All through the dark years of the Bush Administration, progressives watched in horror as Constitutional protections vanished, nativist rhetoric ratcheted up, hate speech turned into intimidation and violence, and the president of the United States seized for himself powers only demanded by history’s worst dictators. With each new outrage, the small handful of us who’d made ourselves experts on right-wing culture and politics would hear once again from worried readers: Is this it? Have we finally become a fascist state? Are we there yet?
And every time this question got asked, people like Chip Berlet and Dave Neiwert and Fred Clarkson and yours truly would look up from our maps like a parent on a long drive, and smile a wan smile of reassurance. "Wellll…we’re on a bad road, and if we don’t change course, we could end up there soon enough. But there’s also still plenty of time and opportunity to turn back. Watch, but don’t worry. As bad as this looks: no — we are not there yet."
In tracking the mileage on this trip to perdition, many of us relied on the work of historian Robert Paxton, who is probably the world’s pre-eminent scholar on the subject of how countries turn fascist. In a 1998 paper published in The Journal of Modern History, Paxton argued that the best way to recognize emerging fascist movements isn’t by their rhetoric, their politics, or their aesthetics. Rather, he said, mature democracies turn fascist by a recognizable process, a set of five stages that may be the most important family resemblance that links all the whole motley collection of 20th Century fascisms together. According to our reading of Paxton’s stages, we weren’t there yet. There were certain signs — one in particular — we were keeping an eye out for, and we just weren’t seeing it.
And now we are. In fact, if you know what you’re looking for, it’s suddenly everywhere. It’s odd that I haven’t been asked for quite a while; but if you asked me today, I’d tell you that if we’re not there right now, we’ve certainly taken that last turn into the parking lot and are now looking for a space. Either way, our fascist American future now looms very large in the front windshield — and those of us who value American democracy need to understand how we got here, what’s changing now, and what’s at stake in the very near future if these people are allowed to win — or even hold their ground.
What is fascism?
The word has been bandied about by so many people so wrongly for so long that, as Paxton points out, "Everybody is somebody else’s fascist." Given that, I always like to start these conversations by revisiting Paxton’s essential definition of the term:
Fascism is a system of political authority and social order intended to reinforce the unity, energy, and purity of communities in which liberal democracy stands accused of producing division and decline.
Elsewhere he refines this as
a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.
Jonah Goldberg aside, that’s a basic definition most legitimate scholars in the field can agree on, and the one I’ll be referring to here.
From proto-fascism to the tipping point
According to Paxton, fascism unfolds in five stages. The first two are pretty solidly behind us — and the third should be of particular interest to progressives right now.
In the first stage, a rural movement emerges to effect some kind of nationalist renewal (what Roger Griffin calls "palingenesis" — a phoenix-like rebirth from the ashes). They come together to restore a broken social order, always drawing on themes of unity, order, and purity. Reason is rejected in favor of passionate emotion. The way the organizing story is told varies from country to country; but it’s always rooted in the promise of restoring lost national pride by resurrecting the culture’s traditional myths and values, and purging society of the toxic influence of the outsiders and intellectuals who are blamed for their current misery.
Fascism only grows in the disturbed soil of a mature democracy in crisis. Paxton suggests that the Ku Klux Klan, which formed in reaction to post-Civil War Reconstruction, may in fact be the first authentically fascist movement in modern times. Almost every major country in Europe sprouted a proto-fascist movement in the wretched years following WWI (when the Klan enjoyed a major resurgence here as well) — but most of them stalled either at this first stage, or the next one.
As Rick Perlstein documented in his two books on Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon, modern American conservatism was built on these same themes. From "Morning in America" to the Rapture-ready religious right to the white nationalism promoted by the GOP through various gradients of racist groups, it’s easy to trace how American proto-fascism offered redemption from the upheavals of the 1960s by promising to restore the innocence of a traditional, white, Christian, male-dominated America. This vision has been so thoroughly embraced that the entire Republican party now openly defines itself along these lines. At this late stage, it’s blatantly racist, sexist, repressed, exclusionary, and permanently addicted to the politics of fear and rage. Worse: it doesn’t have a moment’s shame about any of it. No apologies, to anyone. These same narrative threads have woven their way through every fascist movement in history.
In the second stage, fascist movements take root, turn into real political parties, and seize their seat at the table of power. Interestingly, in every case Paxton cites, the political base came from the rural, less-educated parts of the country; and almost all of them came to power very specifically by offering themselves as informal goon squads organized to intimidate farmworkers on behalf of the large landowners. The KKK disenfranchised black sharecroppers and set itself up as the enforcement wing of Jim Crow. The Italian Squadristi and the German Brownshirts made their bones breaking up farmers’ strikes. And these days, GOP-sanctioned anti-immigrant groups make life hell for Hispanic agricultural workers in the US. As violence against random Hispanics (citizens and otherwise) increases, the right-wing goon squads are getting basic training that, if the pattern holds, they may eventually use to intimidate the rest of us.
