Writing about fascism for an American audience is always a fraught business. Invariably, a third of the readers will dismiss the topic (and your faithful blogger’s basic sanity) out of hand. Either they’ve got their own definition of fascism and whatever’s going on doesn’t seem to fit it; or else they’re firm believers in a variant of Godwin’s Law, which says (with some justification) that anyone who invokes the F-word is a de facto alarmist of questionable credibility. I get letters, most of which say something to the effect of, "Calm down. You’re overreacting. We’re nowhere near there yet."
Another third will pepper me with missives that are every bit as dismissive — for exactly the opposite reason. To them, anyone who’s been paying the barest amount of attention should realize that America has been a fascist state since (choose one:) 1) 9/11; 2) Reagan; 3) McCarthy; 4) The Civil War; 5) July 4, 1776. For them, my careful analysis and worried warnings are dangerously naive — clear evidence that I’m simply not seeing the full horror of America as it truly is, and always has been, at least since (insert date here).
Given this general crankiness, I probably wouldn’t bother with the subject at all — except for that final third who keep me going. From them, I’ve gotten a blizzard of anecdotes, questions, meditations, ideas, suggestions, manifestos, and love letters (including lots of link love). The piece sparked a lot of conversation all across Left Blogistan about what fascism is and what it ain’t and what we need to be watching for. And that kind of thoughtful discussion is exactly what I hoped for. I wanted people to start paying attention.
In the previous post, I pointed out that the most insidious part of fascism is that by the time it’s finally obvious to absolutely everyone that these people are dangerously out of control, it’s too late to do anything about it. Early warnings are even more valuable here than they are in most domains. And since futurists are — more than anything — in the business of early warnings, it falls to me to step up there and point out that according to at least a few of the more reputable atlases in the glove box, this looks a lot like the last turn into the parking lot of downtown Fascist Hell.
The good news is: we’re not yet parked and locked, let alone committed to entering the building. (Which is good, because the doors appear to be all one way, just like in the Hotel California.) We’ve still got a few minutes left to change our minds, back out of this, and go spend our future somewhere else. But we are now actively in the process of choosing, whether we’re aware of it or not. There are things happening now that are setting us on a course that may prove impossible to change.
How do we turn back? A few basic principles:
First: The teabaggers must not win this one. Back in elementary school, most of us learned that when a bully learns that intimidation and threats work, he’ll will keep doing more of it. In fact, the longer he goes without comeuppance, the bolder and badder he becomes, and the harder it is to make him stop. Every success teaches him something new about how to use terror for maximum effect, and tempts him to push the envelope and see what else he can get away with. Do nothing, and he’ll soon take over the whole playground.
And it happens like this for bullies in groups, too. Living in a fascist regime is just living in a town dominated by the Mob, a street gang, the KKK, or a corrupt sheriff. It only takes a small handful of thugs to terrorize people into giving up their civil rights, abandoning democracy, and doing what they’re told, just so they can keep their jobs, windows, and families intact. The main imperative in life becomes staying off the goons’ radar. All the enforcers need to do is make an horrific example out of one or two troublemakers every now and then — and the resulting fear will keep everybody else quietly in line.
Conservatives have tried to subdue other Americans this way for centuries, so there’s nothing new going on here. And this is the way they’ve always done it: they used race (and yes, the birthers and anti-health care rioters are, at root, all about race) and economic calamity to whip up a posse of terrified, well-armed vigilantes, and then turned them loose on society to "enforce order." Given their colossal investment in organizing and indoctinating the teabaggers, we’d be stupid to believe that this is all going to go away when Congress returns to DC in September. Having had a taste of power and publicity, these newly-empowered mobs are very likely to stick around town and see what else they can do to keep the muck stirred up.
Our choice now is a stark one: knock them back while they’re still new, small, and not yet entrenched; or deal with them later, when they’ve got some real power to fight back with, and the cost to all of us will be so much higher.
Second: Think nationally, fight locally. The conservatives are running this effort as a national campaign — but that’s not where the real fight is. The terror that fuels fascism is always intensely, intimately local in scale. Fascist goon squads always recruit from the neighborhood — they’re built on people you know. Since that’s where they start, that’s where they have to be stopped.
