There is a fascinating but also frustrating "debate" over at The American Prospect on the prospects and merits of the public health plan concept. The participants are Robert Kuttner, Robert Reich, and Paul Starr.
You should read the whole debate, but here’s a quick intro:
Robert Kuttner favors single payer and argues that the political problems of getting there are no more difficult than those we’ll face getting a public plan and making it work.
Robert Reich likes single payer, too, but he agrees with those who think it’s not politically feasible, so let’s work hard to get a robust public plan for now.
Paul Starr isn’t committed to the public plan per se, but he’s adamant that a federally sponsored "exchange" be created to set the market rules, minimum acceptable coverage and quality/payment standards that all plans participating in the exchange should meet.
These are smart, thoughtful people, but they end their discussion still in basic disagreement about strategy and end goals. It’s critical for progressives to close these gaps, so I hope they’ll try again.
I agree with Kuttner and Reich that some version of single payer is the desired outcome (which may/may not allow private supplemental for features beyond the basics). Their disagreement is about how hard it is to achieve single payer given where we’re starting and the expected opposition. It’s clearly a judgment call, so progressives need a way to unify behind something to have any hopes of winning.
To give each side its due, I’ve suggested we work for a strong, well-defined public plan, but one that includes design goals/features that allow it to evolve (or not) toward single payer, depending on how the economics play out. It’s not single-payer by stealth; it’s single payer by design if/as it proves it’s merits and as individuals and businesses make choices.
How that choice plays out is the issue Starr addresses. (Discussed in Part II)
Like Ezra Klein, Starr believes the design and functions of a public "exchange" are more important than the public plan itself; indeed, Starr (and sometimes Klein) would accept a "weak" public plan if we got the desired exchange. Both cite the Urban Institute’s excellent description of what an exchange can accomplish and what it’s functions are. That’s a must read (pdf), but later.
Strangely, neither Klein nor Starr note that the Urban Institute’s paper describes both the public exchange and the public plan working together. It’s how they work together that determines how well they achieve the transformative and efficiency benefits of both. The exchange establishes the rules for reformed, efficient behavior, while the public plan modeled on those rules puts competitive pressure on private plans to make the reforms or lose market share.
I agree the functions, design and rules of the Exchange are critical. It not only provides the open "market place" where alternative plans are offered; it sets and enforces the qualifications, like minimum acceptable coverage, requirements to accept all comers regardless of risk or prior conditions (and banning rescission), and rules limiting price discrimination.
Thus, many of the desired reforms to end offensive insurer practices and inefficiencies would happen through the exchange under strong federal oversight. But that’s not enough to achieve the needed cost efficiencies. To get more of those, the public plan has to serve as the model for these reforms and pressure the industry to conform or lose market share. The two are complementary and both are essential.
I’ll pick up on Paul Starr’s concerns and other aspects of this debate in the next post, Part II.





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The exchange sounds like rearranging chairs on the Titanic. Looking back at how insurance companies produced a welter of difficult to compare changing plans for the Medicare Drug coverage, I would think it would be easy to game an exchange or obfuscate it.
I’m familiar with and sometimes consult for electricity “exchanges.” They’re absolutely essential to set the standards and make the system work. They are market coordinators, not market participants, and they have to be carefully designed.
But as you suggest, their design can be manipulated if regulatory authorities don’t know what they’re doing. We had huge religious war debates over the functions and designs of the original exchanges. In California, the utilities, Enron and other “middlemen” hoping to manipulate the rules dominated the design process; I was in that debate an we lost, thanks to the state and federal regulators not understanding that the structure of incentives determines outcomes. Enron understood that, but they were thought by the regulators to be the good guys. They were wrong. In other regions we were more successful; good designs won.
So yes, the exchange can lead to failure if the Enrons of the health industry dominate its design — and it has to be “designed.” But if designed correctly, it’s the thing that makes the system work. The more recent designs, now in more than half the country, drive prices to marginal costs and keep the lights on at the lowest dispatch cost across vast regional grids.
Electricity is very different in many ways from health care, so the analogy goes only so far, but the basic structure of having an exchange, or pool that provides basic reliability, open access for all, and in which alternatives compete, with the ability to have private contracts arranged outside the pool, is more or less the model Congress is talking about for health care. They just don’t know we’ve been there, done that.
The lessons we learned in these other markets are built in to my definition of what a “robust” public plan must include, though part of that description is about functions and requirements established by the exchange.
