There is a book by Vernor Vinge called a Fire Upon the Deep. It is a great space opera read, but that is not what this post is about. In the book there are many alien civilizations that use an intra-galactic network to communicate with each other. It is obviously modeled on the early internet. In this book it is often called “The Net of a Thousand Lies” as there is no way to verify every piece of information posted on it by ever poster. This too is similar to the internet. Which leads to the Dog’s question today; how do you decide what to trust and what to ignore?
"Originally posted at Squarestate.net"
It is a question we should be asking ourselves on a regular basis. Part of what the Dog hears decried on the blogs is the lack of independent media, but short of fact checking organizations (who also could be biased) how do you decide what is true and what is hogwash? There is a tendency to only go and read or listen to those who share your opinions. If you are not accepting of the ideas of those who propose alternate theories of what happened on 9/11 (as the Dog is), how often would go to read them and think about them? While the Dog is has not seen any evidence that has convinced him it is all a cover up, there is always the chance there might actually be some. If one never looks, how would you find it?
This is not to say that everything should be judged to have the same value. There can be mistakes and bias in any published or posted piece of information. In the blogasphere is particularly true. It is not that there are not many (most even) bloggers who take accuracy as a major concern. It is that there are always going to be some who want to win for their cause by slanting or spinning things. There is nothing nefarious (most of the time) in this, everyone, even the Dog, is going to pitch things they like as positive and things they don’t as negative. The requirement is to have some kind of measurement system in place to allow for this and still be able to find useful information you can count on to in your decision making.
No matter what you do, if you want to have any level of confidence it will require work. The reality is you can not just rely on any single source to be so unbiased and fully accurate that you do not have to spend some time backing it up. If you want to know (as opposed to assume) then it will require cross checking wherever possible. While it is important to know what the interests are there is a danger in assigning motive to anyone, especially those you disagree with when trying to determine accuracy. It is nearly impossible to know why people do things (do you know why you do everything you do?) so this is an easy but added complication which needs to be treated with caution.
There is a tendency to decide that a certain source is not trust worthy ever. Fox news is a good example of this. At this point we know, with a high level of certainty that Fox is going to always slant the news in the direction of the conservative side of the equation. Prior to 2001 or so, there could be an argument, but now there is plenty of evidence. This is an easy one to identify but not all outlets are that way. Take the Washington Post for example. The Editorial page there is reliably conservatively slanted, but at the same time not all of the articles in the paper are that way. It does you no good to assume all of the information there is going to be biased. The best that can be said it some maybe.
If we are concerned about the bias of what is being posted or reported it is also important to recognize our own bias, the ones we use to filter the world. We tend to assume the things we like are correct and the things which we don’t or that contradict our existing point of view are wrong. It is never pleasant to learn that something you assumed was correct is not, especially if it goes to a deeply held belief. This is true whether that belief is that President Obama will always do what we thought he promised or if the belief is the Military Industrial Complex rules our nation through puppets.
To the Dog’s mind, one of the reasons the Republican Party is in such trouble is a failure to take in new information. There is a massive resistance to new ideas and data if they conflict with the accepted world view of the base of the party. Worse they have set up self-disciplining structures which are even now, in the face of two disastrous elections, losing the White House and both Houses of Congress to large majorities by the Democrats are keeping new ideas and reassessment of old ones from happening. While this is an extreme example the same can happen to individuals. It is important to challenge our assumptions from time to time, if for no other reason that to reaffirm them if the data still supports them.
Is all of this a lot harder than just reading and listing to those we agree with and assuming they are accurate in what they say? Hell yes! However when we are talking about the governance of our nation, shouldn’t we be willing to put in the time and the effort required to be sure? The Dog thinks this is actually the minimum level of effort, after all is there anything more important than how we are governed?
The floor is yours.





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It is easy to think skepticism and cynicism are the same thing, but really they do not have to be. If you are ready to have something proved to you, but you do require proof, that is not being cynical it is merely being cautious.
“There is a tendency to only go and read or listen to those who share your opinions.” ; Dog, it’s more than just a tendency, it’s a habit for more people than I can count. And it’s not just your ‘average person’ but a symptom that extends thru all strata of societies.
What IS so depressing is that, in this society -U.S.- where the saying ‘Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.” originated, is that it has been forgotten as a modus operandi.
Recommended. A very important and well written diary, Dog. What I hear is that we are first responsible for governing ourselves. It’s a constant job, but my experience has been that the more I open my mind and learn, the easier it gets.
I’m always eager to know what a situation, book, scene or whatever looks like from the other fellow’s viewpoint if they are standing at a point on the circle with the subject in the center. I have not found those who never leave the center to be of much value or to contribute much to enlightenment.
I rather imagine that Obama’s assessment of the presidency has changed drastically from what he thought when campaigning to what he has found after actually occupying the white house. The part of the iceberg that we know about is bad enough; he now is learning the size and depth of the whole thing and must deal with it. [I’m beyond disappointed that he too often chooses to deny and keep secret so much that we the people and our country must bear in many ways.]
Please keep sharing with us, Dog. [How’s that Netroots thing coming along?]
Thanks A74!
I agree, we have to work at this all the time!
As for Netroot’s I am currently 11th in total votes. I don’t know what that means in terms of the scholarship, some of the first round winners had less support than I do. We will find out this Friday if I made it. Thanks for the support!
Win or lose I will keep doing what I do, but it would be a lot more educational and fun to get scholarship!
Competition is the key to accurate reporting on the net, not authority or fact checkers.
I’ve had to discuss a variation on this several times at work, when managers worry about the “editorial control” over wikis. I try to point out that nobody is the all-powerful editor–and everyone is.
Traditional models of trustworthiness and accuracy–with their editors, authorities, fact checkers, and footnotes–are all variants of an Intelligent Design approach. The Editor is in His heaven, and all is right with the publishing world. This model is necessary when the means of publication are few and expensive.
Wikis, blogs, and websites are based on a ridiculously cheap publication mechanism–at least by historical standards. Anybody and anyone can publish–just witness the twitters from Iran in recent days.
The secret to authenticating content in such circumstances is cross-correlation. You see how many of the published claims are consistent and how many contradict. You check where they come from (to the extent that you can) and what you know about the originators. In a sense, you become a researcher/journalist in your own right, rather than a passive receptacle for the News (cross-correlation is what the justly celebrated Empty-Wheel does to extract truth from lying sources, after all).
This revolution in the economics of mass publication has spawned a new, Darwinian Natural Selection model of authority. There is no Editor in Heaven. Instead, the publications thrash it out in the marketplace of ideas and the unwashed democratic mob figures things out for itself. On a well-subscribed wiki, information gets hammered out by competing parties until it finally starts to settle around a version of the truth that can survice criticism in a large and diverse community. This is the new basis of trust: Greenwald and EmptyWheel generally pass through the cross-correlation ordeal unscathed while Fox News almost never does, and Robspierre, well …
This is why corporate managers are uncomfortable about real wikis. It is also why we have to defend network neutrality and the remains of the public wireless spectrum tooth and nail. Without the diversity and access, the new model collapses into monopoly publication, with none of the old editorial safeguards in place.
Healthy question for sure. Needed to read this. Thank you.