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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The should Westerners need a non-Western perspective to understand?  Are people’s hatred and violence more comfortably understood in the East?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: dcdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Justin,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think “anti-Jewish hate monger” is a bit too much, but not so wide of the mark. He certainly treats very differently violence against Muslims and violence against Jews, as well as the Israeli/Arab conflict in a very “asymmetric” fashion. But as it seems you have found out, if you would try to challenge him on his own website, the misnomered Tikun Olam, you are likely to find yourself banned. Silverstein will not hear anyone say he is “anti-Israel” or not a “Zionist,” and goes up in smoke when someone comes along to say it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Striking little dissent on his blogsite, because Silverstsein doesn’t allow it.  Most posters applaud him, when they aren’t going even further than he does. It seems that while Silverstein has a problem with the likes of you, he has none with those who post to his website to say “f— Israel,” as they do. And Joachim Martillo, a zealous antisemite, regularly shows up to post on Silverstein’s website, with links to his own website that leave no doubt that Martillo is a dedicated antisemite, not someone given to the occasional antisemiti utterance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, I don’t see “a wolf in sheep’s clothing,” since Silverstein does’t dissemble, instead clearly advertising what he is.  But no question about his pronounced “anti-Israel bias,” and even an “anti-Jewish bias” (if those two are not one and the same, or pretty much equivalent).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>I think “anti-Jewish hate monger” is a bit too much, but not so wide of the mark. He certainly treats very differently violence against Muslims and violence against Jews, as well as the Israeli/Arab conflict in a very “asymmetric” fashion. But as it seems you have found out, if you would try to challenge him on his own website, the misnomered Tikun Olam, you are likely to find yourself banned. Silverstein will not hear anyone say he is “anti-Israel” or not a “Zionist,” and goes up in smoke when someone comes along to say it. </p>
<p>Striking little dissent on his blogsite, because Silverstsein doesn’t allow it.  Most posters applaud him, when they aren’t going even further than he does. It seems that while Silverstein has a problem with the likes of you, he has none with those who post to his website to say “f— Israel,” as they do. And Joachim Martillo, a zealous antisemite, regularly shows up to post on Silverstein’s website, with links to his own website that leave no doubt that Martillo is a dedicated antisemite, not someone given to the occasional antisemiti utterance.</p>
<p>Finally, I don’t see “a wolf in sheep’s clothing,” since Silverstein does’t dissemble, instead clearly advertising what he is.  But no question about his pronounced “anti-Israel bias,” and even an “anti-Jewish bias” (if those two are not one and the same, or pretty much equivalent).</p>
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		<title>By: eathummus</title>
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		<dc:creator>eathummus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, unlike the rest of you, I am not happy to see the proliferation of such materials.  Silverstein is a anti-Jewish hate monger whom I’ve been tangling with for some time now.  He doesn’t have a command of Judaism and his ignorance of “his own” religion is only surpassed by his hatred of free speech and religious Jews.  On my own blog, Taming Korach, I have covered his antics, having been censored by him (after having shown him to be wrong on many occasions).  Richard Silverstein is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and unfortunately those who don’t understand the Israeli/Arab conflict well from a non-Western perspective fall into the trap of Silverstein’s deceitful anti-Israel bias.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Justin White&lt;br /&gt;
Jerusalem, Israel&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asdl.biz/2009/06/jewish-scum-silverstein-shows-his-true.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.asdl.biz/2009/06/je.....-true.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, unlike the rest of you, I am not happy to see the proliferation of such materials.  Silverstein is a anti-Jewish hate monger whom I’ve been tangling with for some time now.  He doesn’t have a command of Judaism and his ignorance of “his own” religion is only surpassed by his hatred of free speech and religious Jews.  On my own blog, Taming Korach, I have covered his antics, having been censored by him (after having shown him to be wrong on many occasions).  Richard Silverstein is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and unfortunately those who don’t understand the Israeli/Arab conflict well from a non-Western perspective fall into the trap of Silverstein’s deceitful anti-Israel bias.</p>
<p>Justin White<br />