Paxton wrote that succeeding at the second stage "depends on certain relatively precise conditions: the weakness of a liberal state, whose inadequacies condemn the nation to disorder, decline, or humiliation; and political deadlock because the Right, the heir to power but unable to continue to wield it alone, refuses to accept a growing Left as a legitimate governing partner." He further noted that Hitler and Mussolini both took power under these same circumstances: "deadlock of constitutional government (produced in part by the polarization that the fascists abetted); conservative leaders who felt threatened by the loss of their capacity to keep the population under control at a moment of massive popular mobilization; an advancing Left; and conservative leaders who refused to work with that Left and who felt unable to continue to govern against the Left without further reinforcement."
And more ominously: "The most important variables…are the conservative elites’ willingness to work with the fascists (along with a reciprocal flexibility on the part of the fascist leaders) and the depth of the crisis that induces them to cooperate."
That description sounds eerily like the dire straits our Congressional Republicans find themselves in right now. Though the GOP has been humiliated, rejected, and reduced to rump status by a series of epic national catastrophes mostly of its own making, its leadership can’t even imagine governing cooperatively with the newly mobilized and ascendant Democrats. Lacking legitimate routes back to power, their last hope is to invest the hardcore remainder of their base with an undeserved legitimacy, recruit them as shock troops, and overthrow American democracy by force. If they can’t win elections or policy fights, they’re more than willing to take it to the streets, and seize power by bullying Americans into silence and complicity.
When that unholy alliance is made, the third stage — the transition to full-fledged government fascism — begins.
The third stage: being there
All through the Bush years, progressive right-wing watchers refused to call it "fascism" because, though we kept looking, we never saw clear signs of a deliberate, committed institutional partnership forming between America’s conservative elites and its emerging homegrown brownshirt horde. We caught tantalizing signs of brief flirtations — passing political alliances, money passing hands, far-right moonbat talking points flying out of the mouths of "mainstream" conservative leaders. But it was all circumstantial, and fairly transitory. The two sides kept a discreet distance from each other, at least in public. What went on behind closed doors, we could only guess. They certainly didn’t act like a married couple.
Now, the guessing game is over. We know beyond doubt that the Teabag movement was created out of whole cloth by astroturf groups like Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks and Tim Phillips’ Americans for Prosperity, with massive media help from FOX News. We see the Birther fracas — the kind of urban myth-making that should have never made it out of the pages of the National Enquirer — being openly ratified by Congressional Republicans. We’ve seen Armey’s own professionally-produced field manual that carefully instructs conservative goon squads in the fine art of disrupting the democratic governing process — and the film of public officials being terrorized and threatened to the point where some of them required armed escorts to leave the building. We’ve seen Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."
This is the sign we were waiting for — the one that tells us that yes, kids: we are there now. America’s conservative elites have openly thrown in with the country’s legions of discontented far right thugs. They have explicitly deputized them and empowered them to act as their enforcement arm on America’s streets, sanctioning the physical harassment and intimidation of workers, liberals, and public officials who won’t do their political or economic bidding.
This is the catalyzing moment at which honest-to-Hitler fascism begins. It’s also our very last chance to stop it.
The fail-safe point
According to Paxton, the forging of this third-stage alliance is the make-or-break moment — and the worst part of it is that by the time you’ve arrived at that point, it’s probably too late to stop it. From here, it escalates, as minor thuggery turns into beatings, killings, and systematic tagging of certain groups for elimination, all directed by people at the very top of the power structure. After Labor Day, when Democratic senators and representatives go back to Washington, the mobs now being created to harass them will remain to run the same tactics — escalated and perfected with each new use — against anyone in town whose color, religion, or politics they don’t like. In some places, they’re already making notes and taking names.
Where’s the danger line? Paxton offers three quick questions that point us straight at it:
1. Are [neo- or protofascisms] becoming rooted as parties that represent major interests and feelings and wield major influence on the political scene?
2. Is the economic or constitutional system in a state of blockage apparently insoluble by existing authorities?
3. Is a rapid political mobilization threatening to escape the control of traditional elites, to the point where they would be tempted to look for tough helpers in order to stay in charge?
By my reckoning, we’re three for three. That’s too close. Way too close.
