There’s been some concern about why the House reform bill — America’s Affordable Health Choices Act — delays availability of the public plan until 2013.
But to understand that better, you need to spend a few minutes watching any of the cable "news" shows, and especially Fox News, as they discuss the various health care reform proposals.
In short, it’s about the taxes, and the fact that Fox News doesn’t care that 18,000 people die each year from lack of insurance converage.
I had just watched President Obama’s Rose Garden news event on MSNBC, saw Andrea Mitchell then turn to Pat Buchanan for comment !!! and then over to Fox News to see a deliberately uninformed anchor interview Marsha Blackburn and Rep. Yarmouth. Yarmouth did his best to correct the Fox anchor and Blackburn and explain what the bill actually does, and Blackburn did her best to flat out lie about it. The anchor was both duplicitous and clueless. And that’s what we’re in for.
All the anchor wanted to talk about was that terrible tax increase on the "so called wealthy" ($350,000/year doesn’t quality) and "so called super rich" ($1 million just doesn’t go as far as it used to). A later interviewee worried about the guy who operates the hot dog stand on the corner outside the NYSE, who will get wiped out by the Democrat’s new taxes.
You would never know from the cable news coverage that the House and Senate HELP Committee bills will end hateful and fraudulent insurer policies like rescission, denial for previous conditions and other forms of discrimination. Nor would you learn that tens of millions of uninsured people will gain coverage, that under-insured people will be protected with stronger basic plans.
And those reductions in Medicare payments? You won’t hear about reducing the cost of people currently ininsured and improving payment incentives; no, they’re about reducing care and services for Medicare patients — we’re going cheat older people out of Medicare!!! It’s an absolute lie, but get used to hearing it.
And never mind the misinformation about the public plan. Marsha Blackburn just made up stuff on that, based on a completely different plan in Tennessee which I have no doubt she also misrepresented.
So why do the current bills start the public plan no sooner than 2013 and phase in eligibility? As Eza Klein noted, the driving force is the need to keep the CBO rating at or below about $1 trillion over ten years, and the current House bill hits that goal pretty close.
Here are the tradeoffs: People who leave their current insurance (e.g., at work) and instead choose an insurance plan on the exchange are entitled to federal subsidies to help pay the premiums. If you stay with your employer, there are not additional subsidies beyond the current exclusion of health benefits from taxes. That means if 130 million Americans move from non-insured or insured at work to plans on the exchange, including the public plan, the cost of the subsidies could be huge, if a substantial number of those people were low-to-moderate income.
So to limit the initial 10-year hit on the budget, the House (and Senate) bills deliberately include several features to keep the initial budget impact to the arbitrary $1 trillion over ten years. I see several such features:
1. Schedule the exchange (and the public plan option) for 2013. It’s conceivable this could be open sooner, but that would just increase the initial 10-year budget impact.
2. In the first year, limit eligibility for the exchange (and public plan) only to those who are currently uninsured or to employees of small businesses (10 or fewer employees)
3. In the second year, raise eligibility slightly to small businesses with 20 or fewer employees
4. In subsequent years, give the Secretary of HHS discretion to expand eligibility to larger businesses, as the exchange (and public plan) gain experience/ability to expand.
There are other details, such as use of Medicare providers (unless they opt out) and Medicare payment rates (as reformed by 2013) for the first 3 years that could make the public plan attractive. But the basic idea is to limit eligibility early on to give the institutions a chance to develop, but probably more important, to keep the first 10-year cost impact below the magical $1 trillion level.
Of course, in a rational world, with responsible leaders, we’d realize that "it’s the economy, stupid, not the federal budget" that matters. The way to save money on health care across the economy would be to accelerate the transition from the financially unsustainable system we have to the one we need to get to.
You’d introduce the cost-saving reforms and the transitions as quickly as possible, allowing for usual start-up problems and surprises — things we probably can’t avoid. Over time, an accelerated schedule would probably save us more money than we’d have saved by delaying in the initial 10-year budget that CBO looks at.
