years ago. He ask, I listen, too!
Thanks for the kind comment and the rec!
some of us have to take our lumps here you come in highly recommended..great post
I’ve congratulated Blue Girl at They Gave Us a Republic – where this is crossposted.
I first ran into her doing a bang- up job of whoop-ass on trolls at what was Kevin Drum’s Political Animal at Washington Monthly. Shortly after she found guests arriving at her private blog where she provided education on the perspective of a grownup military brat become grandparent : STARS medic gone to research – and even teaching : but mostly providing perspective and background usually in short supply.
Blue Girl Red State was moved before a change to joint blog : but even that was prefaced by work in the founding ‘Out of Iraq Bloggers Caucus’ and ‘Watching Those We Chose’. Missouri blogging doubtless wouldn’t be the same without her.
There should be no question. This lady has fans.