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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4471</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thera,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Look at the Pakistani leader who now has a fatwa against him after his meeting with Palin! &lt;strong&gt;All because of Palin’s inappropriately flirtatious behavior due to not maintaining professional boundaries&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You aren’t insinuating that Palin is responsible for these men’s behavior, are you?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The way I understand what you’ve written is due to her lack of boundaries, others think it’s okay to reciprocate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thera,</p>
<p>I have a question.</p>
<blockquote><p>Look at the Pakistani leader who now has a fatwa against him after his meeting with Palin! <strong>All because of Palin’s inappropriately flirtatious behavior due to not maintaining professional boundaries</strong>.</p>
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<p>You aren’t insinuating that Palin is responsible for these men’s behavior, are you?</p>
<p>The way I understand what you’ve written is due to her lack of boundaries, others think it’s okay to reciprocate.</p>
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		<title>By: JRCJ</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4463</link>
		<dc:creator>JRCJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m so glad to read this. I had her pegged as a NPD pretty much after she hit the national scene. I once worked with an NPD boss–you can see them coming a mile away once you’ve had to deal with one. Inch deep, no empathy, paranoid, needs constant praise, distorts others intentions, petulant, etc., etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reason I’m glad to read this is because its very, very serious. The idea of having a VPOTUS, and by extension if something happened to McCain, a POTUS  also have NPD is just beyond scary in my opinion. Nuclear codes in her hands?  Makes me want to throw up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m so glad to read this. I had her pegged as a NPD pretty much after she hit the national scene. I once worked with an NPD boss–you can see them coming a mile away once you’ve had to deal with one. Inch deep, no empathy, paranoid, needs constant praise, distorts others intentions, petulant, etc., etc.</p>
<p>The reason I’m glad to read this is because its very, very serious. The idea of having a VPOTUS, and by extension if something happened to McCain, a POTUS  also have NPD is just beyond scary in my opinion. Nuclear codes in her hands?  Makes me want to throw up.</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4204</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TPM, as many know, has huge software problems.  Right now they are doing beta testing.  In an effort to help, I just tried to post this at the beta site.  Instead, I got signed in to the regular site.  So, now there’s a duplicate post there… and I didn’t even get the beta chance to preview it before it posted… so it’s got huge boundaries there between the paragraphs.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just wanted to post this explanation.  I truly had assumed I was posting into the beta ether…..  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, well, Karma works in strange ways, does it not?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TPM, as many know, has huge software problems.  Right now they are doing beta testing.  In an effort to help, I just tried to post this at the beta site.  Instead, I got signed in to the regular site.  So, now there’s a duplicate post there… and I didn’t even get the beta chance to preview it before it posted… so it’s got huge boundaries there between the paragraphs.  </p>
<p>Just wanted to post this explanation.  I truly had assumed I was posting into the beta ether…..  </p>
<p>Oh, well, Karma works in strange ways, does it not?</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4199</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please feel free to take these points and make use of them anywhere.  No need to make an attribution.  Just get the word out.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As you likely realize, there’s a whole new area of Palin fuzzy boundaries, related to who built her house and cronyism related to the Wasilla sports complex contracting.  As&lt;a href=&quot;http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/house-gate/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; AKmuckraker at mudflats put it&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;once you’ve established something is an onion, it doesn’t matter how many layers you peel away, it’s still an onion.  And once you’ve established that someone abuses a position of power for self-gain (which we just did when the Branchflower Troopergate report was released), you can pretty well imagine that no matter how many layers you peel away, you’re likely to find more of the same.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please feel free to take these points and make use of them anywhere.  No need to make an attribution.  Just get the word out.  </p>
<p>As you likely realize, there’s a whole new area of Palin fuzzy boundaries, related to who built her house and cronyism related to the Wasilla sports complex contracting.  As<a href="http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/house-gate/" rel="nofollow"> AKmuckraker at mudflats put it</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>once you’ve established something is an onion, it doesn’t matter how many layers you peel away, it’s still an onion.  And once you’ve established that someone abuses a position of power for self-gain (which we just did when the Branchflower Troopergate report was released), you can pretty well imagine that no matter how many layers you peel away, you’re likely to find more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4189</link>
		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is no downside in life anymore for anyone with the most remote connections (and the rest know that if they button their lip they can stay there).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadly cheaters win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just look at the jerk blazing down the breakdown lane and cutting people off in traffic - they get ahead. Carry that up the chain and you get CEO’s that have no downside (they can take all the money, screw the company up, and then in addition walk away with 45Million). None of them get charged - hell even when the evidence that they were criminal - or an obvious need for an investigation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now illegal abuse of power is nothing to pols, media, law. One would think it would be the most dispicable crime there is. Abuse of power is just like child abuse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks FORD you asshole (and Nixon and RayGun and Bush the perps).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no downside in life anymore for anyone with the most remote connections (and the rest know that if they button their lip they can stay there).</p>