But if we want Congress to accelerate this schedule and open the gates, we must also ask them to increase the $1 trillion budget impact ceiling they’ve imposed on themselves. Watching cable news shows focus almost exclusively on how awful it will be to have a very progressive proposal to raise even the $1 trillion for the slower schedule, we should have no illusions about how easy getting even that amount will be.
More:
slinkerwink, We need you to fight for the public option!
White House, redefining bipartisanship
Labor official on Fox, why health reform needs to succeed (video)
NYT, Massachusetts finds is can’t subsidize legal residents
McJoan/dKos, new Progressive Caucus support for public plan
Kaiser Health News, explains in more detail why the exchange/public plans were deliberately limited, and everyone knew it.
Robert Reich, Tax the Wealthy, Make Everyone Healthy





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Isn’t our Iraq Occupation costing over $100 Billion per year, by even conservative estimates?
So over 10 years, the Iraq Occupation would (will?) cost as much or more than this watered down reform. I don’t seem to ever see it explained this way. Plus, of course factoring all the ancillary savings of this tepid healthcare reform, this healthcare proposal will be saving America as a whole incredible amounts of money.
They really got nuthin’ so they have to lie.
Of COURSE it’s about the taxes. I have no business paying for YOUR health care. You have no business paying for mine. It’s something you either buy yourself or get as a feature of employment because you are WORKING. People not working should NOT be entitled to get my money. That’s highway robbery. Iraq is defense. We should be committing trillions for defense but not one red penny for welfare or someone else’s social programs. It is absolutely absurd that I should pay health care for someone’s doctor. So you’re darn right it’s about the taxes. MY taxes to pay for your health care. NO GO here.
well, one explanation is that the Democratic Party wants to continue spending hundreds of billions continuing Bush’s failed, missionless, criminal wars.
and then when they cavil about the costs of their faux reform plan, it is because they don’t want real reform of any kind.
Tut tut and all that…sick people should just die off and leave more resources for the rich. It’s such a waste to pander to the sick and poor..harumph!
What you aren’t calculating in your ‘it’s my money’ notion is the effect that a population prey to disease and general ill health has directly on YOU — flu epidemics, for example, or the spread of disease by social contact. But then that’s what got Bush elected: his appeal to selfishness and greed (it’s ‘your money’). Nonetheless, the fact that you are calling for trillions for defense leads me to suspect you are one of those government welfare people who live in places where almost all $$ in the economy results from military spending.
Tax the rich
Heal the poor
(and everyone in between)
You are already paying for some people’s health care — you pay a medicare tax. You are already paying for other people’s health care in the insurance premiums you pay. If you don’t have insurance, then you are asking me to pay for your health care in higher premiums and higher taxes to cover your emergency room visits.
It is in your interest to have everyone around you healthy. It improves the chances that you will not come down with incurable drug-resistant tuberculosis, or MRSA. It improves the chances that your children will not contract whooping cough or scarlet fever. Public health care is as important as clean water and clean air. It is the ultimate in national defense.
Wait – Fox has a news channel? All I’ve seen is that ridiculous channel with O’Reilly and Beck.
At the hearing, Reps are making opening statements. Mr. Price is reminding us that the bill will be a catastrophe because it’s just like Medicare and Medicare made everyone over 65 an indentured servant under a one size fits all program.
You’d never know that those eligible for Medicare can get private insurance alternative, subsidized by the government.
The prior speaker was a Democrat saying, “here’s our plan and let’s see you put something better on the table.”
Before that, a Republican as claiming the public plan will force 120 million people to lose insurance coverage. He didn’t explain that there was an earlier report that said if given the choice between a public plan like Medicare and what they have now, about that many would switch to the public plan — not lose coverage; switch. Under the current proposal, CBO estimates that perhaps only 10 million or so would be under the public plan for the first decade, because of the delays and restrictions on switching.
Facts don’t matter.
The hearing is in temporary recess, while they go find people.
The nation needs to defend itself from its enemies. But the fact is, it IS MY money. I earned it. If you take it from me, whether you be a government IRS agent or a common thief, you are a robber and should be treated as same. But for me to be responsible for YOUR health care is barbaric. I don’t have to feed you either.