Jerusalem, Israel<br /><a href="http://www.asdl.biz/2009/06/jewish-scum-silverstein-shows-his-true.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.asdl.biz/2009/06/je&#8230;..-true.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: dcdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Given the history of Muslim-Jewish violence in here in Seattle, where a mentally disturbed Pakistani-American attacked our local Jewish federation building and killed a staff member and wounded five others, it is imperative that the local Jewish community strongly denounce this Islamophobic act&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Pakistani-American murdered one Jewish woman and seriously wounded five others not too long ago, that is the history of Muslim violence against Jews in Seattle to which you allude? Any instances of similar, if less serious, violence against Muslims by Jews there in Seattle? If not, and there is no link to Garner, why do you say it is incumbent for the Seattle Jewish community in particular to “strongly denounce this Islamophobic act.” Do you consistently call out acts of violence against Jews here and elsewhere in the world, calling upon Muslim communities to loudly denounce those acts?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the case of the Muslim woman murdered in Germany by a neo-Nazi (not a Jew), you demand that Abe Foxman, head of B’nai B’rith’s Anti Defamation League to denounce that racist violence. Isn’t that the same Abe Foxman and ADL that you regularly denounce? When a neo-Nazi entered the Holocaust Museum with a rifle last month to kill Jews, but only managed to kill an African-American guard before he was shot and disabled himself, you &lt;em&gt;anticipatorily&lt;/em&gt; attacked Foxman and ADL, at the same time praising CAIR: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;the usual suspects among the Jewish leadership will line up on this. Instead of describing this incident as the lone act of a desperate, mentally unstable creature…they will seek to parlay this incident into a much wider anti-Semitic conspiracy. People like Abe Foxman live for tragedies like this. You wait. Tomorrow or the next day he’ll be holding a press conference with the security guard’s wife telling the world that African-Americans and Jews must make common cause against the vast anti-Semitic conspiracy…Mark my words, it’s coming.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would have been unseemly for Foxman to “tell the world that African-Americans and Jews must make common cause” against the sort of racism and antisemitism that the murder of that guard represents, but you demand that Foxman decry that attack in Germany by a neo-Nazi, something that the German Jewish community did promptly and unequivocally?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will you post something under the heading, “They Kill Jewish Women (and Men), Don’t They”? Or you don’t do that because somehow it isn’t the progressive thing, Richard?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given the history of Muslim-Jewish violence in here in Seattle, where a mentally disturbed Pakistani-American attacked our local Jewish federation building and killed a staff member and wounded five others, it is imperative that the local Jewish community strongly denounce this Islamophobic act</p>
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<p>A Pakistani-American murdered one Jewish woman and seriously wounded five others not too long ago, that is the history of Muslim violence against Jews in Seattle to which you allude? Any instances of similar, if less serious, violence against Muslims by Jews there in Seattle? If not, and there is no link to Garner, why do you say it is incumbent for the Seattle Jewish community in particular to “strongly denounce this Islamophobic act.” Do you consistently call out acts of violence against Jews here and elsewhere in the world, calling upon Muslim communities to loudly denounce those acts?</p>
<p>In the case of the Muslim woman murdered in Germany by a neo-Nazi (not a Jew), you demand that Abe Foxman, head of B’nai B’rith’s Anti Defamation League to denounce that racist violence. Isn’t that the same Abe Foxman and ADL that you regularly denounce? When a neo-Nazi entered the Holocaust Museum with a rifle last month to kill Jews, but only managed to kill an African-American guard before he was shot and disabled himself, you <em>anticipatorily</em> attacked Foxman and ADL, at the same time praising CAIR: </p>
<blockquote><p>the usual suspects among the Jewish leadership will line up on this. Instead of describing this incident as the lone act of a desperate, mentally unstable creature…they will seek to parlay this incident into a much wider anti-Semitic conspiracy. People like Abe Foxman live for tragedies like this. You wait. Tomorrow or the next day he’ll be holding a press conference with the security guard’s wife telling the world that African-Americans and Jews must make common cause against the vast anti-Semitic conspiracy…Mark my words, it’s coming.</p>
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<p>It would have been unseemly for Foxman to “tell the world that African-Americans and Jews must make common cause” against the sort of racism and antisemitism that the murder of that guard represents, but you demand that Foxman decry that attack in Germany by a neo-Nazi, something that the German Jewish community did promptly and unequivocally?</p>
<p>Will you post something under the heading, “They Kill Jewish Women (and Men), Don’t They”? Or you don’t do that because somehow it isn’t the progressive thing, Richard?</p>