This is why all the best tactics involve community-level action. The high-level fight in Congress and the media is already underway, and the Democratic leadership is fighting it with unusual elan. But anybody who sits this one out because they assume that the folks in DC have it all handled for them shouldn’t be surprised when they start getting "special treatment" from longtime neighbors, or discover that they can’t park their car downtown any more without having it vandalized. That’s just the next baby step up from where we are now; and in some places, it’s already started to happen. Winning this means getting out there and defending our community’s standards and boundaries now, while they’re still there to be defended.
Third: Brush up on our non-violent resistance — but leave the heavy lifting and rough enforcement to the cops. It’s true that the only way to stop a bully is to stand up to them. But there are ways to stand up to them that don’t involve getting down to the eye-for-an-eye level.
Back home, we had a saying: Never mudwrestle a pig. You will lose, and the pig enjoys it. If we meet thuggery with thuggery, we will lose, because they’re just plain better at it. And make no mistake: they will enjoy it. Right now, the right wing is looking — hard — to make the case that they’re the innocent victim, and the left instigated this whole thing. This quote from religious right organizer Gary Bauer is typical of the genre:
My fear, given the stakes and emotions on both sides, is that union thugs, ACORN activists and leftwing anarchists (who ransacked the streets of Minneapolis and St. Paul during last year’s Republican National Convention) will turn violent and innocent people will get hurt. If that happens, the radical Left will bear the responsibility for demonizing free speech.
The Nazis used this kind of victim-blaming to tremendous effect as they built up their party. We must not — must not — give our proto-brownshirts any basis to make the same kind of argument. (Of course, the absence of evidence will only drive them to make up fake victims; but then we get to call them out as whining liars with a big fat persecution complex, which is always a fun way to spend a news cycle or two.)
It’s about the moral high ground, people. Any choices we make must be consistent with our own values, or we betray both ourselves and the country. Standing up for health care reform is important; but before that, the country needs to see us standing up for civil discourse and the right to democratic free speech. Since we’re defending the rule of law, our best tactic is to use that law. You have a right to attend a public meeting and speak your mind in a civil, respectful manner. You do not have a right to be disruptive, or deprive other people of their right to be heard. And most jurisdictions have laws about disturbing the peace and creating a public nuisance — laws, let’s not forget, that the Bush regime didn’t hesitate to stretch until the elastic gave out against people who merely showed up at meetings with the wrong bumper stickers or T-shirts.
Since we’re not Bush goons, we can’t go around arresting people who haven’t yet broken any laws. But when people — from either side — cross that line, it’s time for the cops and prosecutors to make the point for us: bullying people in a public meeting (or anywhere else) is illegal, and will not be tolerated in this county.
Fourth: We need to make absolutely sure that the media get the story right. The teabaggers would run out of power with the flick of a switch if the media would just turn off their cameras. But the cold reality is that this kind of drama is a real ratings-booster. It would be like telling lions to lay off that dead elephant carcass. Left alone, the media (local news in particular) will turn these people into cultural heroes. They couldn’t turn their backs on this if the republic depended on it.
Since we can’t beat ‘em, we’ll have to join ‘em. The best cure for bad speech is always more speech. This means bringing cameras and documenting everything, getting it up on YouTube, and blogging it. It also means coordinating rapid-response letter-writing to the local paper, and keeping down-home reporters well-fed every single day with some new theme that reinforces the idea of concerned non-partisan citizens trying to keep control over their democratic discourse in the face of organized thugs. Since the media is watching, let’s make sure they see it all.
Fifth: Support legislators who don’t show fear. The Democratic Party seems to be playing this just right (so far). The leadership has made it known that these noisy, scary people don’t represent the 73% of Americans who support health care reform. The GOP is running the risk of being marginalized as not only the Party of No, but the Party of Moonbat Crazy.
If you’ve never attended a public meeting in your life, August 2009 is the month you need to start. Your congressperson’s website probably lists a schedule, or at least a number you can call to inquire. But that’s just a first step. Do more. Write. Call. Find out where your local congressional office is, and just drop by when you’re in the neighborhood. Tell the staff how you feel — about health care reform, about the teabaggers, about your legislator’s brave stance in the face of this. If they’re showing stress, encourage them to stand firm. A constituent in the office counts for thousands writing e-mails, so an in-person visit is 15 minutes incredibly well-spent.