Interesting story from Greg Sargent. — the Obama campaign OFA is organizing mostly in the states with centrist Senators. Smart.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov……ng-states/
My doctor warned me about Medicaid and Medicaid. He won’t take Medicaid patients because he can’t get paid by the government in a timely basis. You will put the medical profession in bankruptcy with this legislation. Anyone I have talked to who depends on Medicaire or Medicaid doesn’t like the rules and regulations surrounding it. I myself have to work long past my retirement to be sure my health care will be there. But God Forbid, I take it from the government.
Sure – and we should all pay for our own personal interstate highways, airports, FDA, and USDA.
I’m glad I’m living to see this discredited political theory soundly rejected by the majority of Americans – especially those under 40. I’m delighted I’ll live to see this lethal delusion die out of the body politic – but I’ll never forget the faces of the patients and family this evil doctrine consigned to death.
Going over the house bill, it’s enough to make you want to chew your own leg off. Really!
One of it’s principal purported goals is to fix what’s “broken”. Unfortunately for us, it never identifies what’s broken. Moreover, it’s basically more money for insurance. It’s exactly the same as what we have with new layers of bureaucracy with absolutely no mandate to fix what’s broken.
The critical definitions are left to a commissioner who heads the newly established agency called Health Choices Commission. It’s like that bill Senator Obama submitted on reactor spills into drinking water supplies back in 2007. It depended on what the NRC decided to do about it. This über insurance commissioner will definitely have the sick and infirm of the country at heart — not. Then you have the Health Benefits Advisory Committee made up of industry players and federals who no doubt are products of the revolving door government. Guess whose interest they would have at heart?
The delayed public option which amounts to a plan devised by the aforementioned interest groups to be included in this government-industry-run “marketplace of insurance”, is not much of a choice at the end of the day. You’re still obligated for co-pays, deductibles, and so on for benefits that look very much what people have now, i.e. to say, what requires reform. Indeed, sponsors of the bill have said that most people at the end of the day would still have a private plan. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of said public option, what?
And a long time coming.
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You make me sick.
What about the time I worked at a company, and the amount out of my paycheck for insurance would have meant not being able to pay the rent and eat? I was WORKING, but I still couldn’t afford insurance.
What about people that work at businesses that don’t offer insurance? They’re WORKING, but they can’t get insurance.
You have it so easy, and you look at everyone else who doesn’t and say, “Oh, well they haven’t gotten the breaks I have, so they’re LUUUZERZ who should die. Preferably in a slow, painful manner.”
You are a bad person.
thanks for that Scarecrow. it will be fun to watch the pressure build
Nate Silver has been doing some crunching wrt Blue Dogs and found:
Blue Dogs Districts Need Healthcare More Than Most
Hell YeaH!11!!!
And when someone breaks into your home to steal your TV, or your tools, or whatever, you know Property, not ONE DIME of MY taxes should go to protect your MATERIAL THIngS!!1!! So no cops for you, brutha.
Same for if your home/apartment starts on fire. Why should my TAX DOLLARS, that I work damn HARD for, go to protect your pieces of wood and vinyl flooring? As long as the fire isn’t a threat to other people or their PROPERTY, then burn, baby, burn. No dalmations on a big red truck for you, my man!!1! (and they better NOT be using my hard-earned TAX DOLLarS to feed those mangy mutts anyway)
So now…when are we gonna spend some BIG tax dollars on taking over Iran, boyz?!?1? It’s for defense, dontchaknow…
Glad to hear you have your own police force, fire department, waste sanitation service and air traffic control, DLoerke.
I bet you consider yourself a really good Christian too?
Because Jesus sure was all about greed and selfishness and not wanting to help one’s neighbors – or do good for the poor and sick and suffering.
That’s so true. And because we’re not paying for preventive care, like for diabetics, we are already paying many millions in treatment that could have been avoided: dialysis, amputations, and so on.
GOP=Got Ours, Piss-off
Various reforms kick in over time. Eventually, even plans “outside” the exchange must meet the new standards for what must be covered by basic plans, how large deductible/co-pays can be, and caps on how much of your total income you’d have to pay out of pocket. so the bill does only so much in 2010, more in 2011 and more by 2012-13, etc. Judging this solely on what happens the first year gives a different picture.
