In deliberations that relied upon the Yoo/Delahunty 10/23/01 memo that found the President’s powers to fight terror to be almost limitless, former Vice President Cheney argued for the use of US troops to takedown the Yemeni cell in Lackawanna, NY, in 2002. Is this legacy-polishing week for the Bushies, after the TIME article and Cheney’s pushback on Scooter? Perhaps — the NYT mentions Condoleezza Rice as among those who fought to have law enforcement handle the terror cell.
Some of the advisers to President George W. Bush, including Vice President Dick Cheney, argued that a president had the power to use the military on domestic soil to sweep up the terrorism suspects, who came to be known as the Lackawanna Six, and declare them enemy combatants.
Mr. Bush ultimately decided against the proposal to use military force.
A decision to dispatch troops into the streets to make arrests would be nearly unprecedented in American history, as both the Constitution and subsequent laws restrict the military from being used to conduct domestic raids and seize property.
The Fourth Amendment bans “unreasonable” searches and seizures without probable cause. And the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 generally prohibits the military from acting in a law enforcement capacity.
In the discussions, Mr. Cheney and others cited an Oct. 23, 2001, memorandum from the Justice Department that, using a broad interpretation of presidential authority, argued that the domestic use of the military against Al Qaeda would be legal because it served a national security, rather than a law enforcement, purpose.
“The president has ample constitutional and statutory authority to deploy the military against international or foreign terrorists operating within the United States,” the memorandum said.
Good thing the Bush Administration had some constitutionalists among its warmakers, eh? And who might they have been?
Still, at least one high-level meeting was convened to debate the issue, at which several top Bush aides argued firmly against the proposal to use the military, advanced by Mr. Cheney, his legal adviser David S. Addington and some senior Defense Department officials.Among those in opposition were Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser; John B. Bellinger III, the top lawyer at the National Security Council; Robert S. Mueller III, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; and Michael Chertoff, then the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division.
“Frankly, it was a bit of a turf war,” said one former senior administration official. “For a number of people, crossing the line of having intelligence or military activities inside the United States was not worth the risk.”
It’s amazing to watch those turf wars continue to play out in our nation’s newspapers, isn’t it? I guess the Bushies just can’t give up those toast-buttering times with NYT reporters.





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May I just say how pleasant it is to watch Bush and Cheney folks going after each other instead of destroying Constitutional government?
I wonder what they thought they were risking?
It is nice that their internecine squabbles might not result in the immediate glassification of, say, Iran, isn’t it?
Popcorn, lotsa butter please.
Let’s see, here:
Obama questions why a cop felt the need to handcuff an elderly academic who walks with a cane in his own home because the guy mouthed off to the cop, and the press jumps all over him for it.
Bush and Cheney plot the destruction of our basic fucking freedoms, and — crickets.
Yes, you may. Beautiful stuff. (Hi EG and Teddy!)
I’m thinking that things need to work quickly before Cheney drops dead.
No kidding!
Who would know?
Race wars always sell tickets when the Silent Majority is scrambling to buy.
I’d love to know who ELSE Cheney (and Bush) planned on rounding up, along with the brown-skinned people.
ha!
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Hell, who weren’t they planning on rounding up, in 2002? They hadn’t yet mapped out the media control they’d need to shutout the anti-war demonstrations.
Sheesh, what else did they have in mind–FEMA camps….?
I’m starting to think that maybe Dick Cheney had bigger plans for himself. /Thers
Seems like an awful lot of unnecessary trouble. Six people in a neighborhood,wtf? Mueller must have been pissed on a turf level if nothing else.
That they never talked to the military (Myers, etc) about this — ever! — shows me that they were planning Situation Room, stroking Bush’s ego. Except that Cheney was deadly serious. The constitution never meant anything to him. And the problem with Iran/Contra was that they GOT CAUGHT.
Built by Haliburton, yes.
I wonder if the proximity to the Canada border got Cheney excited. You know, like a dry-run for something more, um, brown, hot, dusty and ole’?
He was involved with Maria Ben Chapur, TOO?
Everyone on tv knows that everyone on the internets is crazy. And everything posted on the internets that isn’t porn is the folklore of the tin foil hat brigade. /s
Marcy focuses on the timing, which was propitious to say the least.