<p>Sadly cheaters win.</p>
<p>Just look at the jerk blazing down the breakdown lane and cutting people off in traffic &#8211; they get ahead. Carry that up the chain and you get CEO’s that have no downside (they can take all the money, screw the company up, and then in addition walk away with 45Million). None of them get charged &#8211; hell even when the evidence that they were criminal &#8211; or an obvious need for an investigation.</p>
<p>Now illegal abuse of power is nothing to pols, media, law. One would think it would be the most dispicable crime there is. Abuse of power is just like child abuse.</p>
<p>Thanks FORD you asshole (and Nixon and RayGun and Bush the perps).</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Terrific, absolutely terrific posting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;5. On the other hand, failure to see such boundaries also leads Palin to “use” her children as political props. She fails to see that her responsibilities as a parent supersede her desire to show off a family or seek votes based this or that family member.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not long after all four of the Obamas sat down with someone (Katie Couric or somebody) Barack Obama stated there wouldn’t be anymore of those kinds of settings or interviews.  I think it became quite clear, quite quickly, to him and his wife where it might lead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific, absolutely terrific posting.</p>
<p><i>5. On the other hand, failure to see such boundaries also leads Palin to “use” her children as political props. She fails to see that her responsibilities as a parent supersede her desire to show off a family or seek votes based this or that family member.</i></p>
<p>Not long after all four of the Obamas sat down with someone (Katie Couric or somebody) Barack Obama stated there wouldn’t be anymore of those kinds of settings or interviews.  I think it became quite clear, quite quickly, to him and his wife where it might lead.</p>
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		<title>By: spurious</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4187</link>
		<dc:creator>spurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great post!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4185</link>
		<dc:creator>lokywoky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TheraP, this is an excellent post and helps a lot of us understand why we have a visceral negative reaction to her (and a lot of other people just like her).  I think it is important to keep putting these perspectives out in the world so that with understanding, people are in a position to do something about it (like not vote for her for dogcatcher or anything else!).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It speaks IMHO that all of us need to pay attention to those ‘gut’ reactions and run the other way - even if we don’t understand why.  Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheraP, this is an excellent post and helps a lot of us understand why we have a visceral negative reaction to her (and a lot of other people just like her).  I think it is important to keep putting these perspectives out in the world so that with understanding, people are in a position to do something about it (like not vote for her for dogcatcher or anything else!).</p>
<p>It speaks IMHO that all of us need to pay attention to those ‘gut’ reactions and run the other way &#8211; even if we don’t understand why.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4184</link>
		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An acute lack of self awareness, another textbook Republican trait.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Awesome diary TheraP.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Awesome diary TheraP.</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/636/comment-page-1#comment-4183</link>
		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like this post very much TheraP.  thanks for posting.  The stuff about not being supported when someone else differentiates himself with a different opinion or action than Ms. Palin was very telling to me.  People like that are in a box and the objects that enter her world are to be controlled like so many teddy bears and dolls, including McCain.  It should get interesting.  But at the same time, they can know when that object can do damage to them and blow up in their faces, so they can back off when they sense that.  Finely honed survival skills.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The other interesting thing is biting the hand that feeds you.  People should be loyal to Ms. Palin, but she doesn’t feel the need to return the favor to people who supported her ie the resignation and finger pointing at the person who appointed her to the oil board.  She got bored or knew she was in over her head and rather than fail, she quit with style and either internally or not, blamed him for putting her in that position.  I bet the same with happen to McCain.  She’s already blaming the press for her lamo interviews.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OTOH, I wonder if some voters will have some sort of cognitive dissonance about her Sally Fields perkiness (sorry Sally! Love ya!) and the crude selfishness she so clearly displays to people around her.  Grace Kelly was well known to sleep with her leading men, but she wore the very proper white gloves that the rep of loose woman just didn’t stick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post very much TheraP.  thanks for posting.  The stuff about not being supported when someone else differentiates himself with a different opinion or action than Ms. Palin was very telling to me.  People like that are in a box and the objects that enter her world are to be controlled like so many teddy bears and dolls, including McCain.  It should get interesting.  But at the same time, they can know when that object can do damage to them and blow up in their faces, so they can back off when they sense that.  Finely honed survival skills.</p>
<p>The other interesting thing is biting the hand that feeds you.  People should be loyal to Ms. Palin, but she doesn’t feel the need to return the favor to people who supported her ie the resignation and finger pointing at the person who appointed her to the oil board.  She got bored or knew she was in over her head and rather than fail, she quit with style and either internally or not, blamed him for putting her in that position.  I bet the same with happen to McCain.  She’s already blaming the press for her lamo interviews.  </p>
<p>OTOH, I wonder if some voters will have some sort of cognitive dissonance about her Sally Fields perkiness (sorry Sally! Love ya!) and the crude selfishness she so clearly displays to people around her.  Grace Kelly was well known to sleep with her leading men, but she wore the very proper white gloves that the rep of loose woman just didn’t stick.</p>
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