If you were caught in a bear trap would you chew your leg off or summon a ‘tax paid for’ park ranger for help?
From the headline my first reaction was it was just a scare tactic but your point about the $100,000 per year makes sense.
Now, how do we go about getting the government to stop the wars and start accruing that savings?
Yes, that is a terrific piece of investigative reporting. He’s a national treasure.
I encourage people to put up diaries in Seminal (formerly Oxdown, same rules) taking on individual Congresscritters. Take his/her stand or statement, and then pull the relevant numbers from the 528 analysis and show how their position affects what percentage of his/her own constituents. it’s a great tool.
Atrios, July 11, 2009:
Sorta prophetic isn’t it?
A new commission and a new agency?
That’s BIG Brother for you.
You don’t know me so you don’t have the right to call me a bad person. I’ve worked very hard all my life to see a bunch of entitlement minded “I gotta have it” without working people–welfare queens often in drag–take my retirement and right to my own property. No way. It will be resisted. Doctors won’t practice. What will you do then…draft doctors?
Read the 1018 pages of the House Bill. It will give you a migraine that leaves you needing a doctor. I think it creates more bureaucrats than health care professionals.
Your cousin/wife doesn’t count, so not much of a sample you got there, champ. Oh, and placing an order at a fast food restaurant doesn’t count as talking to someone.
It’s an extension of big pharma and big insurance, actually.
Cops are a version of local government. Our constitutional system keeps government as close as possible to the people to keep them as CONTROLLED as possible BY the people.
don’t forget to subtract out all the bureaucrats at your insurance company.
My mother had to be on Medicaid before she passed and she hated it.
don’t forget the “Cadillac-driving” part of the welfare queen. You guys a slipping with the talking points…need to put some oil in the head-gears.
But you see how we face the same system after everything kicks in. And it’s left to a Commissioner to decide the matters you itemized.
My insurance company has to make a profit so at least they keep the bureaucrats down. The government doesn’t care whether you live or die so they have no incentive to work. I work with government agencies as part of my job. The lifers are there to serve their time…
In your scheme of things, why didn’t YOU take care of your mother, why did you let her rely on the curse-ed Federal government?
(may she rest in peace)
your insurance company doesn’t care much if you live or die, hate to break it to you. They do a cost benefit on you, and when you’re better off dead, they cut ya loose.
Soooo, the bill just came out and you’ve read all 1018 pages, right? Tell me another tale, my classical libertarian friend.
I’ve scanned the bill, not read it in detail…it’s going to take days to read it, not to mention try to get my Senators to produce a conflicting bill that will eventually result in a stalemate. But I AM reading it, more than the other side’s critters do.
I was having a hard time making ends meet and she was across the country, not that its your business. I was just making clear it wasn’t just anyone I had “talked to”…But I have EARNED my way through things, and don’t want any more people TAKING what they HAVEN’T worked for.
Hearing reconvenes: Dem Mr. Kildee: Talks about his mom, who benefited from Medicare. Universal care is overdue.
Republican Mr. Petri: Goals
Wants no pre-existing condition
patients/doctors in control
reduce costs of care
Thank goodness, my employer still values us enough that they pay for a pretty good policy to be sure the doctors still DO give a darn. Not perfect by any means, but good enough. Let others find the same. Not TAKE it by taxing ME or my company or raising my cost of living. On energy and health or anything else. Why don’t all FDLers form their own consortium? Instead of trying to loot it from the rest of us?
Is it not a fairly radical change to the entire system, certainly more than anything in many decades? Do they/Obama get any credit for this accomplishment? (provided it passes mostly intact)
So the key will be in keeping people engaged on this issue and keep demanding single-payer. Organizing for America launched a campaign for this just today, and with the New Media gaining more influence each year, I’m hopeful we can get there. It’ll be much easier now to move to single payer from this, than from where we’ve been.
People have to got stay motivated though…no more 1990s Liberal complacency, otherwise then I’d agree with you…this is a bit of a waste.
among others
Petri — doesn’t think bill reduces costs. Undermines personal responsibility for care. Need to deal with fraud/waste in Medicare.