Canuckistan.
The only transparent thing anymore (and utterly so) is the lie machine.
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick! As if we needed a reminder that Cheney is one scary son of a gun.
He’s always happy to be a part of a military operation, as long as he’s in charge. Otherwise? It’s Deferment City.
Miss Jane is upstairs with Late Night!
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Nice, another piece to pick apart. Sure looks like a carpetbombing PR campaign against ol’ Deadeye, doesn’t it? Two pieces inside two days is pretty heavy stuff.
Almost exactly 6 months after Inauguration Day, too.
And before August, to boot; nobody releases new product in August, remember?
Would be nice to know more definitively whether this is another fluff job for Bush’s legacy, or an attempt to put some space between Bush and Cheney (with their permission or no), or a straightforward shiv for ol’ Deadeye…
War against Iran was the one problem back then – in the bad years – for which I could see no solution. Gave me the worst kind of insomnia. It was making me physically ill, to have worked all those years in peacemaking, only to see my own country be the aggressor, again.
Finally I had to stop reading and thinking about it, and trust that other people would figure out something clever and brave.
I’ve wondered whether we have the financial/economic crisis to thank for preventing a shooting war on Iran last year.
The so-called “cell” in this story consisted of 6 guys who were religious students and it was a hellova stretch to call them terrorists, let alone to plan on using the military to arrest them. By the way, all of these clowns who are railing about how Obama is tearing the Constitution to shreds? Where were they during the Bush years? Applauding all of Cheney’s legal horseshit, that’s where.
Although they were of Yemeni descent, I’d also would like to point out that they all were US citizens, the majority being born here. So this use of the military domestically was against US citizens, when there was not enough evidence to even procure search warrants. They would have been placed under military detention (”disappeared”) and denied habeas corpus rights ( as Bush-Cheney had declared them “enemy combatants”). Given what we know about other “enemy combatants” they would have been tortured for confessions and information incriminating others. And then that “evidence” used in “military tribunals” without telling the judges how it was obtained.
One more point, “it was a turf war” doesn’t impress me as saying that anyone in those meetings were champions of the Constitution. They may very well have been acceding to the view that Bush could do this, but arguing over whether it was necessary (i.e. the evidence was not, in reality, insufficient), or whether it would be politically viable.
Yeah, I thought invading/bombing Iran was an extremely bad idea!!! I compared it to the invasion of Syracuse by Athens. Still do, of course. Problem is, Iran’s diplomatic offer was rebuffed back in 2003, so they had all that time with a chaotic neighbor next door to emplace folks who could make life difficult for US troops.
It’s like he had a grudge against the Constitution. What did it ever do to him?
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Cheney was a chicken-hawk dictator wannabe, barking orders to invade, kill, destroy civil liberties, but only to those he considered his weaker underlings, including W.
What a weird psychopath. The media still treats him with kid gloves, as if they fear his ‘power’.
The other day, when Liz Cheney endorsed the ‘birther’ stupidity, the Boston Glove reporter simply said, that If she give credit to this ridiculous theory, then how can we believe anything else she ever says?
It’s time to put these lowlife Cheneys in their place — in jail, or failing that, out of the limelight.
Thank God that Bush thought “lackawanna” was synonymous with non-commital.
Lackawanna 7 — or 6 — there’s a question in my mind whether those boys were even guilty of anything.
They went off to Afghanistan to study the Koran and then came back home. THAT was the extent of their terrorism. Today, they would be questioned and released.
Back then when the Nazis were in charge, the boys decided to take a plea deal that would get them out of jail in 7 years. They are probably up for parole about now — 20 years from now each of them will be exonerated and given full rights of citizenship, if none decides to move away from the US and back to their parents’ motherland — note they are all US citizens as I understand it (I’m recalling the story I read years ago in the NYTimes magazine section).
American citizens one and all — off on a kids’ adventure. Their timing couldn’t have been worse.
Perhaps the Feds should have taken over the town and locked it down. Maybe we would have learned the extent of the insanity a lot sooner. As it is, we’re only confirming what many have known for years — but too late to do anything about it.