The Road Ahead
History tells us that once this alliance catalyzes and makes a successful bid for power, there’s no way off this ride. As Dave Neiwert wrote in his recent book, The Eliminationists, "if we can only identify fascism in its mature form—the goose-stepping brownshirts, the full-fledged use of violence and intimidation tactics, the mass rallies—then it will be far too late to stop it." Paxton (who presciently warned that "An authentic popular fascism in the United States would be pious and anti-Black") agrees that if a corporate/brownshirt alliance gets a toehold — as ours is now scrambling to do — it can very quickly rise to power and destroy the last vestiges of democratic government. Once they start racking up wins, the country will be doomed to take the whole ugly trip through the last two stages, with no turnoffs or pit stops between now and the end.
What awaits us? In stage four, as the duo assumes full control of the country, power struggles emerge between the brownshirt-bred party faithful and the institutions of the conservative elites — church, military, professions, and business. The character of the regime is determined by who gets the upper hand. If the party members (who gained power through street thuggery) win, an authoritarian police state may well follow. If the conservatives can get them back under control, a more traditional theocracy, corporatocracy, or military regime can re-emerge over time. But in neither case will the results resemble the democracy that this alliance overthrew.
Paxton characterizes stage five as "radicalization or entropy." Radicalization is likely if the new regime scores a big military victory, which consolidates its power and whets its appetite for expansion and large-scale social engineering. (See: Germany) In the absence of a radicalizing event, entropy may set in, as the state gets lost in its own purposes and degenerates into incoherence. (See: Italy)
It’s so easy right now to look at the melee on the right and discount it as pure political theater of the most absurdly ridiculous kind. It’s a freaking puppet show. These people can’t be serious. Sure, they’re angry — but they’re also a minority, out of power and reduced to throwing tantrums. Grown-ups need to worry about them about as much as you’d worry about a furious five-year-old threatening to hold her breath until she turned blue.
Unfortunately, all the noise and bluster actually obscures the danger. These people are as serious as a lynch mob, and have already taken the first steps toward becoming one. And they’re going to walk taller and louder and prouder now that their bumbling efforts at civil disobedience are being committed with the full sanction and support of the country’s most powerful people, who are cynically using them in a last-ditch effort to save their own places of profit and prestige.
We’ve arrived. We are now parked on the exact spot where our best experts tell us full-blown fascism is born. Every day that the conservatives in Congress, the right-wing talking heads, and their noisy minions are allowed to hold up our ability to govern the country is another day we’re slowly creeping across the final line beyond which, history tells us, no country has ever been able to return.
How do we pull back? That’s my next post.
Tip o’ the hat to Chip Berlet and Steven Martin for their research help and encouragement.
[Crossposted at Campaign for America's Future - Blog for our Future]





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That may have been the single most depressing read of the week, and not for my lack of trying. Spot on, and very, very frightening. Thank you; I’ll be waiting for Part II: Deliverance.
Beautiful piece of work, Sara, thank you.
Only quibble I would have is the point of arrival. I think we made the third stage in 2000, when the corporatists (elites) and the Bible-thumpers (closeted nationalists) agreed to work together to put G.W. Bush in office (Karl Rove is the embodiment of this effort). The only thing which changed over the Bush terms was that the nationalists took off their hoods and emerged from the closet.
What we are seeing now is a conflict not only among the Bible-thumpers but the elites. Depending on the kind of corporatist/elite, they are fully aware of the screw-ups wrought by the last eight years and are backpedaling – or are ratcheting up their grip in order to hang on. Ditto the Bible-thumpers, who cleave into a group aware that core values were abandoned and that young people were leaving because of it, or into another group which was hardcore anyhow and the most easily co-opted in 2000/2002/2004, the ones which identify with Christian nationalism.
Can’t wait to see your prescription for pulling back; we are desperately in need of an action plan before these subsets regroup.
Excellent article. I just wish it didn’t resonate so thoroughly as absolutely true.
When Sara posts or comments my world stops so I can listen very carefully.
Thank you.
We ARE there. Welcome home!
http://exiledonline.com/declin…..eep-order/
Well, that was depressing. Thank you, Sara; it was also spot-on and enlightening. Waiting with bated breath for the encore. Is there hope?
I’m waiting for the inevitable violence to break out at one of these town hall meetings. I actually hope there is violence, with no death or serious injury, as it would be a huge wake-up call.
This was taken from the Whitehouse.gov “Facts are stubborn things” SCARY
There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.
Thank you, Sara, for finally using the “F-Word” and explaining that it is a logical, rational conclusion. You are basing your explanation on mainly Robert Paxton, who is absolutely correct. But I would recommend also reading Umberto Eco’s brilliant and frightening “Eternal Fascism,: 14 ways of looking at a Blackshirt”.You can google it at http://www.themodernworld.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html He does not at all contradict Paxton, but adds to understanding this.
We need to accept that this is where we are and it is Serious. And to be able to call a Fascist by name and back it up when people start saying we are exaggerating.