Bill puts decision in hands of government and imposes taxes. Thank you frank luntz.
thank goodness medicare was there to take up the slack
WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT
She couldn’t afford to pay herself.
and they were fully insured.
oooh Congressman Payne just mentioned the regional monopolies Ins enjoys
So let’s see….what are YOUR hard-earned tax dollars good for? Which Socialistic policies do you want to keep?
Military, and in basically unlimited amounts it seems.
Police.
Fire.
All the Macho and very Male things.
On the other hand…Healthcare. Can I assume you think too much goes to public schools…probably WAY too much, right? More “touch-feely” stuff you don’t want tax dollars used for.
If correct, stop exposing your penis-envy for all to see. It’s embarrassing to see on these Internets, which were funded originally (and still in many ways) with taxpayer money.
Two thoughts: 1) If this bill makes you feel good — great…placebo effect. If it doesn’t…SOL.
2) A great health plan: daily exercise, organic vegetarian diet.
Mr. McKeon shows he can read Lunzt talking points. Taxes, taxes, taxes.
She worked all her life too…of all folks she had the right to claim…
indeed.
sorry for your loss.
Doesn’t answer the fact that Government has NO incentive whatsover…you want the medical coverage you get at the DMV? You’re headed for it if this passes, which it must not.
definitely running the Luntz scale
“bureaucrats in washington”
“rationing”
“weeks, months of waiting for treatment”
Mckeon says we should create small business health plans they don’t have now. Uh, nothing prevents the private insurers from doing this now. So to do this, you’d need govt intervention, eg. a public plan? Subsidies/taxes? Gosh.
The dirty little secret about Medicaid is how many middle class elderly shed assets through giving them away to family in order to qualify for Medicaid to pay for long-term care. And how many of them justify this dodge by arguing that they EARNED it.
But these folks get lumped into aid for the poor, who always are portrayed as not EARNING it. It doesn’t matter if they worked a minimum wage job all their life. They still didn’t EARN it.
Well by golly, the head of a medical system who gets $4 million in compensation a year cannot work more than 168 hours a week. But he EARNS it.
Thanks, at least for that. It’s been a year now, but it still hurts. But this bill frightens me.
I wouldn’t be so cocksure about that were I you.
Ms. Woolsey — sp is best, but they’ll support robust public plan.
Also see Joan at kos, with new statement from the Progressive Caucus
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..lic-Option
Heck, we are middle class and she wanted to pass something down to her family which she couldn’t do. SO don’t tell me that the folks I see at the welfare office on the way to my work are working as hard as she did or I do because I know and down deep you know they aren’t. They are leeches off taxpayers.
Given the interviews of the Democrats following the Energy bill, I KNOW more Republicans read the Energy bill than Dems. I suspect the same will be true of this legislative monstrosity. Only the lobbyists know the meaning of each provision. I just hope someone on the Conservative side has a good lawyer who can cross reference all the cross-wise changes to the tax code will do a straight up analysis before we get to conference where we know they are going to cram the bill up to 2000 pages or worse.
Mr. Platts (Repub) — Will he read something other than Luntz talking points? NOOOO.
Despite the fact the Bill has delayed and restricted access to the public plan, he still uses the original estimates of 120 million losing emmployer-provided plans.
The only question to be answered by these opening statements is whether there is a single Republican willing to make an honest statement. So far, their 0 for 5, or is it 6?
from McJoan’s link:
Alan Grayson – can someone explain this one to me ?
Doesn’t it bother anyone that we still don’t know what the public option will contain? We are told the 2013 phase in for exchanges and the public plan is necessitated by the priority of keeping costs below $1 trillion. But if costs were the primary concern, we would be instituting single payer which actually saves money. So I can’t help seeing that this is a smokescreen and that the object remains to funnel as much money as possible to private insurers while starving the public plan because it is too expensive.
Ew…thought I smelled a deathly rotting stench.
That’s just offensive in so many ways.
Didi mau, troll.
