One of the last NN09 panels today featured Digby, Ian Welsh, Mike Lux, Rep. Eric Massa, with Jay Ackroyd chairing.
The panel’s theme was framed around the idea of a reverse "shock doctrine" in which progressives would seize the opportunity of following George Bush and move aggressively to implement a progressive agenda. What happened?
Mike Lux recalled other transformational moments in US history that followed massive shocks to the system; in this view, the New Deal was a great progressive period built on economic collapse. Another moment followed President Kennedy’s assassination, in which Johnson pushed through the Civil Rights Act, Medicaid and other progressive milestones.
So was Obama’s election such a moment, and if so, are we using this moment well or have we already blown it? In Marcy Wheeler’s ealier panel on torture, the answer was already a resounding no. In another panel on the absence of an industrial policy, the answer was also no, and a panel on the climate change bill wasn’t more positive. So it seems to me this was a major theme throughout the NN09 conference, and the verdict was at best split but more probably very negative.
The optimists are President Bill Clinton, Gov. Howard Dean (speaking last night) and Valerie Jarrett (this morning). Like Clinton, Dean is convinced that "we’re winnning" on health reform, and the evidence is the level of discourse used by the other side. When all they’ve got is phony euthanasia scare stories, he assured us, they’ve bet their future on a strategy that is more likely to discredit and doom them to 40 years in the wilderness.
Of course, that optimistic view depends on the assumption that the death panel lie is as low as the right wing will go to discredit the President and any progressive agenda (which are not the same). I wish I believed that, but what evidence do we have that there is a lower limit?
As Digby noted later, as long as we have a complicit media, unwilling to call out and condemn outrageous behavior by the right wing, there’s no reason to assume things can’t get worse, and possibly more violent. And you have to wonder when the right thinks the prudent thing to do is buy as much ammunition for your assault rifle as you can, while the left is writing blogs on how to organize better lobbying in Congress.
Jarrett’s loyalty to Obama personally and politically was enough for her, and she’s the perfect ambassador for the Administration — perfect for most audiences but probably not this one. Although many still want to believe in Obama’s message of hope, many more seem openly skeptical that this White House is really serious about "using the crisis" effectively to pursue a progressive agenda.
Ian did a fine job illustrating how the Administration had failed to seize the financial crisis and the necessity of saving the economy as an opportunity to downsize and reregulate the banking system. Massa added the concerns about how the health care debate has already been hijacked and at best is now badly compromised from where it needs to be. His view of the public option is decidedly more negative than Dean’s.
Given how bogged down the agenda seems, the panel’s audience was left wondering whether there really was a crisis moment to seize, given how the limits have been defined. I think there was.
If the "shock" was 8 years of outrageous government behavior, then the opportunity was there for a new Administration to restore the legitimacy and efficacy of government, both as a corrective agent for overturning and prosecuting the outrages and as the necessary counterweight against the defenders of the previous regime and its powerful corporate beneficiaries.
Digby said perhaps we weren’t ready, that when the right moment arrived, we needed to be better prepared with what we wanted to happen. But I think progressives were ready for the most part.
As I’ve argued with Ian, the stimulus and budget bills weren’t ad hoc measures; they contained extensive, well thought out laundry lists of dozens of things that needed money that had been neglected and which pointed in a different direction. Those became the basis for those bills.
And there wasn’t any question about what needed to happen in revitalizing the regulatory system in every industry. Nor were there any doubts that we needed to overturn virtually every DoJ "terror" ruling of the last seven years, end the practices and bring the law breakers to justice.
So we had the shock, it created an opportunity, we knew what needed to be done, we won the elections and progressives were ready. But in every one of these cases, the effort was cut off at the knees by a White House that was either too cautious, too unwilling to fight, or really didn’t believe in what needed to be done.
I’m left with wondering about Rahm Emanuel. When he said, "a crisis is a terrible thing to waste," was he just putting us on? Or was he serious but the teams of Bush holdovers and corporate lobbyists too compromised or incompetent? Did he simply underestimate the viciousness of the right? I didn’t hear any answers, but I don’t think they’d speak well for the team of rivals.





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Scarecrow, thank you for the summary, as depressing as it is.
