The Dog is never one to encourage anger or rage in political discourse. There are a couple reasons for this. First anger while an effective short term movitator is not the kind of argument which wins elections. When you have a candidate who is angry and is not putting forth a positive vision, that candidate loses. It is true as well when we are working on policy. Too much anger in our tone allows those we are trying to influence to discount what we are saying as unserious. Can there be any doubt why the Right in the form of Boss Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are trying to hang the “angry black man” label around the president?
The second reason is anger, rage are not controllable. Once you start to stoke them in a political group, for some they get out of control, they grow and grow until they become the reason in and of themselves. At this point they become dangerous to the very fabric of political discourse. This is what we are seeing in the debate about Health Care Reform.
The Right has lied to their constituents. They have told them that reform will mean the government will euthanize their grandparents. They have told them they would be forced off of their current insurance. They have told them they would be inspected in their homes in terms of healthy life style and punished if they did not change. All of these are bald-faced lies, but they have pervaded them anyway. They have also encouraged their followers to act outside the boundaries of the common behavior, to act up against the Democrats who they have been told will do such horrible things to them.
It is this combination of hysterical lies and encouragement to act outside the social rules that makes this moment in our history so dangerous. By telling their adhereants this issue is so important they can break common social rules in regards to it, a very important wall is falling. This wall is the one of common decency which prevents political violence in this country.
If you think the Dog is being hyperbolic, lets look at what makes today different from yesterday. Today the first (and sure not to be the last) Democratic Representative was given a death threat over Health Care Reform. Talking Points Memo is reporting that Rep. Brad Miller (D-NC) received a serious death threat by phone at his Washington office today.
"The call to the D.C. office was, ‘Miller could lose his life over this,’" said Canipe. "Our staffer took it so seriously, he confirmed what the guy was saying. He said, ‘Sir is that a threat?’ and at that time our staffer was getting the phone number off caller ID and turning it over to the Capitol Police."
This is not going to prevent the Representative from talking to his constituents about reform, but he will not be having any public events during the recess. He will now be inviting his constituents to one-on-one conversations about reform.
This is very troubling. Sure there are those who would make threats from time to time to Representatives or Senators, but on this issue when we see on side stoking those fires of rage it becomes a danger to our very democracy. Political violence is one of the things that kill democracies. As it becomes acceptable for those who disagree to kill the ones they disagree with the very fabric of a democracy can unravel. This has been threat to our nation before, and it one the Right seems to be setting us for again. This is why it is never good to allow too much anger into our discourse. There is a point where it spills over and when it does it hard to repair the damage.
If you sow the Dragons teeth, you will reap the Whirlwind. This is a not something we should have any tolerance for. It has never been acceptable for eliminationist on the Right to spout this kind of hate, we must be strong and resolute to call them out for it. There is no place for this kind of thing in any democracy, especially the Untied States of America.
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Aaarghh! What has happened to our country, Dog? Will actual violence break out if a public option is signed into law?
Are there no lengths the lobbyists will not go to? When there is a dead Representative or a serious attempt on one of their lives will they be sorry?
Maybe. Once you start this kind of shit up, it does not just die down. We may very well see a serious attempt on the life of a US Representative.
Scary , darned Scary. What does any liberal or progressive have to lose? Stand up to Them ..slam the NRA slam the WARS ..stand up for true Democracy and against the ignorant fascists. Stop pussyfooting around.You cant talk sense to lunatics.
CEOs GET IN THE ACT
Here’s the full text of the email that Express Scripts employees received:
FROM: George Paz, Chairman & CEO
DATE: Aug. 3, 2009
SUBJECT: Take Action: Your Voice Matters on Healthcare Reform
Congress is considering a significant overhaul to the country’s healthcare system. There seems to be a rush to pass legislation that could fundamentally alter our current system without a full understanding of the costs and consequences of those changes.
We believe there are significant issues to be addressed with our current healthcare system, but we also believe:
* Reforms should build on the successes of the current employer-based system.
* Policies should actually lower healthcare costs.
* And, in this economic environment, we should be particularly concerned about additional costs, public or private.
Healthcare is a vital issue that affects everyone. With so much at stake, our elected officials need to hear from you. We’ve set up a website to make it easy for you to send a letter electronically to your senators and representative asking them to get healthcare reform right.
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Your voice matters to your elected officials.
In 2004, the state of New York sued Express Scripts for fraud, accusing it of pocketing $100 million in drug rebates that should have gone to the state. The company ultimately paid a multi-million dollar fine to settle the charges
Now, George Pax et al certainly sound like the kind of upstanding corporate citizen we want to emulate…sort of like Prince and Blackwater. These people are scary, but we must not respond in fear.