Hinojosa urges that undocumented workers get coverage. Good for him.
wrt to Rep. Platts, 19.4 % of his constituents don’t have coverage. That’s one in five.
Hinjosa wants to cover undocumented workers for basic preventive care.
Republican mantra seems to be “unintended consequences” or more succinctly FUD
Those were DoD hammers and toilet seats during a Republican administration.
Mr. McClintock thinks we’re rushing this and that we should avoid hasty mistakes because people are dying. Cites Hoover as proof. Confuses WaPo with a reputable newspaper.
Says he doesn’t like the post office.
People, please! Before you hit “Submit,” just remind yourself:
Every time a troll gets fed, an angel drowns a kitten.
Mrs. McCarthy, Dem, former nurse — been working on this a long time; “now is the time”
Patients are already waiting hours to see a doctor or emergency room.
Why are we 8 months into this new Presidency and we are still talking about Bush? Adjust your comments to the current situation and President please.
Ah yes. Back to our regularly scheduled programming….
Obama=Bush!!11!1!
Obama the Corporatist Stooge!
No trolling around here…Hey, now maybe an angel will get a front-page posting!
I don’t like the Post Office either…I use UPS or Fedex when I really want to guarantee it gets there
Yep, Crazy Pete, we’re coming for your buddies.
Americans don’t won’t health insurance; they want healthcare.
Scarrryyyyyyyy
Crazy Pete Hoekstra: trying to make an analogy to public plan, Pete misrepresents the history of public loans for education, conveniently leaves out the part where the private loan companies were subsidized, then engaged in fraud, scams, bribes to get preferred actual to college financial aid programs and were investigate/prosecuted in many states, including NY. Obama wants to end that, so Pete is shedding the lenders’ tears.
2001 – No Child Left Behind — another Republican program designed to fail
Does Aetna know Joe and Mary and Bill
Pete claims local school board and states don’t control education any more.
Thinks bureaucrats in D.C. will decide what care your little Mary gets. More Luntz talking points.
Republicans now 0 for 8?
Yes, they have top people makin sure Joe, and Mary and Bill get their coverage rescinded.
Sorry ass troll…end of an era, the nut-wing spectrum.
looks like Representative Terney has a message for his Republican colleagues – but I don’t think he can say it on Shuster’s show :D
My problem isn’t with the fact that we all have to pay for health care, but that the right people do not receive it. My Uncle has MS, but is too poor to pay for health insurance. When applied for TennCare (the statewide health care for Tennessee) he was rejected. The office told him he did not qualify. They said that if he had been an alcoholic, a drug addict, or an illegal alien that he would have had a better shot at getting what he needed. That just doesn’t seem right to me. The guy who is an actual citizen, does the right things all of his life, and that really needs it can’t get it, but the one’s who are not doing it the right way do? That messed up.
Crazy Pete Hoekstra What a piece of shit… Save the fucking fat cats and fuck the rest of us… I sure hope next cycle these exact words he spoke are used day after day to get his sorry ass out of office and we get someone who actually cares about the regular people in his district… Repukes are at it again protecting their fat donors and screwing the middle class in their districts and nation!!
As someone who has worked up literally from sweeping floors to fairly successful career, I always found it odd that the people who tooted their own horn the most about how “hard” they “worked,” were the most lazy and negative people around. And they were most likely to listen to Lush Limpbaugh also.
Strange how that works.
Castle wants to end entitlement programs. OK, Congress no longer gets healthcare nor does it get healthcare at VA and military hospitals. How about them entitlements, Congressman?
Drill down on the uninsured; good choice of words there, Congressman
Mr. Castle can’t understand how we can possible think of raising taxes to pay for health more care coverage. No new taxes.
Uninsured not a big problem, because lots of them are aliens who don’t matter.
All the more reason for a Canada-style, single-payer system.
Castle wants to say he support good thing, but not if they’re in this bill, because “one size fits all,” even though this is the last thing from one size fits all.
0 for 10
Is there one honest Republican?
Dennis is up!! Someone who care about all citizens!!
Denis the K: If don’t see this is a right, you’ll wind up 47th on the list.