I love Howard Dean, I respect him, and I am overcome with gratitude for all he’s done for the Democratic party, but I think he’s wrong on this one.
I think the Republicans, even if they haven’t “won,” have made a number of gains with their vile conduct on the health care debate:
**they’ve sucked all the oxygen out of the room. There’s no debate on issues; there’s only coverage of whatever crazy stands up & screams;
**they’ve made Congresscritters scared
**they’ve made “reasonable” but low-intelligence people confused and frightened. Note how many questions come from these folks [the non-crazies], reflecting their real concerns and fears. The craziness has permeated their brains.
Smart people, like Howard and most progressives, can look at the crazies, their signs, their yelling, their red faces and write them off for what they are — irrelevant bullies. But Joe & Jane Normal, watching this all on their “local news,” get scared and concerned. Doubts grow in their minds. They don’t immediately think, “those fucking Republicans. What’s wrong with them. Why can’t they be civil. No chance I’m voting for them next time. “
Nope, they internalize those slogans, fantasies, signs and wonder. They’re scared. They’re also stupid, but stupidity has never barred one from casting a ballot.
I think a “message of hop” would be a lot better than the crap Obama’s currently peddling.
And I echo Allan’s appreciation for your cogent summary.
Yeah, I meant “hope” but other interpretations are possible.
Excellent reporting, Scarecrow; thanks! Eric Massa is one of the true “mo better Democrats” we hear tell about and deserves whatever help he needs to preserve his seat.
Bullshit comes in large doses.
Truth comes in zero doses.
Give me a platform, I’ll tell you some crap.
Ask me to tell the truth: I’ll turn to number theory.
I could not read your post without a certain level of frustration. Clinton and Jarrett are your standard bullshit Establishment politicians. What are they even doing at a Netroots Convention? Dean certainly has connections to the netroots but has been deeply dishonest on the issue of healthcare. He might have used his position to lead. Instead he has used it to sell the line that we are winning when we have already lost. I am sure that the convention is a great place to kick back and hoist a few with friends and colleagues, but is there a real point to it all? I broke with Obama in July 2008 when he backstabbed progressives and pushed for passage of the FISA Amendments Act. He has screwed us over ever since. You say that progressives were ready. I seriously doubt that. Most still think that Obama and the Democrats are on our side. “too cautious, too unwilling to fight, or really didn’t believe in what needed to be done”? Obama and the Democrats are doing exactly what they want. They are filling out Bush and Clinton’s third term. Imperial wars, crony capitalism, a surveillance state, dominance of neoliberalism in economics and neoconservatism in foreign affairs, refusal to accept the rule of law and the Constitution as it applies to them and their predecessors. They have trampled and spat upon every last shred of the progressive agenda, and the netroots still has not discerned a pattern? Just a vague unease around the edges? Maybe they play us the way they do because they count on us remaining so clueless. I mean look how much energy the netroots and progressives have expended pursuing the Amazing Shrinking public option, an insignificant contentless figleaf to another much larger, overarching sellout to a bunch of outdated US corporations that have no interest in improving anything other than their control of their market.
You want a crisis? How about the depression that will hit us in 2011? Will progressives be ready then. I think they will be as ready as they are now, which is to say, not at all.
Hugh, That’s a tough one; but I agree. We weren’t ready. I hope we’ll do better in 2011.
Sigh. Here’s the current news (with the first paragraph) from the AP:
Could someone tell me what IS the “essential element” of the health care overhaul? I’m a reasonably intelligent person, and I follow politics fairly closely, and I still have no idea what it is we’re fighting for here.
The “essential element” is to ensure that capital remains king.
If not now, when?
“essential element” of the health care overhaul?”
A cost control mechanism! REVOKE the tax exempt status of corporations which abuse exempt tax status in health care. Use Tax liabilities and the tax code to control the behavior of corporations in health care which practice legalized discrimination, a form of slavery , as the tax code is used to regulate Americans everyday, usually for the benefit of corporations!
The essential element is that Democrats
prostateprostrate themselves before theDaddy Republicans, apologizing for even existing and promising not to do it again.
Richard Thaler, one of Austan Goolsby’s buddies from the Univ. of Chicago, ””http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08…..6view.html”” explains in the NYT that the public option is worthless anyway, bound to fail, just like the Post Office.