One visit or call is good. More is better. Put it in your schedule to contact your representatives at least once a week for the duration, and make sure they’re not buckling under the pressure.
Sixth: Shut down the hate talkers. In most parts of the country, the teabaggers are coming straight out of right-wing talk radio audiences. For hours every day, they’re mainlining raw emotion and toxic misinformation. They’re going put your kids before "death panels!" They’re going to kill your granny! You’re going to have to call the White House to get a bone set! You’ll be a Real American Hero if you get out there and join the "resistance!" Cutting off this endless torrent of lies, fear-mongering, and validation will go a long way toward powering down the whole movement. (Conversely, what happens when these kinds of radio instigators are left to spin it all the way out to the end can be summed up in two words: Radio Rwanda.)
The basic recipe: Record their shows. Take notes of anything they say that is intimidating, threatening, or aimed at inciting violence against a named target. And while you’re at it, note every single advertiser they have.
Then: write a polite letter the CEOs of the sponsoring companies. Throw them some choice quotes from these shows, and ask them if this is the kind of thing they want their product associated with. (Point out that if their own employees said things like this at work, they’d be fired on the spot.) Often, the CEO has no clue that any of this is happening, and will pull the ads as soon as she finds out what’s being done in her name. This has worked extremely well — and quickly — at both the local and national level.
Finally: Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Even if we succeed this time, let’s not kid ourselves that this is over. The conservatives are investing a lot of money and effort to build a mass movement that’s explicitly aimed at destroying a Democratic government — and if we learned anything from the Clinton years, it’s that they’re not going to let up for a second as long as the Democrats are in control.
This is our new reality — and it comes straight out of Hitler’s playbook (check out Chapter 6 of Mein Kampf). Their intention is to keep the outrage junkies high by giving the a never-ending supply of new made-up reasons to act out. When the birth certificate fracas cools, they’re standing by with "death panels." When that one’s run its course, there will be something else — over and over, every few weeks for as long as the Dems rule.
Which means that even if we win this round, we can’t stand down. We’re going to be pushing back against these bullies, over and over, for the next three to seven years.
There are only two outcomes here. Either we get very good at spotting and stopping these attempts at a brownshirt takeover the minute they crop up; or they’re going to get very good at public intimidation, and keep ratcheting it up further toward outright violence and goon rule. That’s how it’s going to be for the rest of this administration. The sooner we resign ourselves to the zero-sum nature of this fight, the sooner we can get on with getting good at it.
Next week: Fascist-proofing America for the long haul
[Crossposted at Campaign for America's Future - Blog for our Future]





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I wanted to let Sara know that my Dad agreed with the last post and said that “This is why you have to call them out”.
Thanks for your ongoing great work on this subject, Sara. I hope you’re read across the country – and I hope people come out and stand together in the work you’ve set forth for us.
Important work – thanks Sara
Sara,
welcome back and thank you !
clearly seen in the comments of a Kos diary highlighting your earlier post – ‘you can have my premise when you pry it from my cold dead hand !’ – lol
appreciate your work – thanks again
Sara,
Thanks for this post. I too wasn’t sure about your definition of fascism; but on the other hand, I’m not sure that’s overwhelmingly important. What is important is that the Right is using thuggery tactics again and is choking off open national debate over many issues. Whether or not they’re on the point of creating fascism or not, we can perhaps all agree that they’re undermining open society and our ability to solve America’s critical problems. I think your prescriptions in this post were right on the money; and that this is a post that needs to be widely circulated and read. Thanks again.
Just read Paxton’s book. Thanks for applying it to current circumstances.
Great post, and great tips. Recd.
I admit I faltered at some of the comments negating your first article on this subject…and am so glad that you are standing your ground and continuing to explain what Fascism actually is and why it is important for Americans to really understand it. And what to do about it before its too late.
No one wants to believe it is possible ,because of being brain washed with Hyper American propaganda from birth… Freedom and The Best Country on Earth..Ever, etc.