Why isn’t law enforcement present at these events to remove the people who are there to disrupt a public event. We all have the right to “peacefully” assemble. Not run amok over decent people who are trying to ask questions and get information.
Time to get out for the weekend and go climbing.
These appear the tactics of the Republi KLAN party. Out and out lies and calls for thuggish behavior and for death threats.
Independent voting people, if you vote for the Republi KLAN party candidates in 2010 after seeing what the right wing has done then you have blood on your hands of the dead people who could not afford health care. If you vote for these Republi KLAN candidates, you accept that making death threats and lies appears ok.
Read our blog http://blog.democratz.org
Sign these health care petitions
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http://bit.ly/single_payer_ross
Because they never had to be there to prevent potential violence before. Never before in my lifetime (I’m pushing 64) have I ever, EVER seen anything that approaches the vitriol that seems to be regarded as acceptable political discourse today. I lay it firmly at Newt Gingrich’s feet.
i’m thinking the abuse, rhetoric and violence are to prevent reform. and if it is enacted, then nothing will happen. however, i do agree that this is a very dangerous and troubling turn and should be curbed at its outset, like when palin and mccain upfrothed their crowds.
ding! ding! ding!
Not again. This is the same kind of rabid hatred that rose up during the McCain/Palin rallies. This is disgusting on the part of the organizations on the right who are fomenting this rage.
We gotta fight ‘em. This is the moment- now, when thing are tilting. The country is turning from the Right to the Left- and that means the Right will fight tooth and claw to keep it from going over. People are at the most dangerous when they feel they have nothing to lose.
Great post, because it’s the sort of thing we need to hear and think about. My prayers go with all of us- we’ll need it.
Is there anything legal we can do about it, though? Or can we simply try to fight them with the power of words? (we are supposed to be the side of the political spectrum that owns the Internet…)
I hope that this is a wake-up call to the Blue Dogs who are not in the pockets of the healthcare industry. Capitulating on healthcare reform will not keep your seat safer. Only passing healthcare reform that has a strong public option (or is single-payer) will ensure re-election. And the faster it goes into effect, the more likely is your re-election. Got that, Dogs?
“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.” – Admiral Painter, The Hunt For Red October.
We’ve already had one Congressman hanged in effigy, another who needed a police escort to get out of his town hall meeting, and now a third getting death threats.
The President has the bully pulpit. It’s time he used it. He needs to get out there and make it clear – there will be no more foolishness like this, and anyone who attempts to threaten or actually harm a congressman will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Politics ain’t beanbag, but it’s not meant to be a bloodsport.
“…the very fabric of a democracy can unravel.”
um…it’s already dead, just a bullshit facade remains. Yes society could break down and that obviously would be horrible,but some of these congress people are treasonous and laugh at the American people as they loot. I am pretty liberal, but i hate these people. So if there were a revolution and some of these bastards were killed i would not shed a tear. Sadly though there will be no revolution probably just congress voting to send trouble makers to the camps.
This is why I hope the Screamers keep coming and scream louder. As long as people don’t shouting back and/or fighting with them, it’s going to help us immensely. I say encourage them.
Blew Dogs do not want to be associated with these “people.” Notice how what they scream is hardly any different from what the Blew Dogz have been saying? The Screamers could very well be winning this battle FOR US.
Obviously, don’t want violence either, but that would really swing support away from them and to us.
for starters, i feel it’s essential that we have police at the town meetings and that the rules are laid out right at the beginning about what behavior will eject you.
that sounds spot on to me.
Mookie, I’m benching ya with that attitude. Stacey Augmon’s goin in for you.
Look, DeeCee is a rancid cesspool developed over hundreds of years. Got it. But we’ve made tremendous strides in just the last few years and we’re just finding our groove. Onward and upward, babe. Now, we can’t have players around with that defeatist attitude now, can we? You’ve lost before you even get the ball. Snap out of it!
-Coach
Free speech is a limited right.
Fighting words are specifically excluded, by supreme court decision.
At what point are these people exceeding their rights?
This will end badly, in some innocents death. Will the people who incited violence be punished?
Chutzpah exemplified — conservatives would counter that right wingers making death threats to members of Congress are merely exercising their rights of free speech under the First Amendment.
This is yet example of extremist behavior that is the logical outcome of the type of inflammatory rhetoric espoused by the Republican Party lately.