Scenes from a
UN relief camp in Darfurfree health clinic in Los Angeles.Richard Thaler, as in Cass Sunstein’s coauthor.
Nudge nudge, wink wink.
[bad link in #13, BTW - you probably meant this ]
Not all that long ago there were a lot of idiots out there (including a lot of Progressive idiots) saying the Republicans don’t matter anymore. In fact the Republicans do matter.
Few of us enjoyed the George W years but few of us want socialism (other than the Progressives of course).
Progressives need to re-examine their whole belief system. They think everything should be an entitlement but haven’t a clue how to pay for it. Most Americans (including many liberals) are more responsible.
Progressives are wrong on so very many levels.
And unionizing WalMart……absolutely crazy. It will only hurt the poor by doubling prices.
Also, just to set things straight, World War II ended the depression not the New Deal or FDR.
Progressives mean well. They are just…..wrong.
July 2008- The big sellout!
I am with you Hugh, we are being stroked by corporate Democrats who see us as a means to an end. I feel used.
And I agree with Frank P, just what the hell is the plan? Its all being done outta sight in the back room. We’re props just as those asshole teabaggers.
Casing the joint?
I’m left with wondering about Rahm Emanuel. When he said, “a crisis is a terrible thing to waste,” was he just putting us on? Or was he serious but the teams of Bush holdovers and corporate lobbyists too compromised or incompetent? Did he simply underestimate the viciousness of the right? I didn’t hear any answers, but I don’t think they’d speak well for the team of rivals.
Why would Rahm want to institute any Progressive policies? He doesn’t. That’s the problem. Why do you think he recruited Blue Dogs? Granted, down South cultural issues are a problem, but are you telling me a populist can’t win? Rahm recruits DINO’s because he is one of them. His only loyalty is to money or those that can help him get more of what he wants(power).
Problem is, how would Dennis K. or Bernie Sanders ever get elected President? Hell, even Fightin’ Bob LaFollette(yeah .. he was a Republican Progressive .. weird .. huh?) only ever carried his home state of Wisconsin. I feel your pain. I really do. I’d just like to know what other things we can do.
Yeah, Democrats have shown themselves to be the New Republicans so of course it is we not they who need to re-examine our “whole belief system”. What utter horse manure. What we need to re-examine are our alliances with and support for the Democratic party.
I am (sighing) too …
About 12 years ago many activists, myself included fought hard against the Welfare DEFormed bill (or the ironic official name given by the entitled elitist corporate welfare queen and Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector who wrote the bill: The Personal Responsibility Act).We were told by the Clinton administration when he signed it into law that he would create policy around it that wouldn’t be so harsh on the poor. Never happened.
Instead Welfare DEFormed has plunged millions of families into permanent poverty, given large coporations lots of incentives to *not* pay livable wages, taken away and limited services to the point of causing desperation and homelessnes to entire families, and not done a thing to eradicate poverty, indeed it increased it.
But Robert Rector and his buddies, they are doing fine indeed they are now part of the ever widening gap between the rich and poor in America, worse than even before the Great Depression.
So when I see this frustration happening all over again with Progressive, believe me I see a repeat in history. All I have to say is that you have far more support than we did in 1994-1995 with the poor who were successfully demonized and blamed for all our woes even though corporate welfare was literally thousands of times more expensive to our tax base, and the poor have been paying the highest taxes of all classes in the U.S.. We could not seem to get that message out to anyone as the torches and pitchforks, many carried by so-called “progressive” Democrats (yes YOU TOO,Dennis Kucinich) when the lone person in the legislature standing for the poor, was Paul Wellstone.
I think it is a matter of getting the word out in no uncertain terms and at least you have a few well known persons calling for the right things on our side, which is more that we had in 1994-1995. Just USE them again and again, because the morons who are waving their arms at these town meetings are LYNCH MOBS with grey hair. They don’t have a clue. They are old white entitled YUPPIE idiots who don’t even know THEY are using the Public option with their own Medicare. They are spoiled brats, and believe me as one of their generation I have seen their temper fits for 40 years now.
