We can now expect another round of misleading and phony arguments on health care costs, this time reacting to the Congressional testimony of Doug Elmendorf, head of the Congressional Budget Office, whose budget-centric explanation of the economics of health care continues to be used as an excuse for bad policy decisions.
From Dean Baker’s favorite source of economic misinformation analysis:
Instead of saving the federal government from fiscal catastrophe, the health reform measures being drafted by congressional Democrats would increase rather than reduce public spending on health care, potentially worsening an already bleak budget outlook, the director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said this morning.
Under questioning by members of the Senate Budget Committee, CBO director Douglas Elmendorf said bills crafted by House leaders and the Senate health committee do not propose "the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount."
"On the contrary," Elmendorf said, "the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health-care costs."
Well, no kidding. If you only look at the expansion of eligibility for Medicaid and federal subsidies to get millions of currently uninsured/underinsured fully insured, a third grader can figure out that federal expenditures for health care will go up. But that’s not the relevant issue.
What we need to worry about is whether the economy-wide costs of health care, under the insurance payment structure for health care to providers, goes up or down, given all the features in the Senate and House reform bills. It’s the economy, not the budget alone, that matters, as long as the budget impacts are paid for, as they would be under the House bill.
There’s nothing in WaPo’s report of Elmendorf’s testimony that says the reforms in those other elements won’t "bend the [national] cost curve" and lower national expenditures (per person) for health care. In fact, the WaPo story cites Elmendorf as endorsing cost-reducing measures that are either in the current bill or under consideration.
Yet there isn’t a single reference in the WaPo article, or the misdirected quotes from Senators, that explains the point that the relevant question is the impact on the national economy.
If the country completely dismantled the employer-based, private insurance system and replaced it with a single-payer, government-sponsored system like any of those used in over 20 countries world wide, we could cover everyone and do so at 1/2 to 1/3 lower costs per capita than we pay today.
Of course, the federal budget portion of this would go way up. But who cares? Our nation’s health care costs would go down.
We should not stop with a narrow focus on the budget. The finance "experts" in the Senate, CBO and even the Washington Post editors should know that, but apparently they forgot; you’ll have to do the math yourself. Ask your kids.
Uh, guys, it’s the economy.
Ezra Klein, but I like your list.
Matthew Yglesias, Max Baucus’ revenge (but only if you allow it)
Clarke and Epstein/CQ make the same mistake
And so did Jim Leher, PBS News Hour!
Igor Volsky at Wonk Room sorts it out, and with good links!





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great post scarecrow.
as you point out, it’s not just fed budget numbers that matter — its the states’ budgets, the employers’ budgets and the households’ budget numbers that matter too.
guess this point can’t be made too often. thanks.
nice point from Balkinization blog:
“income and wealth vastly increased at the top of the distribution over the past thirty years — in part because of corporate cost savings that included denial of health coverage to millions of workers.” Along with their tax cuts at the top. We do know where the money is for health care.
The WaPo article is misleading, context-free crap, but the wingers are shrieking and celebrating over it.
Great point it does not matter who pays for healthcare people or the government the cost is still there. The important question is the benefits or what do you get for your money.
Our current system protects Rush Limbaugh completely it does not protect the guy cooking him a dozen Big Macs who has no paid sick days, is to poor to take a day off work, can’t afford the hospital and is coughing drug resistant TB germs onto Rush’s Special Sauce.
Our current system makes no sense.
Just tell the GOPers to lie back and pretend it’s a bunch of new fighter jets.
Any idea how much we would save on reduced sick days and catching diseases like cancer early before they become emergency room problems that you can’t ignore?
True millions in debt under Reagan but not a peep out of the Conservatives because it was for guns.
Right wing hack, Ron Christie, is more concerned with the cost of health care reform, and less concerned with people dying.
Here is the clip. You have got to see this!!!
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2194
Amen to that.
Health Care better than guns!! More Soldiers to fight Your Wars!!……./s
Think they would understand that???
No more than they would understand the importance of a mothers health care during pregnancy.. and infant mortality.