It is getting deadly serious now. I hope Obama’s low key style will prevail and overcome the insanity. But I am not at all sure. I feel very let down by his centerist politics. Playing into the hands of the Right wingers.
One sign that really scares me is his refusal and resistance to prosecute War Crimes. As if he needs a clear path to continue out and out Fascist policies of Bush & Co.
Thank you Sara. Keep on .
p.s. Google Umberto Eco Eternal Fascism. Its a short one of his brilliant essays. You know him…Name of the Rose..Focault’s Pendulum. Brilliant. Concise. Do yourself a favor.
Sara, thanks for both reads. I might, at times, fall into that third who thinks we’ve been facistized somewhat since LONG ago so I really smiled at today’s post. It’s really all about HOW empty or full that half a glass is and everyone sees it different for different reasons.
That we are under siege, and always have been, I think is a given. It’s the nature of life! There’s always a bully on the playground, you have to be ready to deal with it all the time. Fact of life.
Having read in various places some of the critical responses to your first read I’ve decided that for myself, it’s a big old world out there. So there’s room for BOTH posits!!! *G*
I believe we are under siege, and I also see many, many signs that we are indeed, at the dawn of a growing progressive era (thank dawg)!
I don’t think EITHER of those positions is exclusive of the other, and in fact, to keep my sanity I see them both as DEPENDENT upon each other!
So, the bad news is they’re coming by land, by sea AND by air (radio/tv).
The good news is we’re ready for them and have already started mobilizing to thwart them during the past 8 years of BushCo. 3 Lanterns were held aloft from the church tower when the ‘00 Election was stolen by our own government’s system!
We hope on, with VERVE! To NOT do so, would be to hasten our own demise.
Rawhk on, ma’am. You keep us on our toes in the foxholes!
I really appreciate your treatment of this issue, but you might want to take a good look at this characterization. You’ve essentially constructed the tenets of neoconservative foreign policy (the Podhoretz/Kristol type) and its core justification.
Just pretty sure that wasn’t the argument you intended to make.
Anyway, really great follow-up to your prior piece. Thanks!
is this meant sarcastically?
Nathan, you didn’t quote the part of her piece where she explicitly rejects the use of preëmptive violence to “knock them back” before they grow more formidable.
I’m not sure I can define fascism.
But I think I’d know it if I saw it.
I agree with your turning-into-the-parking-lot analogy.
The turn is in large part the fact 70+ percent of Americans want Medicare-type coverage for all, yet the congress will not deliver such a system, because congress has been bought off by corporate interests.
Congratulations, Sara, welcome back and thank you.
Outstanding post, Sara.
Mein Kampf sets forth Hilter’s theories. The first 200 pages or so of William Shirer’s The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich describes how the party put those theories into practice. They are the template for what we’re seeing today.
Wow Sara, thanks for linking to my diary.
I have been keeping an eye out on this stuff for quite some time, especially as the DNC came nearer and nearer in time last year. I watched Denver morph so quickly into a security state it was not even funny.
We need to get you on tv!
Meir Lansky sent Murder inc boys to break up German American Bund meetings.
Here’s what we should do. We need to tell the gun-toting-wingnuts that there will a bunch of gun-toting-liberals down at the junkyard this Saturday who want to kill the wingnuts….and then when they all show up they’ll think each other is a liberal and will start firing!
[Moderator: not trying to incite violence. Just trying to find a way to lower the percentage of wingnuts in our nation. Honest!]
The GOP will always find fake victims no matter what we do. I think its only the fear of the net and video camera showing the GOP abusing people that is keeping them on a leash…for now.
If the GOP thinks they have nothing to lose they can choose flight or fight.
Maier or Meyer
Sara, I’m glad to see you’re continuing to work on this issue.
I know just what you mean – using the “f” word gets you dismissed as a kook pretty quickly by people who haven’t been paying close attention, but…I thought we had dodged the bullet when Obama was elected, but even though I’m old enough to have seen the civil rights demonstrations and resistance, I did not expect quite this level of nutsiness.
On a related note: I’m just so sick of listening to all this hate, I turned to fiction for relief; brought home several books by favorite authors. One is Philip Kerr, whose “Berlin Noir” trilogy I loved. New one, “A Quiet Flame,” I thought was set entirely in 1950 in Argentina.