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		<title>By: macaquerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>macaquerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;$150,000 doesn’t sound like much funding for a world-wide effort. This sum is probably what each of these people are paid on a monthly basis.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$150,000 doesn’t sound like much funding for a world-wide effort. This sum is probably what each of these people are paid on a monthly basis.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6215/comment-page-1#comment-55699</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Link for Comment for Free or mayhaps a crosspost?  I got a MySpace(?) site and a couple others.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link for Comment for Free or mayhaps a crosspost?  I got a MySpace(?) site and a couple others.</p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6215/comment-page-1#comment-55627</link>
		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE:”…we have a resident Zionist here who is a hasbara operative…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FROM YNET: “Thought-Police Is Here (in Israel)”, by Rona Kuperboim, 07/10/09 &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan this week: Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Foreign Ministry intends to hire young people who speak at least one language and who study communication, political science, or law — or alternately, Israelis with military experience gained at units dealing with information analysis….. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;….Something worrisome is happening here lately. We see the accumulation of silencing attempts. The Nakba Law, the bill calling for a ban on protests outside the homes of politicians, Lieberman’s Loyalty Law, and the biometric information database. The free speech hunting season is on…. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ENTIRE ARTICLE - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744516,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ynetnews.com/articl.....16,00.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:”…we have a resident Zionist here who is a hasbara operative…”</p>
<p>FROM YNET: “Thought-Police Is Here (in Israel)”, by Rona Kuperboim, 07/10/09 </p>
<p>The Foreign Ministry unveiled a new plan this week: Paying talkbackers to post pro-Israel responses on websites worldwide. A total of NIS 600,000 (roughly $150,000) will be earmarked to the establishment of an “Internet warfare” squad. </p>
<p>The Foreign Ministry intends to hire young people who speak at least one language and who study communication, political science, or law — or alternately, Israelis with military experience gained at units dealing with information analysis….. </p>
<p>….Something worrisome is happening here lately. We see the accumulation of silencing attempts. The Nakba Law, the bill calling for a ban on protests outside the homes of politicians, Lieberman’s Loyalty Law, and the biometric information database. The free speech hunting season is on…. </p>
<p>ENTIRE ARTICLE &#8211; <a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3744516,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ynetnews.com/articl&#8230;..16,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6215/comment-page-1#comment-55625</link>
		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Welcome, and thank you, Richard.&lt;br /&gt;
I heard the tail end of this story on NPR the other day, but all that I really caught was that there was a killing in a German courtroom.  Thanks for the full story and background.&lt;br /&gt;
I have seen it nowhere else.  For all we slam NPR (and rightfully so, especially the current “ombudsman”), they do still cover many issues nobody else in the MSM does.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And here we have another example of what hate talk can do and sheer bigotry can do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, and thank you, Richard.<br />
I heard the tail end of this story on NPR the other day, but all that I really caught was that there was a killing in a German courtroom.  Thanks for the full story and background.<br />
I have seen it nowhere else.  For all we slam NPR (and rightfully so, especially the current “ombudsman”), they do still cover many issues nobody else in the MSM does.</p>
<p>And here we have another example of what hate talk can do and sheer bigotry can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve got a piece coming out at Comment is Free on that today or tomorrow.  Isn’t it amazing that the Israel lobby turns to a rightist Republican strategist to map its campaign to win over the Obama administration &amp; a Democratic Congress?  If this isn’t yet another indication of their obtuseness I don’t know what is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve got a piece coming out at Comment is Free on that today or tomorrow.  Isn’t it amazing that the Israel lobby turns to a rightist Republican strategist to map its campaign to win over the Obama administration &amp; a Democratic Congress?  If this isn’t yet another indication of their obtuseness I don’t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the hit.  Who’da thunk Frank Luntz was involved?  I like the “not for distribution or publication” caveat.  Have something to hide there, boys?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the hit.  Who’da thunk Frank Luntz was involved?  I like the “not for distribution or publication” caveat.  Have something to hide there, boys?</p>
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