Don’t BUY their “I walked 5 miles to the snow to get to school” stories, they were babied and given everything, nice cars, nice homes to grow up in, virtually free college educations ~ and they sold out we activists of their generation who worked for social justice just so they could make a buck. And while there are a few who had economically hard lives in their camp, believe me, most of their generations who did not have it easy, are *not* with them. And even with the ones who had it hard in their generation (I am one of them), it was still better than most young people’s economic situation today, especially for low income parents who don’t have 1/4 the safety net these grey haired entitles had and destroyed for YOU.
So my advice if you want to win this debate is: USE your allies, you have some great ones with a lot of credibility, like the nurses, doctors, public figures like Dr Dean, etc. Use them again and again in meetings, in the media, on the Net. And this will go a looooong way to shutting up these entitled spoiled brats who think they *know* it all when they have had almost everything they possess like a free and decent education, which their grandchildren now have to go in hawk for the rest of their lives to get, handed to them on a silver platter.
Like I said they do *not* have a clue. USE YOUR BASE!
Cat In Seattle
From afar, it looks like net roots is at best 40 percent progressive. The straw poll taken with only 53 percent voting for a public option or no passage says a great deal, imo.
Clinton, the hundred million dollar man, was both lowering the bar and working on his legacy at Net Roots. He wants Obama to succeed, but not to much.
Watching so many people from Clinton or Obama this week to the left blogosphere defend and accept compromised partial bill abortions on health care while abandoning advocacy of what might work is just depressing. We progressives (and dems) need both a written platform and lines in the sand just as much as wingnuts do… otherwise we are the only side which moves and loses.
Calling whatever will be passed on health care a must / victory at this point is beyond absurd. At best I can tell… the very best deal on the folding table will put a few million in a public plan and around ten million permanent new customers for private insurance… leaving prices sky high with promise of slower rise in prices… and nearly forty million who will remain without any pretense of coverage or care.
IMO, the very first need a is bill along the lines of making health care a human right, by say Jan 2011. And then passing whatever public plan /single payer (Hell, call it Libertea Health Act) which will establish a system which provides it.
“I’m left with wondering about Rahm Emanuel. When he said, “a crisis is a terrible thing to waste,” was he just putting us on? Or was he serious but the teams of Bush holdovers and corporate lobbyists too compromised or incompetent? Did he simply underestimate the viciousness of the right? I didn’t hear any answers, but I don’t think they’d speak well for the team of rivals.”
There is nothing to wonder about, rahm is much more interested in personal and party power than serving the american people and accomplishing anything for us. Don’t blame the result of the rahmbama team’s actions on the bush followers for God’s sake. emanuel, the only guy on the dem side who “gets it” according to rove, is one of the most vicious bastards on capitol hill. emanuel drove the clinton administration’s desire to get NAFTA passed. He is well known as the DLC’s master of deceit who specializes in serving big business … he has only done it his entire f’ing political career … and keeping those big donor’s writing checks to the dem party while providing political cover to the dems behind screwing the american people. He trained many of these blue dogs and trained them to bark when it benefits his agenda. If you remember, when he got shouted down for his trigger talk, all of a sudden the blue dogs emerged barking in unison, That is no accident.
emaneul does not use a crisis to help the american people, he uses it to deceive and divert to serve his own agenda. And in the end, the same powerful people that caused the crisis benefit additionally from it and all the public gets is empty soundbites and photo-ops that proclaim victory for them while something entirely different has been effectuated behind the scenes. Have we not seen this pattern play out time and time again over the past 6+ months?
Z
I believe we can pack that hope away with Sebelius’s announcement today that a public option for health insurance is not necessary. I am officially throwing in the towel today. I’ve kept up the hope and I have scorned the naysayers, but I am forced to join them today. I’m just hoping (the last shred of hope I have) that the *bipartisan* health bill doesn’t leave us worse off than we were before, which is a distinct possibility IMO.
The essential element necessary for effective healthcare/insurance reform is a cost control mechanism. Use the tax code and incentives to foster policies which reduce the inherent waste in the health care system?
About 24% of GDP is for energy and health care. Resources for two antiquated systems littered with waste and inefficiencies? Someone’s self interest is protected and flourished while the self interest of another s is decimated……..
Exactly!!! obama’s sellout on the FISA issue was also the moment that I gave up any hope in obama. If a former law professor was willing to sell-out on the rule of law, what principles was he ever going to stand for?