Nope, Buenos Aires chapters alternate with Berlin, 1932 chapters. It’s a crime novel, but…..protagonist is an anti-Nazi cop, watching his society destroyed….Some escape.
Asked, after his Nazi partner slugs him, “what was it all about?” the protag answers “Politics…That’s what everything’s always about in Germany these days,. Politics.”
Not to take too much from Jeff Foxworthy…but you know it’s fascism when corporations own the government. When private armies fight our wars. When our dear leader issues signings to evade every law congress passes. When the Supreme court and Congress oks every idea and order from our dear leader (leaders). Are we there yet? When bankers fill their pockets with common peoples money…bonus points for fascism?
It’s difficult not to notice a couple of things about this: The right wing militias that were growing like Topsy during the Clinton administration disappeared entirely during the Bush administration. Given their stated purpose of “defense of the homeland”, it’s curious that they vaporized and were nowhere to be seen, even after 9/11. Now that another Dem is in office, they’re popping up like mushrooms again, this time urging people to carry guns to the town-hall meetings in an attempt to intimidate or chase away their political opposites. Note also their rhetoric that “Obama is destroying the Constitution!”. Odd, isn’t it, that there wasn’t a peep out of these jokers during the Bush administration, when the Constitution actually WAS being destroyed?
While there is considerable racism in the town hall Right (”Send immigrants back to where they came from, with a bullet in their heads!”), the motivation behind this anger over reform seems to be far more primitive, along the lines of “my team” against “their team”. I think it’s pretty obvious that if this reform had somehow been pushed by the Bushies (fat chance), there would’ve been nary a peep out of these currently hopping mad knuckle-heads. All they really know about this is that it is a Democratic administration pushing something, therefore, whatever it is, it’s evil. The Democrats could be proposing a free gun giveaway and the talk radio zombies would find some reason to object to it (”the guns will have microchip beacons telling the black helicopers where to land!!”). Obama ought to wash his hands clean of this “bipartisan” bullshit and set it up for 51 votes in the Senate, no compromises, no cutting the heart out of it to get a single Republican vote.
Pass a great bill and let the GOP piss and whine about it while health care cost drop, boosting the economy and unlocking the insurance monopolies. Then, get ready to make some super campaign commercials of the Republican obstructionists screaming about the death panels that never materialized. Say hello to the Democratic landslide and the death of the GOP.
Turning the GOP against each other is actually a good idea. Tea baggers hate taxes the banks will need another bailout.
If the Tea baggers do nothing they lose Cred. We make the Dems get all the GOPers on board with the bailout the GOP is the probusiness party nobody should expect our Progressives to vote for the next bank bailout after what they put us through with healthcare.
If all the GOP votes for a bankbailout then good by Tea Baggers.
Thanks
You see the hero in the Missouri town hall rip up the poster with Rosa Parks on it?
We correct them every morning first thing in the morning here they barely have time to lie before we correct them.
Lansky recalled breaking up a Brown Shirt rally in the Yorkville section of Manhattan: “The stage was decorated with a swastika and a picture of Hitler. The speakers started ranting. There were only fifteen of us, but we went into action. We threw some of them out the windows. Most of the Nazis panicked and ran out. We chased them and beat them up. We wanted to show them that Jews would not always sit back and accept insults.”"
Maybe the blogs could organize a list of advertisers we could write letters too? I gave up tv to avoid being forced to pay for basic cable and Fox News.
It’s Meyer. He said the only game you have a chance at winning is Blackjack. He would know.
Inspiring, funny the NeoClowns many of whom are Jewish have all been quite about hate radio. Its almost like they can’t see the many similar things that Rush, Beck and the Nazi’s share.
Maier Suchowljansky (Meyer Lansky), the son of Jewish parents, was born in Grodno, Russia (now in Poland) on 4th July, 1902. The family moved to the United States in 1911 and the settled in New York.
Sara this is brilliant I am serious we need you on tv.
Sara. Outstanding and on target.
On local. Local starts with our own personal networks. Time to start detoxifying discourse and break the spell of the shock jock doctrine that has grabbed our friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers.