Thank you for this important post. Hope you will continue to write here.
Too bad that our GOP/Media Complex is still in denial over the fact that right-wing terror even exists in this country.
If William Krar was a Noonday, Texas lefty instead of a Noonday, Texas righty, his name would have become a household word back in 2003. But I’ll bet most of you have never even heard of him — and you all pay much more attention to the news than do most folks.
Here’s something a bit more recent: George Sodini, the Pittsburgh misogynist who killed three women and then himself earlier this week, was also a right-wing racist nutjob (as his diary shows), and while his misogyny has been reported to some extent, his right-wing racism has been shoved under the rug by our mainstream media.
Geeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz…
This is so scary that I want to stick my head in the sand. I won’t but I want to.
I just read a snippet of Chris Matthew’s Hardball (my kid’s homework) and in it, it says “people don’t mind being used, they mind being discarded”. So I guess the GOP is stuck with the crazies.
But people are leaving the GOP because they are fed up…how does that factor into what you have outlined above?
I have been trying to tell people that we have been at the gates of fascism for the past four or five years, and that all it was going to take to finish the deal was a leader with the balls to make his move.
I never figured it was going to be the fecklessness of ‘centrist’ Obama that was the last straw.
wow! thank you Sara – am a longtime fan of your work and it is great to see it here . fabulous post
oh and p.s. – takes off hazmat suit
just got back from the anchor baby’s sewer – yup, today’s worry: New Black Panthers showing up !! new Black Panthers are showing up !!
This is a first-class essay. Thank you very much for putting it together. I will be widely circulating the link.
Well, dosido, the GOP that exists today is almost unrecognizable from even 20 years ago. It’s much purer and more homogenous, both ideologically and religiously. Compare with the 1920s fascist groups, which were neither of them particularly large, but were very cohesive. Or, for that matter, with any other successful group which managed to seize power, of whatever political identity. Size is relatively unimportant – ideological coherence and determination are what counts. It’s interesting to read a post by someone who sees what I see. I’m afraid that I disagree with Ms. Robinson about whether it can be fought off – the ‘classic’ fascist groups didn’t have the weight of the bulk of the corporate state and political opposition behind them like these do. Both the Italian and German fascist groups were fairly small-potatos local groups originally; think “grass-roots”. Ours are being built from the top down; “astro-turfed” as it were. I presume that the modern builders assume that they can do a “night of the long knives” on their brownshirts when they have consolidated power, and perhaps they can. Small consoloation to the rest of us, I’m afraid. Of course, if it wasn’t for the world war, most Germans and Italians would have had little to really complain about as long as they watched their language and behaved properly; same as in most states like Mao’s China, Lenin’s USSR and etc. Albanias, North Koreas or Cambodias are unusual, and will almost certainly not apply to the new United States; in fact, I’ll bet that most people will be happier – less discord, more prosperity (within reason), more jobs (work makes us free, you know!). Once the troublemakers are removed and put to productive work, everybody will be much happier.
In my opinion yes.. we are there. And the Dems helped..that’s what is so sad.
And they continue to help.
Hear that Nancy and Harry? Yes, I mean You.
Yep, depressing, but rec’d. Great work.
Krar still scares the crap out of me, PW. The media did one helluva job keeping that story below radar, and to our detriment since it looked like Krar was only part of a much larger conspiracy.
Given the increasing visibility of the white nationalist community and their current level of hostility, I worry that whomever else Krar was rubbing shoulders with are now “activated.”
And how many loners like Sodini does it take before the public realizes they are already taking scalps, just not yet as an organized effort?
aiyeee! both Sara and Orcinus have tried to tell us lone wolves eventually form packs
They call those packs “tea parties.”
Earlier definitions of fascism have been revised and watered-down to this modern definition. The intent was to obfuscate as much as possible the main point. The main point of fascism and the issue that is most harmful to society (other than violence and murder committed by government agents against the citizenry) is the collusion of government and big business.
The traditional elites as defined above are billionaire corporate business owners (Media Included), The Church and members of government. There is no doubt that they collude to serve their interests of gaining more power and more money.
We, the proletariat (the hoi polloi) – most of us – are tricked into fighting each other over the scraps. Racism, in-group out-group, religious intolerance (all religions oppose each other to degrees), work to create division. We are not paying attention to the elites. We fight amongst ourselves.
There are a couple of elements of infrastructure that potential fascists will have at their disposal should they decide to seize control of the country. The first is the existence of well trained and equipped commercial paramilitary entities like Blackwater (now called Xe) and KBR. The second is the network of far-right fundamentalist mega-churches (really large ’spiritual’ corporations.) Nor are the two elements that separate from one another, as the recent news about Eric Prince has illustrated.