Thanks for these links, scarecrow. I’m as skeptical as Hugh about the exchange and the degree to which you can apply lessons from electricity to health care. But I appreciate the link to the strongest available arguments, to give my skepticism a run for its money.
i don’t think the analogy works — electricity exchange : health insurance exchange.
a health insurance exchange doesn’t coordinate a market for healthcare. it coordinates a market for private insurance — which does not provide healthcare, in fact the business model is dependent on denying access to healthcare. we need a market for electricity, we don’t need a market for health insurance.
maybe a healthcare exchange?
I asked a rhetorical question yesterday aimed at the general public ‘what would Jesus charge per patient?’ I would like to refine that to the more conservative types. Where does the profit motive fit in healing people?
A bit OT, but thought I’d share.
Harry Reid just sent a fundraising message that the big, bad Republicans are targeting him. After a couple of years on his list (never having sent money, but occasionally responding to action messages), today I requested I be unsubscribed from his list, with this message…
Too bad that it won’t make a difference. But there’s the bigger problem, isn’t it? Nothing ever does.
Thanks, Scarecrow, for another great effort here.
You’re right to be skeptical about taking the analogy too far. Importantly, electricity is a commodity, and the same commodity is produced by every generator, regardless of technology or fuel. Wind energy and nuke energy are the same. So it’s easier to design a workable market for a commodity than for the multi-service aspects of health care provision. The analogy ends there.
But if the goal is to set up a common frameworks in which people can choose between alternatives, and still have basic requirements that each alternative must meet, they we’ve actually thought about these problems and how to structure the incentives to avoid cost-shifting and manipulation. Those lessons can be helpful, but only if Congress supports the goals of choice, setting good standards, using competitive pressure and avoiding adverse selection.
Unfortunately our current Congress does not appear to be committed to any of these goals. The want to protect insurers, employer-based plans, and the budget. So this debate I’m engaging will only become relevant if people calling their elected officials convince them to change their goals.
This is a horrendously difficult undertaking doing it this way, and the argument that it would be even harder to announce that on January 1, 2015, single payer will replace what we have, remains an open question in my mind.
I haven’t read the discussion yet, but I’m familiar with the participants and their plans.
The only answer to costs, equity, and accountability is SINGLE PAYER.
3 point public option (universally available on day 1 and accountable to congress and voters) is the compromise for now.
Are Americans too brainwashed by BIGMEDIA to understand that we should be allowed to pay for our own healthcare, by ourselves, through the instrument of our own government, without private interference whether by corporation, tycoon, pirate, or astroturf group?
Interestingly, there are proposals to design markets for specific kinds of health care. There was an NYT op-ed about a month ago in which a cardiac specialists was suggesting a declining clock auction (which is used in several states — e.g., New Jersey — for electricity!) as a way to select providers for a common type of surgery and to establish a price for it.
The problem, of course, is convincing everyone that open heart surgery can be thought of like a commodity — all providers are the same, so you don’t care who cuts you open, as long as the won the auction. NEXT!
LOL!
you’ve convinced me — i don’t want an exchange in healthcare either.
No, not for care; but you should want someone to perform the functions of an exchange in a system that retains health insurance and allows choice. The rules by which choice is exercised (and money/payments/subsidies flow with it) have to be thought through. That’s why I’m spending time on this.
Meanwhile, Congress is on another planet, where solving these real problem is not the goal. We can’t beat them up enough.
Healthcare exchange or not, we don’t seem close to getting a public option, just a MANDATE to purchase insurance from for-profit companies. I have one question about this: When I pay my (legally mandated) healthcare premium each month, am I allowed to deduct the 30% that goes to waste, fraud, and excess CEO compensation?
Yes, but you would be presumed to have a prior mental condition (logic) that disqualifies you from coverage.
Republics are determined to stop any and all of this health care stuff. After all, if it’s available to everyone, what is the point of working hard to be born wealthy?
They are mostly all asking for money…and giving us nothing to show for it.
Maybe we should go back to bartering. You remove my appendix and I’ll repair your car. Sound fair?
IOW, What would Jesus rob Peter in premiums, co-pays, out-of-pockets, recissions, and surprise benefit denials to pay Paul in executive bonuses and stock dividends?