He really hated Castro for closing down the casinos. Cold blooded dude.
I liked his birthday party in the Godfather!
Leaving don’t let the trolls bite today they seemed agitated I think they are scared. Maybe they got early word on the facts of PW’s post?
I think we should encourage the GOP to get more angry they make more mistakes then.
I direct you to this post by ex Special Forces Col Pat Lang.
“Whose country is this?” John Wilkes Booth wrote those words in his day book while hiding in the Maryland woods, nursing a broken leg. The day before he shot Lincoln, Booth stood in a crowd and heard the president say something that indicated that freed blacks would have to be citizens. Booth then said to one of his men, “That means votes for n—–s. Now I’ll put him through.” That seems to have been the moment of decision for murder.
Yup. And the media, broadcast, anyway, is afraid to mention it.
Talk of the Nation today, “political junkie” segment – a caller pointed it out, very clearly, that this is at bottom about a black man being president.
The white House reporter, Don Ganyea, acknowledged that. The “Political Junkie” himself (name escapes) demurred. The best he could bring himself to say was that he couldn’t “deny” that race might be a small part of it.
Sigh.
Ruthlessness? Where is that characteristic in your admirable list, Sara?
We get punked all the time because: 1) no one in authority on our side is willing to take risks sufficient to shut the fascist mobs down; and 2) with damb few exceptions (Rahm Emanuel comes to mind), no one in authority on our side is ruthless enough to put the fear of all that’s holy in the wacko fascists out there.
Study FDR and LBJ; both of them were ruthless as hell, didn’t take shit from anybody, and turned their political opposition into jibbering fools after scaring the pants off them. They knew how to play the game hard. And they did.
Politeness has its functions; rational argument has its place. But when you are dealing with people who aren’t very bright or are deliberately misinformed on the one hand, and who don’t care about propriety on the other, you have to be tough and hard on them; make them fear you.
Right now the fascists don’t have any fear at all, and that’s why they behave with such complete impunity. We don’t have control of the mass media, and government — apparently — has been ordered not to intervene in the summer fracas.
So…
How do you assert authority over these cretins? They will only respond to authority. Not reason. Ruthless authority. Not gentle persuasion.
This has been the lesson progressives have so far been unable to learn, what with taking the High Road and all. But there are smart ways to be ruthless as hell, and we need much more of that and less of mindless compromise and accommodation.
The baggers and birthers are psychologically incapable of living in an evolving and everchanging world. They likely fear change more than death itself.
Sounds like a great way to provide that “spark” that is needed to really get some serious violence cooking. But that’s what Che was into, no?
And he made sure everyone got a piece of cake.
Whew, at first I though you meant Che!
If only you were working in the WH!
The Democrats are “playing this just right” and fighting “with unusual elan”? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Either that or there’s another Democratic Party performing these amazing feats.
Are you talking about the same Democrats who enabled EVERY FUCKING ONE of Bush’s misdeeds? Or did I somehow miss those filibusters of the tax cuts, AUMF in Iraq, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Roberts and Alito nominations and on and on? How come the “60 vote” rule never came into play in those cases, even during the period when Democrats had the fucking majority in the Senate?
Are you talking about the same Democratic leadership that has supported and led cheers for the Wall St. welfare program, the off-shoring of millions of jobs, shied away from even limited investigations of Bush’s war and domestic crimes and continued Bush’s fascistic assault on civil liberties? Who shill for more MIC pork programs like the F-22, continuation of the war in Afghanistan and make no effort to reign in our bloated military spending while insisting that health care reform be deficit neutral?
You’re entirely right to warn that we’re very close to or have actually crossed the line into fascism. You’re blind spot is in not recognizing that none of this could have taken place if the Democrats had provided even the merest semblance of an opposition party.
Define your terms–fascism is the conjoining of government and corporations. That is what we have now. Projection is what the right wing always does to deflect their true motives away from themselves. Unfortunately, when we accurately call Rush Limbaugh a fascist, most people don’t know what we are talking about. Maybe we should call him a prick. That is also accurate.