IMO, we would have been better off with clinton II than obama. At least the progressives would/should have known what she was about and we could have begun the hard work of building the infrastructure for a progressive agenda and a possible 3rd party instead of wasting a very important 6+ months … and a lot of money … deluding themselves in the pope of hope.
With Dean, who I generally like but think less of by the day ever since he has gotten himself ensconced in the democratic party’s power structure, lying thru his teeth for the “team”, and an enemy of progressive politics in clinton being given the stage for a one-way conversation to tell us how great everything is going without taking any questions about his contentions, I think this netroots convention has been a sorry spectacle.
So many of these so-called progressives have more loyalty to the dem party than the causes they claim to be so important to them. I think that some “progressives” just think the title is cool so that’s why they purport to be one.
Z
Howard Dean is engaging in wishful thinking.
When Carter was elected with a great landslide and the Democrats had even bigger majorities in Congress, Reagan swept to power only 4 years later and the Senate was Republican. Republicans were supposed to be finished when Carter got elected too.
They were finished again when Clinton was elected. Two years later, Republicans took over the Congress.
Aside from all of that, wishing the other party were “over” is really like a tendency to want a dictatorship. You would rather that only your party ruled and that the other one would go away. Or, that they would just do what you want, which is the same thing by another method.
Get over the childish idea of only having things your way. That’s not progressive.
I come down on the side of the pessimists here. Obama and O-Rahma are a serious problem to any “plan” there might be to alter the direction of America in any decisive way at this time. We are not winning and there is no reason to think we are. We elect our leaders to lead. Our loyalty is based on the faith we place in them to lead effectively and our efforts follow that faith. I have no faith in Obama and O-Rahma. ObamaRahma have decided to play games rather than ignite the passion of their followers. There isn’t that much “reserve capacity” among liberal followers to support “patience” nor “persistence”.
Isn’t this what Bu$h did with 9/11 to start an unjust war? “Shock and Awe” is just an excuse to shove through laws that benefit a few while hurting the rest of us. Meanwhile, even though millions were in the street before the invasion, it was successfully silenced and ignored.
Rahm Emanuel is an elitist Trojan Horse who knows well how Bu$h and his Evil Empire did things and is a disciple of their principles. He whispers in Obama’s ear to do things that are not good for the rest of us, we are seeing it. If Obama listens, well perhaps it is up to us to speak out much louder and let our president know Emanuel’s smooth words are not worth listening to and that perhaps We The People are more aware about what is happening out here, than Emanuel does, who is not to be trusted because he is merely a corporate whore who does not have a clue nor wants a clue about the rest of us.
There, I said it and I do not regret it, Rahm Emanuel is not to be trusted, he is no better than any of those evil Bu$h hacks!
Cat In Seattle
If Obama Dems were remotely competent or ready to use disaster for the betterment.
They would have used these health nazis, with death threats… funded by billionaires (Koch) and countless large corporations… to do two things.
Change the power of money in political discourse.
And bring a new fairness doctrine to the floor for a vote the first week of September.
AMEN ES! Take those freaking things way and the incentives will go with them …
Cat
The MSM have been reduced to paparazzi hoping to catch Paris Hilton, Britney Speers and Amy Whinehouse in a cat fight over a dime bag of cocaine.
Pearlstein nailed it last week:
This gets back to me wondering what the raison d’être is of the Netroots convention. I would expect more conflict between progressives and non-progressives and admittedly I’m not there either but I’m not hearing about much of any.
In response to tinman1967 @ 16
We’d pay for it the same way that the rest of the industrialized world pays for it. We’d take the column on everyone’s pay stub that’s now labeled “Healthcare premium” and relabel it “healthcare tax.” Then we’d cut the amount in half and have money to cover everyone and give everyone better care.
The biggest political allies for the Progressives, are the Native Americans, Chicanos, and African Americans. Why? Because all three communities for “identity politics” are inherently Progressive. Thus, I have distaste for all things “netroots”. However, I am a big fan of Democratic-oriented political blogs such as The Lake, but only if I can make the Lake more ethnic-centric.