Lest anyone forget the KKK’s main recruitment source was straight out of the pews of the segregated Southern Baptist churches. Nor should it escape anyone that the official US military is full of Dominionist officers and has an enlisted corps that is well to the right of the general public.
I’d say that those factors make the assessment even more dire than your post admits.
Well said, hackworth1. It isn’t about left vs. right, it’s about the top of the heap vs. everyone else.
When there is no loud outcry from the American people having to do with the crimes that have been committed in their name and hundreds of thousands of ( Iraqi, Afghani, Pakistani) peoples bones are evidence of the atrocities committed and there is very little in our media about these atrocities.
When torture takes place and laws are changed to supply torturers and those who changed these laws with cover.
I would say we’re there. Not much different than those who did not respond to Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Gays, handicapped being murdered by the Hitler killing machine.
Valid and pertinent points. You are exactly correct.
More thoughtful evidence of fascism. Damn straight.
Many of us, such as teabaggers or Glenn Beck “Independents” and other Republicans applaud the massacre of Arabs and the “Patriot actions” that have taken away our privacy rights. Just as you indicate that the brownshirts applauded the killing of Jews, Poles, Slavs, Gays and others.
In another era, we applauded the slaughter of Native Americans.
There’s also the case of James G. Cummings, the millionaire Nazi whackjob who was assembling the ingredients for a dirty bomb before his much-abused wife Amber shot him to death last winter. The media ignores guys like him, who have the cash to indulge their whims, while it freaks out over an idiot Al-Qaeda wannabee dumb enough to think he could take out the Brooklyn Bridge with a simple blowtorch.
Brutal truth is that we live in a nation built on the slaughter and enslavement of other nations and people. Tough to digest
Excellent work – From my non-American outsider looking in perspective you got there quite some time ago. The question for me is whether America is irretrievably “there”. The answer to that, I suspect, is almost but not quite. To even begin to recover American politics from this pit is going to take everything you’ve got starting now. You also need to realise that your opponents are deadly serious it’s not a game and as far as they’re concerned there’s only one rule.
WIN.
They don’t care how dirty they get, fascists don’t, they revel in getting down and dirty, their opponents are going to have to get even dirtier.
The only thing a fascist understands is fear if you cannot get them to fear you then you’ve lost.-
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What is also scary is that these people have purged from their “movement” any people who might want to mediate between elites and masses. They are committed to pitchforks and torches.
Also they thought they had control of the country and it is not so. Killing the health care bill has given them the opportunity for suddenly potent rage.
If there is some kind of health care bill, even a terrible one, and it passes, would they get more disillusioned or more intensely angry?
Wow, Sara. What a powerful article. We could put the YouTubes of the fanatics at the town halls to Tomorrow Belongs to Me from Cabaret.
Well, I’ve been saying this for at least 5 years now, just not anywhere near as eloquently or convincingly. It’s difficult to see it laid out so clearly, all the same. Thank you so much for this post, Sara.
The reality is that most Americans are more concerned with keeping their pedals to the metal on their way to the mall to buy stuff from China. Piles of bones, blood in the streets and fields of Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan….who has the time to worry.
Granted there are people who really have to worry about paying the bills. But many hiding behind little crosses around their necks as they fight health care for all and could give a rats ass about who has been killed, injured, displaced or tortured in their names
This is the brutal reality and this is why so many folks fear us
This is pretty much what I’ve been afraid of since the early ’90s – the inevitable failure of globalization descending into fascism. Globalization was, depending on your perspective, either supposed to culminate in a post-democratic and homogenized world government by supranational corporations (led by American MBAs) or a benign, harmonious Normal Rockwell consumer paradise of perpetual and ever-increasing plenty (whose stewards would be America masters-of-the-universe). In either case, the state (all states) would have disappeared and humanity would have become one, united either in glorious song or in groaning chains.
This grand and terrifying vision failed utterly. Even as they gained power, the corporations proved able to use that power only to commit economic hari kari – death by overextension, overleverage and greed, and all in a single decade. Fortunately, in many areas of the world there was, at the moment of collapse, still insufficient consolidation of corporate rule for the American-led mega-corps to successfully resist the reassertion of state power. In those places, new, regional corporations still beholden to their respective states are starting to emerge. Governments are slowly and evenly, and for better or worse, being restored to sovereignty, in the traditional hard power sense – something that is clearly happening in China, on the Pacific rim, in Brazil, in much of Western and Eastern Europe, and possibly in India.
Now we, in the US, the home of the dying megacorps and the epicenter focus for their most irresponsible practices, are left to contend with the ruins they’ve left us – one broken American government (not a global one by any stretch of the imagination) wholly owned by morally and financially bankrupt corporations, backed by the naked force of the private military-industrial complex that they own. To stay afloat and to fend off the threat of re-stateization, these dying monsters resort to using increasingly savage means of control – brownshirts, mercenaries, ubiquitous surveillance, bribery, naked kleptocracy and corruption on a vast scale – whatever it takes.