Well. This all could have been stopped a long time ago if there was any actual opposition, as fredcdobbs points out above. “Ruthless opposition” doesn’t have to mean violence at all. I don’t think FDR or LBJ had anyone’s legs broken, for example, in order to get their domestic programs through (leaving the wars aside, of course.) But both of them knew how to play the political game to win, and they had strong allies in congress. And enough of the people behind them. The troglodytes were just as brainless and ugly then as they are now (the current mob scenes at the townhalls has the distinct smell of the segregationist mobs flinging poo during the Civil Rights Era, for example), and there was real violence. No spark required.
But those who won did not employ (much) violence, though they were ruthless — and smart. They knew how to use their powers to make their opponents lives miserable. And they did it. Without any pussy-footing or compromise or accommodation.
Read Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse. A classic set in Germany during the rise of Hitler. It was also made into a terrific movie in 1974. Quite a feat considering that reading it you wouldn’t think it could be turned into a screenplay. It’s kind of introspective, and highly intellectual.
#9 recommended the Umberto Eco essay, Eternal Fascism. So I read it and found #13 to be eerily relevant to the current circumstance:
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Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.
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Perhaps “selected group of citizens” == teabaggers? (this week, anyway)
Yes to all except three. You have to be willing to break them on the streets.
ChePasa, you do not have an FDR. You have a Chamberlain, at best.
Get the police on your side? Get the media to tell it straight? Shut down the hate talkers? How? Progressives have been trying to do these things for years! Now it may be that the radicals will overstep, and commit some act of violence that shocks much of the public. But other than that, what’s the plan of action? Who does what to make this happen?
Croak!
This is a minor nit, and actually makes your overall thesis more reasonable: you misunderstand Godwin’s law.
It does not posit that comparing anyone to a fascist is ipso facto proof you’re off the deep end. It more specifically requires a comparison to Hitler and/or the Nazis (in the world of internet commentary, pretty much the same thing).
Which is a difference because while we think of Hitler as the poster boy for fascism, he was a whole extra level of evil and malevolence. Mussolini wasn’t exactly a fun tyrant, but even he was no Hitler.
I understand that many people mistakenly read “fascist” for the Nazis, it really is a broader label. Differing degrees of both stupidity and heinousness (though levels are high with both pretty much all the way around).
Support legislators who don’t show fear.
I would if there were any.
I think its important to distinguish between fascism, which is a political theory of governance, and the use of thuggery to advance political objectives. shrubco’s philosophy of governance (as well as many of its actions) had many points of similarity with fascist theory, but one can hardly make the same argument of the Obama administration. Corporations may still be uncomfortably close to government officials but this is less about theory and philosophy than aboupt the raw power of money and of venal corruption. We can disagree wtih Obama’s actions (or lack thereof) to change this status quo, but that alone does not make him a fascist or the president of a fascist country. Far from it.
Mob rule and demagoguery, however much a threat they are to our country now, is not literally fascism, although many historical fascists have embraced mob thuggery.. but so have anarchists, communists, socialists, nationalists, Christian democrats and a bunch of others. The Nazi SA maybe the quintessential fascist thuggish mob, but it was initially founded not as the Sturm Abteilung (Storm Corps) but as the Saalschutz Abteilung – literally, “Hall Defense Corps.” Its purpose was to PREVENT well-intentioned Germans who objected to the fascists from disrupting fascist meetings at beerhalls and the like – in short, to stop people like us from trying to halt the Nazi takeover of Germany by protesting loudly at fascist rallys. The SA, in its original form, consisted of a bunch of thuggish skin-headdish bouncers who would beat up and then eject protesters from fascist public meetings. The name was only changed much later.
As you can see, historical comparisons have their limits. The town hall teabaggers may be thugs, they may be anti-democratic, may be a threat to civil society, and they may even back fascists, and it may be appropriate to call them “Brown Shirts,” which I do (for their organized thuggish behavior, not for their political views) but just the fact that they disrupt democratic assemblies does not make them fascists per se. More likely, they’re just manipulated fools with a mean streak, a lack of learning, and too much time on their hands. Such people, regardless of their political beliefs, pose a fundamental threat to democratic society. ;-)
I think you should use some real history not conspiracy driven guesses in determining when facism started in America.