And as a proud Chicano, any discussion that speaks to the ‘details’ of a ‘racial or ethnic’ for our daily lives is usually met with some distaste. And thus, I will continue to march foward with my politics, and it does not include much if any ‘pleasure’ for Team Obama or even for the politics and behavior espoused the Little Rahma, Obama’s chief of staff. Consequently, ‘racial and ethnics’ and like-minded Progressives fit a political ‘need’ to the extent that collectively, we have no where else to go. As such, my politics is for the “long view” in which the title of President is temporary, and Citizen is permanent.
So, what is the Progressive “agenda” other than genuflecting at the Altar of Team Obama?
Having a ‘counter-Agenda’ to Team Obama would be a game-changer, and the Internet via the Lake, can lead this movement given that Democratic Women are the future, but have, inadvertently, permitted themselves to be ‘discounted’ at bargain basement prices. So, we, Chicanos, and myself, in particular, are willing to ‘contribute’ to crafting this counter-Agenda to Team Obama, relative to the ‘long view’. And ‘ideas’ moves politics forward, since Team Obama, doesn’t have any ‘constructive’ ideas since their agenda is a continuation of the ’spill over’ from the Bush administration, and from the Clinton Era.
Jaango
I heard a show was on showing France’s health system (in a positive light) but they said docs only make $50,000-$100,000 instead of the more usual $300,000-$400,000. No one here would ever become docs if we were like France. For nurses I suspect it is even worse.
I recall a time during the past primaries when a Clinton campaign aid impaled the Madam, Secretary of State, on a cocaine straw. Then, Senator Obama, did not dignify the disparaging comment and the American people, made their decision. Through the primaries and election, President Obama’s demeanor in the face of attacks, predicated on wedge issues, distortions and lies, is like a fighter who takes a beating and counter punches with devastating effect.
Maybe a more thorough investigation revealing and demonstrating to the “uniformed American,” the ways health corporations are “”subsidized” by the American citizen/consumer as to the much unreported, “subsidies” for for profit health care corporations, never mind subsidies received by the BCBSs, and Kaisers of the world which are tax exempt corporations and considered Public charities for tax law purposes? This system is rigged just like a Gambling Casinos. Gamble with American lives and people do need more information. Problem is, we are not getting the right kind of information to make an informed decision! I believe President Obama has a counter punch coming, on behalf of the American people and this nation. With this counter punch he can expose facts not known and unreported. Facts that can in a heartbeat dispel myths and really engage America into action. As opponents speak more in opposition of the need for reform, the evidence for reform becomes, more appealing, supporting reforms. HRC was impaled on a coke straw by her s campaign aid amd Obama turned it into a positive! The more debate the better as the “status quo” slowly (like Clinton in the primaries,) impales themselves like worms on a fish hook, to again be cast into the pool of public opinion. “Time” may not be such a bad thing, in this debate!
FOX SCOOP!
8/15/09:
“[I]t took until this week for us to find out that there were no death panels!”
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908150004
There’s our conservative media in action. They admit this after the damage is done. Then 1 second later they have a guest who explains that the government is just going to find other ways to kill us, just like they do here in Oregon! You decide whether to laugh or cry over this. I’m for choice regarding birth, death, and everything in between.
As for using the crisis, don’t put a community organizer/professor in charge of your marketing department. Obama went on TV and said Medicare/Medicaid would consume the entire federal budget. Recently, he told a town hall that Fedex and UPS were doing fine but the Post Office was having all the problems – to counter the charge that a public option would put private insurers out of business. Those remarks are out of context, but, while they may be a way to stimulate discussion, they are not the way to sell a government insurance plan!
“He is well known as the DLC’s master of deceit who specializes in serving big business … he has only done it his entire f’ing political career … and keeping those big donor’s writing checks to the dem party while providing political cover to the dems behind screwing the american people.”
And here is rahm’s latest schtick where he plays defender of the american people’s interest while he works behind the scenes to orchestrate something completely different:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08…..ws.html?hp
“Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, has fought to retain the government insurer in the Obama health plan but conceded last week that the White House might not have a choice.
“We have heard from both chambers that the House sees a public plan as essential for a final product, and the Senate believes it cannot pass it as constructed and co-op is what they can do,” he said in an interview. “We are cognizant of that fact.”
The duo of deceit, the rahmbama team, do their best to insure that “we don’t have a choice”.