Forget the Republicans; they’re irrelevant because they won’t vote for anything worthwhile. Our problem is that we may not have a bare majority from just Dems who care enough or are strong enough to get this right.
exactly. this is, in short, the political reality as i see it.
if that’s correct, then going the public option route means everything depends on not just the legislation but also the rules, regulations and enforcement. i expect the insurance companies, and their puppets in gov, would fight like hell to make those rules, regulations and enforcement mechanisms industry friendly. and that means we would be fighting for small incremental improvements (nothing like what could be achieved with single payer) — mostly out of sight of the public, involving complicated rules and importantly NEVER ending. and any benefits of that reform could be easily destroyed by another bush-like administration (if not a summers led economic team). i think it’s smart to try to work for something (like social security) that is robust enough to survive the occasional political environment that wants to destroy it.
alternatively, the fight for single payer can be a public fight over a vastly improved healthcare system (everyone in, no one out and no co-pays, co-insurance or deductibles). that fight, i think, is one that the public can be mobilized to support in a way it never can for a public plan (even if such a thing existed – actual legislation with associated studies, evidence etc).
i don’t understand the public-plan-in-a-multi-payer-system as policy and i don’t understand it as politics either.
via Josh,
Politico has HELP Comm ‘leak’ – is this news ?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo…..leased.php
I can’t help thinking there is a kind of “If, then … but if” argument going on here. If we can design a good exchange, then the exchange will work, but if we can design an exchange system that works, why can’t we design a single payer universal system which will be simpler, more effective, and less expensive?
Too funny! heh
Agree on the elegance/simplisit of what the individual sees. What’s proposed can’t match that, though must try to emulate it, as I’ve written before.
This post is approaching the weeds where eyes start to glaze over; the basics are simpler:
People can choose their plans
All plans have to meet basic standards set by a federal oversee
No plan can refuse anyone, rescind, price discriminate, etc
One of the plans you can choose is government-sponsored
What/how you pay depends on the plan you choose
That’s what the individual sees. All the harder details are behind the scenes accounting rules, but they matter
Doesn’t look different from what has been talked about for weeks. The leak that they’re working on a “strong” public plan is new.
I’m not arguing we can’t design a single payer system. Obviously we could. The issue I’m addressing is, “suppose Congress won’t allow us to design single payer, but we are allowed to design an “exchange” and “public plan,” which is where the HELP Committee is going. What do those need to look like and what kinds of design details should we worry about?
I’m also trying to encourage the discussion of designs to keep pushing, because there is a plausible argument that they will get to the point where they say, “we can’t solve this adverse selection problem” given the constraints on keeping employer-provided plans, saving the insurers, etc. If the public plan advocates get to that point, it means that the current assumptions don’t get you to reforms. It’s important for everyone to get to that point.
Then all progressives be in a position to oppose reform effort unless/until it puts single payer back on the table. right now, we’re split, and we have to close that gap to get anywhere. But very few want to think it through.
If our political elites “won’t allow us to design single payer,” it is unlikely that they will allow us to design an effective exchange. As we just saw with the Waxman-Markey bill, lawmakers are quite adept at not addressing a problem at the same time they say they are. So I see no impediment to them adding a little window dressing to finesse adverse selection in a way which really doesn’t affect it.
this individual doesn’t want to have to choose a plan.
i want to choose my doctors.
i’d be happy to change my mind, but unless public plan advocates can show me a solution — i have to say i think they already are at that point but just aren’t willing to say so.
p.s.
excellent point. i don’t even know how to think it through. but i know i want to see is the public plan advocates/experts engage and debate with the policy critique the single payer advocates/experts have. i’m tired of hearing (not from you scarecrow) that there is no point to discussing single payer policy because it’s not currently politically feasible.
Overheard at the Exchange:
Waiter waiter, can I change that order. Instead of private insurance I’d like a big order of onion rings and a lemonade. Heh.
Overheard on the Exchange:
Yes, *logicality* IS a problem sir. No, we won’t be your insurers tonight. You’ll have to get insurance from the government if you REALLY want to understand your policy.
Should we deny Republicans the opportunity to buy into that kind of private insurance? I for one think that would be a cruel thing to do. They should retain their private option.
Just call it wealth redistribution for the willing.
They control which doctors & hospitals you can use because they’re looking out for your interests. Obviously if you could pick just any doctor there’s a good chance that doctor might overcharge.
Nobody could expect that, but insurers are already on the job looking out for YOUR interests.
/s
Wouldn’t it be nice if the insurer would just deal with the premiums and bills and leave it to you to pick your doctor — total portability?
I mean, really, how much chance is there that the one doctor you pick is going to charge soooo much more than some other doctor. Don’t they all pretty much charge whatever their sadistic imaginations suggest?
Would people continue to go to a gas station that charged $180 for 5 minutes of fueling? Oh wait, we’re almost there already.
I suppose the worst is that there really isn’t much difference in prices from one gas station to another or from one doctor to another — they’re all charging more than you’ve got.
I think that if Congress won’t “allow” you to choose single payer, you need a new Congress.
If you want to know how single payer works, why not choose any of the systems that the rest of the civilised already uses?
You’re right, Hugh, and what I’m finding distressing is so many “progressives” debating really good ways for them to do it.