If we cannot take America back from them and quickly, we’ll be left with a post-globalization gangster state enabled by a combination of naked force and Madison Avenue/K Street jingoism (since the only part these corporations which still function are their marketing and lobbying divisions). I think we’re now seeing a foretaste of just what that fascist gangster state will look like.
Thanks, Sara – great post.
The seeds were planted long ago, and now have taken over the garden.
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
-Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State to Richard M. Nixon
Sara, did that link for “taking names” go to the correct article at TalkToAction? I’m confused.
I’m with Mr.Heinlein and betting on a “Nehemiah Scudder”.
Same here, and thanks Sara. I will pass this on, it deserves wide readership.
Great work, Sara. Genuine thanks for this prescient and terrifying analysis.
And thanks to Blub and MFI for their clear vision.
I hope Americans will fight to defeat the fascists’ fourth stage “victory” – yet I fear we surrendered when the Rethugs’ Brooks Brothers pinstripe brownshits stopped the vote count in Florida eight and one-half years ago.
Pearlstein is call the Rupublican’s “political terrorists”. I’d have to agree with him.
Goggle blocked Sibel’s blog today so she cannot update. If she is not allowed to testify, or if Holder demands that her testimony remains secret, you can suspect that you crossed the line. Sibel is due to testify on Saturday in regards to the following. This information is part of the reason that she was gagged by John Ashcroft.
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“How certain Turkish entities had illegally infiltrated and influenced various U.S. government agencies and officials, including but not limited to the Department of State, the Department of Defense and individual members of the United States Congress.
How certain Turkish American cultural and business lobby groups conduct their illegal operations with direct and indirect support from the foreign governments. “
http://123realchange.blogspot……-news.html
“On Tuesday the National Whistleblowers Center (NWC) released a statement inviting the press to the deposition of Ms. Sibel Edmonds. The Ohio Elections Commission then made it clear that the deposition must be closed to the press. However, the proceedings will eventually be available on video. In addition, Ms. Edmonds and her attorneys will be available outside of the NWC for comment before and after the deposition. The NWC is located at 3238 P St. NW, Washington, DC 20007. “
http://www.whistleblowers.org/…..;Itemid=71
Sara, great post.
Are you living abroad?
If so, this is the best expatriot post I’ve ever read in my life from abroad . .
And from here in the USA.
Yer spot on, of course. The corporate feudalism is a threat to the planet.
Thanks for a great read . . . ma’am . . H/T
Easy, the shit’s not over, and we’re headed to increasing corporate feudalism and the facism it propogates.
You got any OTHER stupid and easily answered questions?
Whose side are you on, whose side are you on . . . (Blue Highway, Union Man)
Killin me . . . . just killin me . . . .
It’s not, it’s putz’s like you . . . troller pup. Go back to the money ya get from Koch or the other fucks who fund yer out of work medicare using dumb ass self.
And if yer in MY town, let’s set TO it for some reforms issues.
Mano a mano . . . . issue to issue . . . ‘do ya, punk?’ *G*
So, like, after dancing around it all and not really coming out for a reality, what phookin IS it that ya believe?
Cuz ya said shit up there . . . hell, ya danced so bad that even Dick Clark cut yer footage out . . .
Toad? Heh . . . thanks . . .ribbit. . .
Well, I’ll suggest the hoi polloi are increasingly more intelligent and informed thru out the years.
But I’ll also agree that the methodology you posit is millineum’s old and still in place, successfully.
Lastly, I’ll balefully suggest, we MIGHT be on the cusp of fighting back on the corporate feudalists.
And I’ll also balefully suggest, we might be dying from the corporate feudalists . . .
Only time will tell how it plays out.
And the game’s afoot, and not over.
Yet. *G*
Wish I had proofs to put you in place, but I don’t . . .
I’m with ya Leen . . . . it’s all phooked up . . . but I hold hope . . . barely.
So Mark, good to see ya in the toobs again . . .
Tell me, what do you suggest or WHO do you suggest the facists are we are fighting in the US?
And do you propose that the REST of the world is NOT fighting the same facists?
Let’s name names, Mark . . . and cut the bullshit . . . who do YOU see as the facists the USA is under seige from?
You are going places lady, great piece of work.
I think the only way to resist the growing power of these astro-turf fascists lies in mass peaceful demonstrations, assembling millions, at which speakers proclaim again the principles of American democracy, and stigmatize the use of violence.