For profit system => uninsured/underinsured.
this just in via Big Orange:
sounds like a bargaining chip in the mark up process
DKos
Great statement from Kucinich:
“Everyone fighting over who pays, but the insurance companies are winning.”
There’s likely also to be a amendment to allow states to opt out and form a single payer state/regional system, using same level of federal financing support.
Kucinch = Best statement of the day.
Well, at least we can contact our Congressman when something goes awry.
If the problem is an insurance company, you are just out of luck.
Which trenches has Cassedy actually worked in?
Mr. Cassidy says he cares, but this bill won’t work because it doesn’t inovate — stuck in Medicare/Medicaid paradigm.
Health car broken because it’s payer-centric, not patient-centry. Replaces private bureaucracy with govt bureaucracy.
Not one Republican has acknowledge the limits on the public plan, the protections for the private insurers and screening off the employer-based system. They’re all talking about some other bill that wasn’t even allowed on the table, and they can’t even represent that correctly.
0 for 11.
Wu channels Obama
I’d just educate many more Doctors so market forces can take care of the problem. There’s no problem in getting Doctors to practice in other nations that have single payer of mixed universal care systems. And Doctors do just fine economically in those countries. They also get to treat their patients in ways they think are correct without profit-driven Insurance Company Bureaucrats telling them what kinds of treatments are too expensive.
Also, about YOUR MONEY. It’s money you earned in an economic and political system whose rules of operation, including low tax rates, allowed you to earn that money. If the rules were different, you wouldn’t have earned as much money. Depending on what you do, you might not even be in the same business you are now.
Now, what we’re telling you is that there’s nothing “natural” about the system we’ve lived under under the last 35 years or so. its rules have greatly increased the amount of inequality in American Society, and they work increasingly less well for most American citizens. Since they don’t work for us, and since we’re the majority, ultimately we have the right to change those rules and our economic and political practices so that the playing field can be leveled, and so that the United States can remain a free and democratic society. Now, that may involve higher taxes for folks like you so that you’ll have to pay a higher proportion of your income in return for the services you receive from the US Government. I know you don’t want to do that, and that you think its “robbery.” But I think that your tax situation has been very favorable for a long time now and that previous generations of Americans had much higher marginal income tax rates in their day. Herbert Hoover for example imposed the largest increase in marginal Federal income tax rates in history ending with rates for the wealthiest of 69%. FDR eventually raised those to 94% and then marginal tax rates for the wealthiest hovered at around 91% until Kennedy and Johnson lowered them to a high of 70%. Even Reagan didn’t cut marginal tax rates below 50%.
So, marginal tax rates right now are very low in comparison to where they were when Reagan left office, and much, much lower than they were for earlier generations of Americans. They were patriotic enough to pay whatever taxes they needed to pay for the sake of a well-ordered society. Why aren’t you? In short, quit your bellyaching before working Americans get so angry at folks like you that we return to 90% marginal tax rates for the wealthiest. Then you’ll really have something to complain about.
Health IT has some serious performance and liability issues that don’t occur in other industries. The skill set and responsibility for testing required is more technical than other IT workers.
Oh God, another Canadian-American story.
Most of these seem contrived and thus lies.
How the fuck does Mr Castle think Shrub’s wars are gonna get paid for?
Me likes the idea of selfish greed heads in bear traps.
Mr. Roe cites Lewin study of switching from private to public, but ignores all the limits in the bill.
Where are we?
0 form 12?
Mr. Hunter laments the tax increases during this terrible recession. He neglect to mention he voted against the bill to save millions of jobs and that the tax doesn’t kick in for a couple of years. 0-13?
Jason Rosenbaum has a new post that explains the Republican reform plan. We’ll continue to follow the hearings there.
Jason’ post:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6362
Ehlers is in the pocket of the insurance (agents) lobby
I can’t tell if the people who oppose public-option/single-payer systems realize that they’re making the argument that there’s something uniquely deficient and inept about American’s specifically? That as a society (one typically claimed to be exceptional in all other ways by the same people) we are completely incapable of instituting and administering a useful system to serve the public trust at all. That it’s impossible, or more specifically that it’s impossible now. Because, while one may be able to ignore the existence of dinosaurs, one can hardly ignore the existence of national parks, state parks, interstate highways, armed forces, universalized measurement standards, communications satellites, global positioning systems, etc. etc. etc.