Z
You caught it exactly. While I, too, look from afar, from the coverage Netroots looks like a center-left coalition, and this when the national power emanates from the center… well, you can guess in what direction the left will bend.
The problem lies in accepting the structural parameters of those who hold the power, and also in single-issuing the left’s issues to death. As Scarecrow notes, the early Johnson administration was able to deal with both major civil rights reform and Medicaid/Medicare, and massively upping federal aid to education, and started the National Endowment for the Arts, and appointed the first African-American to the Supreme Court, etc. They didn’t say, well, we have to work first on health care and civil rights will have to wait, etc. The Republican counter-revolution of the past almost thirty years, abated only slightly by the Clinton years, was all about undoing the Great Society reforms, and as they got up steam, aiming at the New Deal reforms as well.
I will yell until I remain either a voice in the wilderness or I actually see a change that progressives must unite behind a solid platform. That is, Dean should not be up there speaking about health care, unless he’s also touting investigations against torture, an end to DADT, and a major pullback of U.S. military commitment abroad.
I think the last will be the issue that, like Vietnam did, will split the left. It’s not desirable but it is inevitable. Ten more years in Afghanistan or more say the spokespeople for Obama. Over a 100000 contractors in Iraq, while the U.S. troops only pull back to a ring around the city, and the “democratic” Iraqi government starts burning books. Torture so enshrined now in official policy (the Army Field Manual) that 3/4ths of progressives will not even denounce it.
I, perhaps alone here, advocate a split in the Democratic Party. History does not have time to mollify the Blue Dogs. Obama must choose, if he has not already, between the generals and bankers on one side and the people on the other. And progressives must choose, from standing on the sidelines and carping about their favorite issue (and I include myself in this criticism) or uniting the disparate elements in the society into a progressive coalition that fights for a truly progressive platform, presenting thereby a powerful message to the uncommitted and frightened middle of society, who will bend in the direction they perceive there is leadership, and in that, not always to their best interests. That means, among other things, no more Bill Clintons at progressive gatherings, or Rahm Emanuels for that matter..
So we had the shock, it created an opportunity, we knew what needed to be done, we won the elections and progressives were ready.
Progressives didn’t win the elections. The status quo won the elections. That’s the problem. Don’t mistake the fact that many of the folks progressives supported won elections for us winning the elections. The two are not the same.
In many cases, we were mistaken to support people, or we made the best choice available. This Congress is almost certainly more progressive than the last one, or the one before that. It is not, at this time, progressive. Tell me things like this when there are 213 members of the House Progresive Caucus, or when there are 41 progressive Senators who are willing to filibuster regressive legislation. Meanwhile, we still aren’t there.
That should be the lesson of this election cycle. I don’t see many signs yet that we have learned it.
Make that 218 members of the House Progressive Caucus.
BTW, in case you were wondering, there are 80 members now.
This administration is definitely not willing to be progressive. They want to be moderates; the last of the Baby Boomers, trying to make everybody hold hands. It’ll have to wait for some angrier people to get the White House- angry for the right reasons, progressive reasons, real reasons, not made-up ones- before we’ll see any change.
Hugh, you nailed it. Obama Dems = New Republicans.
If Obama tried to get elected in Western Europe on his current policies he would be labled Neo Facsist.
I knew back in 2007 that obama was not going to be the hope that so many people thought, but I was criticized for not being a believer. Then, when he was elected (I voted for him because I thought that he would go down w’s road at a slower pace than mccain) so many people said he was playing a chess game and was several moves ahead of everybody else, which I knew was nonsense because rahm was his first WH appointment, and he kept geithner with his $15,000 tax evasion. Now he has followed w’s path in someways faster and more blatantly than w. Real health care reform is dead and obama is to blame. Does anyone really believe that LBJ with the same Congressional majority would have been so wishy-washy and not gotten done what he wanted?
obama is doing exactly what the big boys want because that is what he wants as well. To cover himself, he has retreated to his community organizer persona: that is to get everyone on the same page, so he is hiding behind “bipartisanship” when everyone, probably including obama, knows it is not a viable way to get anything done.
fight for what YOU want – not what THEY tell you to.
I need free or real cheap health care and coverage for pre-existing conditions. Why should I fight for anything less if that is what I need to survive???
fight for states rights to single payer