I found Sara Robinson’s article thought provoking, but unlike many of those replying do not see the inevitability of a fascistic society. First, note that the US is a collection of 300+ million citizens spread across a federation of 50 states with significant local variations. Germany, Japan, and Italy by comparison have smaller, more homogeneous populations (Germany’s population was around 79 million during the late 30’s).
Barack Obama’s win in 2008 included 70 million Americans that do not subscribe to much of the rhetoric we’ve been seeing of late. I am far from convinced that Sara’s predictions are likely; but do value her opinion. Her argument should be a warning that we, the majority, need to shine a very bright light on the objectives and the methods of a reactionary radicalized minority that has morphed from under the Republican party.
I would never argue to shut-down the radical’s message (by removing their agitators from the air-waves, web, or print-media). That is its self an aspect of fascistic thinking. Instead call them on their tactics and their assumptions at every turn and apply the laws of the land to protect individual rights.
I believe our country and its peoples have strengths which more than offset our weaknesses, so be vigilant, but be optimistic about our future.
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Lizard Brains! emotion its like the Authoritarian Personalty but a whole society gets it. In people in seems a life long affliction in society thankfully not.
This should be taught in every high school!
Has any society ever gone this far and come back? The Senator Joe McCarthy error/era is the only example I can think of.
A better question is how does Fascism die?
sure they have. Most historically fascist regimes eventually reformed around more acceptable norms of civil society. It generally took war, death, misery, economic collapse, and all sorts of other badness to get them there though: Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Argentina, Chile, Brazil. Regime change – whether through revolution (including peaceful revolution) or through invasion and occupation was generally necessary, though. And the old wounds, from their respective fascist periods, never fully healed, in many respects.
Woe be us if we’re just sliding into that mode, though – we’d have a long, hard slough ahead. Fortunately, though, the fascists haven’t yet won here. They’re growing in power and aggressiveness, sure, but we still have a good chance to defeat them before we join the list of fallen (and recovered) states above.
” Its a republic if we can keep it” Ben Franklin
Obama is going to have to do something but will he?
Will the onset of major catastrophes due to Global Warming do for a catalyst back to sanity from the brink of Fascism? Because I truly believe that will be forthcoming within the next four years or so…I can almost hear it now. Tune in tomorrow, same time, same channel for the further adventures of America on the brink.
We were there long before Obama.
Fascist America: Are We There Yet?
Sara,
We are not there yet but Obama and the Obamatrons are making great strides. I feel that the process will be complete after Obama finishes his second term. Then, and only then, we can sit back and marvel of how perfect the world will be… but until then, fight the good fight!!!
“Are we there yet” as we roll over the hundreds of thousands of dead, injured and displaced Iraqi’s
Well, according to our brilliant Naomi Klein and her theory of Disaster Capitalism, all major weather catastrophes will only give the fascists another wedge to further consolidate power. No disaster is too awful to be a blessing to them. For instance Katrina/New Orleans. Global warming is just their cup of tea.
As much as we can take hints from history, remember that history never exactly repeats itself. If this really takes over any more, it can last generations. Think of Spain.
All those good people who worked so hard for Obama and Change, are they going to really grab on and deal with this head on or are they going to be “good Germans”?
Its the glorification of the Lumpen Proletariat. Stupidity Reigns. The goon squads are only the foot soldiers of the Elite. Forget them..go for the Heads.
And lets Make Holder prosecute War Crimes. That will be , possibly, the one act that could indicate if anyone up there is Serious about refuting Fascism or not.
It’s really disturbing to see this administration resorting to
asking citizens to pass information to the white house that are not in agreement with their policies
Thanks for a great conversation. I was out all day yesterday, but have a few responses….
Rayne: Paxton makes it very clear that the brownshirt/elite alliance that’s at the core of full-blown fascism needs to happen under very specific conditions. First, the shift to the third stage happens while the left is ascendant, and the elites feel themselves losing power as a result. That was definitely not the case in the early Bush years — while the elite/rural courtship was certainly underway, the right was triumphal and had a secure hold on power, and had a lot of incentive to keep their potential brownshirts from getting hold of too much real power (and you’ve heard the Evangelicals, in particular, griping about how they were used). Now those same elites are losing their grip, and scared, and willing to do whatever it takes to whip up an angry mob to do their bidding. And that’s what makes this a more dangerous time.
Nanb: There’s a whole lot I could have dragged into this, but you all have lives so I felt a burden to keep it short. Picking out Paxton and following his pattern seemed like the most compact way to make the point.
dosido: This stuff is happening precisely *because* the GOP is disintegrating. The sane people have left, or are leaving. What’s left is a particularly distilled and radicalized remnant of crazy — the true believers who are more desperate and angry with every passing day. They’re the most dangerous ones; and now they have rich and powerful friends to protect them.