So, the question to people who oppose the creation of these institutions becomes; why aren’t American’s as capable, organized, or efficient as literally everyone else in the first-world?
Expain to me, exactly with precise detail HOW our invasion, 6 year occupation and continued presence in Iraq is part of the defense of our country? I’m curious how your mindset works.
You really spend to much time worrying about others.
You should really focus on yourself and your own needs.
You’d DO that if you were really a true believer in your talking memes.
But here you are, carping about what OTHERS are doing to you.
Just do it to yourself, you’ll feel MUCH better in the long run.
In the past 10 years my DMV has been incredibly user friendly. Short waits compared to the past, great service, knowledgable personnel, and an organized manner the minute you step in the door and go to the first line to learn how best get done what you need to get done.
DMV is a great govt run entity. But thanks for the cliches.
Don’t you have a teabagging to attend?
You already pay!
When a poor person, who has no primary care physician to do preventive care, goes to an ER with a serious problem they can’t pay. But, the hospital sends the bill to the government and they pay.
I think it was a law written by Republicans a few years ago. /s
Resources without cheap labor to spin them into gold? The Rich will benefit from having healthier workers!
One big distinction between government and a common thief is that the government WILL come and get you and put you in jail if you don’t pay your taxes. Common thieves hardly know you exist.
Honestly, if you don’t even recognize the difference between government and criminal, then you should go back to school.
I think he said $100Billion/year. How to end the war?
“Ya gotta yell loud if you want peace & stuff.” — Arlo Guthrie
Call your Representative and Senator and petition them for peace.
The way things are going in Iraq it’s quite possible they will be asking us to leave sooner than as scheduled. If that happens I can’t imagine Obama not agreeing.
Is a day’s work of a CEO worth more than a plumber’s? In a society, an economy such as ours, it seems to many of us that someone working full time, regardless of how menial the job, deserves health care. Just how much do YOU think people have to work to deserve good health?
Remember, there are times when health becomes bad suddenly and severely and costs can be tremendous. Should only millionaires deserve care in those circumstances? Why should a Rich person deserve something that fundamental and yet a poor person should not?
I guess what we’re looking for here is some sign of empathy from you. So far nada.
That’s what the public option does. It’s much larger than what FDL could produce. The public option doesn’t tax you at all, it’s entirely funded by premiums. If your problem is with the expansion of Medicaid, then focus on that. It’s been around a while and Republicans haven’t found enough public support to end it, or Medicare or SCHIP. Apparently most of the public likes them. Majority rules. We win.
Are you claiming we’re worse off for having auto insurance? Hmmm.
Maybe they want to work as much as you, but some aren’t able because of health problems. Help them get care and put ‘em back to work.
That’s true of a lot of legislation or corporate action. When insurers began did they intend to leave 45M people uninsured? So, yes, that is a valid thing, but very hard to pin down. Do we build F-22s and discover we don’t need them? Some people want to. It all comes down to how well the law is written and how good people’s judgment is.
However, if there is a specific allegation of something awful that will happen, then it can at least be analyzed and considered.
I don’t know that the House bill requires you buy a private or public option plan. It just says you need to be insured. Where there *might* be a problem is in how a Medicare subsidy is handled. If it’s done via the exchange when you’re ‘buying’ insurance, then you might not be free to use it some other way. But, I can’t imagine it would work that way since some insurers might not be on the exchange and you’d have to have leeway to handle a subsidy and buy that insurance.
So, in short, I don’t think there would be a problem with that.
I wonder what federal law would say about a mandatory single-payer since that would have the rather forceful effect of eliminating private insurers in that state or region.
Sorry, but I don’t see anything in the bill praiseworthy enough to congratulate anyone, least of all, the president who just doesn’t have what it takes to ride herd on Congress LBJ-style. What I see is an instrument by which yet more public money is funneled to big business and the system remains broken for the rest of us. Read the bill! See for yourself!