It’s ended badly, REALLY PHREAKIN BADLY, for us before, in our boomer lives.
JFK. MLK. RFK. Kent State for god’s phooking sake! Our own National Guard shot students!!!!
And there were James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner. And a whole lot more who died at the hands of a racist white thuggery . . . that was always manipulated by moneyed interests.
There were the coal miners who were shot down in the 20’s and 30’s.
There were the labor protesters beat up, shot down, and destroyed in our history.
The racism, misogynist and homophobic paintings are a disguise. It’s all about the corporate feudalism.
Always has been about making money, and controlling the money. That’s the 1%.
We just can’t let any deaths stop us . . . we can’t.
We DO need to engage and confront. And know we can lose life.
What’s the phreaking price of freedom? Do I quote CSNY? Find The Cost Of Freedom? Quote Patrick Henry? What? Our shit’s at stake, we fight or we lose and die one way or another . . . we’re all gonna die as Jack Kerouack once penned, do we choose to do so at THEIR hands, or at the hands of the fates?
I disagree with others today and yesterday who say we should be organized and who find fault for FDL for not TEACHING protest engagement bahaviors . . . and faulting Jane Hamsher for asking for our money, and for us to lay our bodies on the line, without TRAINING us . . . gimme a break.
I disagree a LOT with those who find fault with FDL/Hamsher.
What was the plan in ‘67? ‘69? ‘71? We went to protests, we laid our shit on the line, we took what came. We were in the streets. They got Jack, Martin, and Bobby.
And we were still in the streets. And we laid it on the line.
We did it once, we can do it again . . . we risked our asses, and we need to do it again. All of anyone who wants a semblance of REAL freedom and jobs and healthcare and potential to get ahead, it’s time to lay it on the line again.
Just know, it’s not the people you confront that yer fighting, even though they can kill ya, it’s the corporate feudalists yer REALLY up against. I tire of repeating that . . . but I won’t stop.
On we hope, and sometimes, we hafta act, regardless of the consequences or the odds.
Sometimes, ya gotta lay a body out there for what ya believe. And sometimes, the battlefield is not a just war abroad, it’s right here in yer home town, on your block, on your street corner.
They’re on yer street corner. You gonna move them off?
Driftglass Used This One. It Stands Today
I am just sick to death of Obama’s weaseling wimpiness on this. Nazi tactics are being used. Folks are being threatened. And, as Keith Olbermann pointed out tonight, Obama’s out chiding Democrats to stop criticizing the Blue Dogs.
What is wrong with him????
As Chris Hayes noted [also on KO], during the campaign, Obama’s strong suit was at the grass roots, exhorting people to get involved, to bring about change. Now everything is deal-making behind closed doors. And I fear it’s too late to arouse the public. Instead they’ll be captivated by the fear-mongering of the Right.
Frankly, I blame Rahm. Deal-making and screwing Progressives are two of the things he loves.
Public support is not the issue; if it stiffens the spines of Blue Dogs who are not in the pockets of the healthcare industry to stand with the progressive caucus, that would be gaining support. But the people are for a bill with a strong public option and close to a 50-50 split on single-payer.
I’m with you, todays technology puts us light-years ahead of mimeograph machines and phone lists as a basis for sharing information and organizing, but in the end when the fascists/feudalists have their backs against the wall, they always resort to baseball bats and sad to say, it looks as if we’re about to learn that lesson all over again.
You are right, this is the same old fight, and the enemy is counting on our growing tired and giving up.
I could never express enough thanks to Jane and the FDL crew for this place where the truth shines and the soul is fed.
I said it elsewhere and I’ll say it again. The conservative (and, yes, corporate funded) infrastructure is strong and has been in place for some time. We still don’t have parity to counter the propaganda. When the right is on NPR spouting their talking points, you know there’s a serious imbalance of power. It’s going to take another decade for the progressive movement to truly get it together.
something,
so sorry I missed your diary in real time – I too am troubled as to where this may lead, am especially anxious about today’s Denver event – Speaker Pelosi is red meat to these lizard brains.
excellent diary
This reminds me of when Jane produced Natural Born Killers. Lots of copycats from that movie. I blame Jane and the rest of the left for it.
Yupper. It could have happened a bit sooner, but few rich liberals are willing to put their money where their mouths are. (Remember how fast Barbra Streisand backed away from her plan to buy a cable network and turn it into a liberal one when she found she’d have to foot the bill for it?)
Are the teabaggers a movie? No, they’re real people, not entertainers. Or straw men.
Spread the word. Jane and team need $$$
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What?!? That is snark right?