Mr. Toad — actually, Paxton insists that the “classic” Italian and German fascists succeeded precisely because they had the full backing of the corporate state, which effectively deputized them to carry out intimidation campaigns on their behalf. That’s the critical alliance that turns proto-fascists into the real deal. And that’s precisely what we’re seeing happen now.
Woody: Yes, the “taking names” link does go to the right place. You just have to scroll down to the end to get to his discussion of “spiritual mapping,” the popular practice by which fundamentalists walk through town looking for signs of demonic activity, and then put it on a map that they then can pray over.
All kind of weirdly sweet — except that these churches usually have a lot of teabaggers in their membership. And if this does escalate into a sustained campaign of local violence, these maps will not doubt turn into target lists of places for the progroms to get started.
Larue, you know I live in Canada now. But I’m not an ex-patriot. Just an expatriate. The difference matters.
jon247: The numbers hardly matter once a small group has decided that anything goes in their pursuit of power, democracy be damned. Hitler never got more than 28% of the vote. A small group that’s willing to do whatever it takes is all it takes.
But you’re right: using their own tactics against them will not work. We need to operate out of our own values, and not degrade ourselves by adopting theirs.
ThingsComeUndone: Yes. They’ve gotten here and turned back. But never one inch farther. If this corporate/goon alliance works, even a little bit, we’re pretty much signed on for the whole ride.
Blub is right: authoritarian regimes are inherently unstable and seldom last. But he’s also right that this is nowhere we want to spend the next few decades of our lives; and it would be the death of America as we knew her.
Ann: The various crises we face all have the potential to tip things either way.
Excellent article, but I disagree with the way you casually equate rural areas with lack of education. I find it ironic that in an age of political correctness it’s considered perfectly acceptable to openly state that people who live in “flyover country” are not only stupid but also clearly the foot soldiers for rapidly approaching fascists. I agree with you about the threat, just disagree with your view about where it’s coming from.
You’re not alone however and this view, sadly, seems common to many on the left, as if it’s beyond debate. And yet we wonder why we don’t do better in so called “red states” while people like Kerry think they can somehow appeal to these voters by putting on camo and going on a hunt, appealing not to rural areas but rather to caricatures of rural people.
I’m not trying to argue that places like Nebraska, where I live, are secretly hot beds of progressive thought, but only trying to point out that we shouldn’t be surprised when “progressivism” doesn’t make progress in areas that we openly refer to as “less educated.”
The truth is that fascism, which appears to be well on its way, will come not from particular state or area, but from within all our areas. Rush Limbaugh’s 15 million listeners may make up a larger percentage of the population here in my red state than in yours, but his followers are everywhere. Sadly, we so called progressives often forget that our followers, like his, are everywhere too. However, since we are not looking for progressives in these areas, we don’t find what we’re not seeking. Rather than assuming fascism starts “over there” with the “others,” the truth is that we have met the enemy and he is us.
Don’t mean to criticize a great piece, only to point out that this supposed truism needs another look.
I’m constantly amazed how easy it is for intelligent people to be duped into believing one lie after another in spite of the obvious. The creative twisting of facts and redefinitions by the author of this article and Paxton are truly a thing of masterful beauty. The article is a A+ example of an Allinsky tactic, directly from “Rules For Radicals.” deflection, deflection, deflection.
References to the KKK, Bush, Right-wingers, Conservatives, fascists, Nazi’s etc all in the same context is an effective means to garner acquiescence without providing details to support this hodge-podge of terms. For instance, and not that I’m defending the KKK, but groups like Planned Parenthood (Sangerites) have been far more subversive and detrimental to the black community than anything the KKK could’ve hoped to achieve. The organizations founder, Margaret Sanger was quoted, “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members”. Sanger, a progressive, continues to receive accolades for her “compassionate work” while the KKK is demonized – when they both should be demonized. But this article conveniently omitted any reference to Planned Parenthood. Instead the author chooses to blame law abiding Americans and talk show hosts for the plight we’re in totally obfuscating the real causes. Amazing.
I recently listened to a tirade of calls of what seems to be an organized movement accusing status quo Americans as being fascist, brownshirts, Nazi’s, a-holes, etc and assume the calls were linked in some way to this article, at least the mindset. And who are these name directed towards? How about John Q. Public, Jane Doe, people attending town hall meetings, people that until recently were content to work, pay their taxes, and attempt to live civil lives doing their thing as Americans. But now that they’ve awakened from their slumber and are stepping out to speak up they’re being called every name in the book to to create red herrings – straw man arguments and deflect from the substance of the debate.
This article attempts to do the same and may be contributing to the movement of fascists calling anyone else with whom they disagree,”fascists”. And, intelligent people are buying the whole thing without thinking. Guess that goes to show that intelligent people are not always that smart.