In 1933, J.P. Morgan sent a representative to Europe to analyze the facist movements there. On his return he recommended to a group of manufacturers assembled by the bank that America should use the French facists party as a model. They agreed and pledged $300 million to a campaign to overthrow the US government. They formed the Liberty League which was to recruit 500,000 WWI soldiers to march to Washington to arrest Roosevelt and install Major General Smedley Darlington Butler ( one of a very few soldiers to win two Congressional Medals of Honor while living) as dictator. The Dupont Co purchased the Remington Arms Co. to supply weapons. The owner of Singer Sewing Machine Co. pledged $30,000 to pay Gen. Butler. Gen. Butler turned in the conspirators. The McCormick Committee investigated and issued a report stating that Gen. Butler’s testimony was truthful. In 1978, a book was published providing details of the attempted coup. Since then the Republican Party has consistently pursured the policies of French Facism.
Why arent we calling these ‘thugs’ by their correct names..are we too politically correct ? They are the true Americans …RED necks WHITE trash and BLUE collar.
They are the Lumpen Proletariat that has been so glorified for at least the last 10 years. You cant be too ignorant or stupid in America. They are the expendable pawns and foot soldiers of the Oligarchy. Those mega-executives who are manipulating these morons wouldnt deign to even spit on one of them.
And these self proclaimed, proud to be, morons are yapping and yammering to be of use to their elite masters. The powerless sniveling and groveling up to the Powerful..thinking maybe some of that Power will rub off on them ? The very class of people who have brought them to the economic and political impasse that they are so angry and freaked out about.
They are disgusting and we should all be ashamed that we have such dangerous ignoramuses in our population. But did we (for instance)stick up against the NRA for Gun Control? No.
That we intelligent believers in Democracy allow this is pitiful. We have been Decent and Polite way too long. Not to sink into their level, but we are still allowing these low life pigs the very rights that they would gladly deny us..Its really time to take a stand against Fascism now. Be the Elitist Jeffersonian .Stick up for Intelligent Socialism. There is noting wrong with it.
We Shall Overcome, again.
Amazing..I only knew of parts of that story. Thank you for filling in and connecting the dots. Of course,these same people also were involved in the anti-union movement. The thugs breaking up WOBBLY meetings, etc.
Thanks Sara.
In addition to what SouthernDragon recommended, Shirer’s book and Sara’s own citing of Paxton’s book, there are some others that are pertinent and eye-opening.
Carl Schmitt – The Concept of the Political. He’s that man who was a theorist for the Nazis. He basically believes that anyone who is willing to compromise to get along with the other side is weak and deserves no quarter. His favorite analogy is the “friend-enemy” relationship. Anyone who is perceived to be an enemy, and that can be anyone who disagrees with your position and who you perceive as a threat to your way of life deserves to be destroyed.
Schmitt served as an inspiration for Leo Strauss who is an iconic hero for such people as Rumsfeld and Cheney, men who believe Strauss’s assertion that it is not only acceptable, but obligatory for higher placed persons to lie, straight out about what they are going to do.
Richard J. Evans wrote a great trilogy on the Nazis, the last volume of which recently came out in hardcover:
1. The Coming of the Third Reich – the tactics used by the Teabaggers at town halls are all in here;
2. The Third Reich in Power
3. The Third Reich at War
Then there’s the classic Sinclair Lewis, It Can’t Happen Here and finally a book written about people who actually saw what was happening and didn’t actually see, or didn’t care, about what was happening “They Thought They Were Free” by Milton Mayer.
When we spend an inordinate amount of time attacking each other we let the other side insidiously advance its agenda.
thanks for opening this conversation.
Thanks Sara; Maybe Sibel Edmonds would want to speak up, or Valerie Plame Wilson, and/or that Brit Katharine Gun.
Wasn’t it Il Duci ( Musolini ) himself who said the word facist should really be changed to Corporatist, to be more accurate?
Thanks again Sara.
Thank you Sara, as always. I keep hoping that some of these radio talkers will just spontaneously combust what with all the vitriol they must be soaked in and the heat their rants must generate. The part that makes me the most mad is that some of them don’t believe word they’re saying, they’ve just found the gravy train and they don’t want to get off.