Thanks for this one Scarecrow. People seem to want to believe that more money is needed. The 2.3 trillion a year we now spend is more than double what it actually costs to give every person in the country full medical.
Oh, yeah, forgot to mention just how disgusted I am with the parade of morons with a public voice that can not, will not acknowledge that health insurance is NOT health care.
that’s what I’ve been saying for years, those tax gifts they’ve been getting were our assets not theirs, getting those assets back is not “taxing the wealthy” it’s redirecting very bad investments, those tax gifts were marketed as some kind of stimulous that would give a positive return, the reverse happened and it’s time to claim that dept
Elmendorf reminds me of the old saying: Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
I would like the CBO to cost out the current plan in terms of the whole economy. I am a little mystified though how he can cost things out at all considering that the public option remains largely undefined.
But I would really like a CBO cost analysis of single payer too.
And if the vast majority of greedy business owners actually cared enough about their employees to pay them a living wage, paying the premiums on such a system would save everybody money. What this guy may be trying to say is that only a single payer system will actually save everybody money. But there is an unsaid, and unwritten, and un-broadcast truth that far too many workers in this country are so grossly underpaid that they can’t afford any insurance plan. And that is just the way the Republicans want it, and that is exactly what many Democrats won’t say. Horrors.
We need true campaign finance reform so they will all shut up now and maybe we would get a few laws that work that we all need.
That’s why I have no hesitance to say ’soak the rich’ or ’soak the health care/insurance industry’ to pay for the reform.
estimates:
GDP = 100% = $ 12Trillion
healthcare = 17% = $ 2.040T
overpay min = 5% = $ 0.600T
overpay max = 8% = $ 0.960T
If cost = $100B/yr and save $600B/yr, winner.
If cost = $100B/yr and save $960B/yr, great!
Has anyone seen any 10-year projections on the cost of the wars the government refuses to quit? How about a 10-year projection for the cost of keeping military bases all over the world? Why not a 10-year projection of kickbacks from the insurance/pharma financial complex to selected senators and congresscritters? How soon can the CBO get these out to the general public while they’re having at health care costs? Please advise. Thanks.
CBO website: “The term of office [for the head of the CBO] is four years, with no limit on the number of terms a Director may serve. Either House of Congress, however, may remove the Director by resolution. At the expiration of a term of office, the person serving as Director may continue in the position until a successor is appointed. The current director—Douglas W. Elmendorf—has been appointed to serve from January 22, 2009, to January 3, 2011, completing the most recent four-year term of office.”
Hunch: Elmendorf will be removed, perhaps Walpin-style. It’s how things are done in Washington, and have been done for years now. There is no place at the table for an “honest broker”.
When something like this happens, there are hypothetically a number of “next steps” (not mutually exclusive):
(a) Point out where the analysis is lacking and ask Elmendorf to redo it with those things addressed.
(b) Thank Elmendorf for his effort and (apparent) sincerity in doing the analysis, and then put some people together to expand/improve etc, and issue a “second opinion” outside of the CBO.
(c) Criticize Elmendorf for coming up with the “wrong answer”, and ignore the CBO report; discredit it and move on with the current legislative proposal.
(d) Give Elmendorf an hour to resign or be fired. Appoint a more “pliable” bureaucrat to replace him.
Barack Obama campaigned on the notion of listening to all points of view, and said he would be inviting examination of issues, proposals, and concepts. So will we see this acted out? I doubt it.
I imagine we all, including Elmendorf, realize that his testimony will be cause for termination and replacement. Too bad, if Elmendorf is conscientious, ethical, and takes his job seriously.
Is it an “open” administration? Or is it just that the door is open for people to leave through if they don’t fall in line.with the administration?
Those experts would include the wider effects of health care reform – not just the direct cost of insuring more Americans – only if they were interested in reform. None of those commentators, so far as I can see, personally need or would profit from reform, so it seems less likely they would support it.
Fighter Jets protect us. This monstrosity will literally kill us. Public Health is like Public Restrooms. Don’t use them if you wish to maintain your health.