It’s not easy to craft an argument more fringe than those of the Birthers, but Center for American Progress’ Lawrence Korb managed to get the job done in his recent wrong-headed piece on Afghanistan.
A recent ABC/Washington Post poll showed that 59 percent of Democrats want troop levels decreased in Afghanistan, versus 29 percent of Republicans. Roughly twice the percentage of Republicans support a troop increase in Afghanistan compared to Democrats. But here’s the thing: Republicans supporting a troop increase in Afghanistan comprise only 33 percent of their party, meaning that they are an even more fringe group than those who doubt/are not sure that Obama is a citizen–a group that claims an additional 25 percent of Republicans compared to the Surgers (let’s coin a phrase, shall we?). Surgers are the true extremists in American politics today.
That’s why it’s absolutely stunning to find a senior fellow of a supposedly progressive think tank like the Center for American Progress pushing Surger rhetoric.
Korb’s article admonishes the president to stop letting troop deployments in Iraq (and, implicitly, American public opinion) limit his troop deployments in Afghanistan. He calls a 21,000 troop increase earlier this year a "good start." Korb’s piece includes all the assumptions that got us into the mess in Afghanistan in the first place: that the September 11 attacks were acts of war, not of grand-scale criminality; that Afghanistan was therefore a war of necessity, not of choice; that because it’s a war of necessity, the Afghanistan expedition justifies massive expenditures and commitment of personnel. In other words, Korb validates the basic frame of the Bush Administration’s foreign policy and of Osama bin Laden’s dreams: the War on Terror.
There’s good reason for the fringe Right to be enthused about policies that fall in line with the War on Terror frame. As George Lakoff and Evan Fritsch wrote in 2006,
The war metaphor was chosen for political reasons. First and foremost, it was chosen for the domestic political reasons. The war metaphor defined war as the only way to defend the nation…Once adopted, the war metaphor…gave [the president] extraordinary domestic power to carry the agenda of the radical right: Power to shift money and resources away from social needs and to the military and related industries. Power to override environmental safeguards on the grounds of military need. Power to set up a domestic surveillance system to spy on our citizens and to intimidate political enemies. Power over political discussion, since war trumps all other topics. In short, power to reshape America to the vision of the radical right — with no end date.
Osama bin Laden intentionally encouraged this kind of thinking as part of his anti-American strategy. According to a 2002 piece by Bruce Riedel:
Bin Laden’s goals remain the same, as does his basic strategy. He seeks to, as he puts it, "provoke and bait" the United States into "bleeding wars" throughout the Islamic world; he wants to bankrupt the country much as he helped bankrupt, he claims, the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
Now, notice that when Korb writes:
On the other hand, Afghanistan is a war of necessity. Our only choice after the Taliban refused to stop providing a safe haven and support for Al Qaeda was to go after those responsible for the attacks of September 11th.
He conflates "to go after those responsible for the attacks" with "a war of necessity." There are only two groups of people who should be enthused about such a conflation: the radical Right and terrorists like Osama bin Laden, both of whom find this frame convenient for advancing their agendas.
Korb never says the words "War on Terror," but his reasoning assumes the frame. Korb’s and others’ inability to shake this frame has me wondering whether some members of the progressive foreign policy community have Stockholm syndrome. When Korb last trotted out his justifications for escalation in Afghanistan using this frame, I wrote:
The War on Terror is a metaphor designed to bludgeon the progressive movement to death. Write that in stone. Tattoo it somewhere on your body where it will hurt. The phrase “War on Terror” blunts dissent, it undermines progressive values at home, and it plays directly into the hands of al-Qaida’s propaganda. People who perpetuate the War on Terror metaphor are, knowingly or not, undermining progress, justice, and peace.
The War on Terror frame is dangerous, and the policies that emerge from it make us less secure while failing to stop terrorism. Given the effects of the frame on American domestic policy and politics, though, it’s not surprising that Surgers are the only ones left supporting the War on Terror centerpiece in Afghanistan. What’s stunning is that an outfit like the Center for American Progress allows the preferred framing of this fringe group to show up on their letterhead.
One more thing. Korb ends his piece thus:
Peter, Paul and Mary put it well when they warned us some 40 years ago, “when will they ever learn?”
Now, I know Larry just plucked a random song out of the air that contained a line useful for making his point (George Bush did the same thing all the time with Bible verses). The thing is, Korb could not have picked a worse lyric to make his point. Here’s the full song, minus all the repetitions and the "long time passing" and the "long time ago":
Where have all the flowers gone?
Young girls have picked them everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?Where have all the young girls gone?
Gone for husbands everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?Where have all the husbands gone?
Gone for soldiers everyone
Oh, when will they ever learn?Where have all the soldiers gone?
Gone to graveyards, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?Where have all the graveyards gone?
Gone to flowers, everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?Where have all the flowers gone?
Young girls have picked them everyone.
Oh, when will they ever learn?
When will you ever learn, Larry?
(Derrick Crowe is the Afghanistan blog fellow for Brave New Foundation / The Seminal. You can learn more about the threat the Afghanistan war poses to our security at Rethink Afghanistan, or by watching the latest segment, "Security," on YouTube.)
Tags: Afghanistan, Bruce Riedel, Evan Frisch, george lakoff, Lawrence Korb, Osama bin Laden, Peter Paul and Mary, Rethink Afghanistan, surgers, war on terror



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Great piece, Derrick, thank you. It’s entirely appropriate to refer to folks who support more troops in Afghanistan as a fringe population as far as I’m concerned.
Well, as long as the people in the Executive branch of the government are supporting more troops for Afghanistan, maybe you’re being a tiny touch ….. inappropriate.
Ok that made me chuckle a little bit.
When less than a quarter of Americans support a proposed policy, though, it’s pretty safe to call it fringe.
Besides, there have been lots of times in the last 8 years when I’ve thought fringe groups comprised the executive branch.
And you gotta admit…the use of the Peter Paul and Mary song to argue for more troops somewhere…pretty ballsy.
I shitsure can’t argue ’bout the last eight, but, right now, I’m gonna keep busting that support or the lack of it, is pretty fluid.
You probably know more than I about polls, but I kind of think that the next few months’ events in Afghanistan will be more determinative than anything else.
We’re about waistdeep, no? I say push on, but I’m big that way.
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/snd/waistdeep.html
Why aren’t the anti-war protestors setting up a camp outside Obama’s rental? Where is Cindy Sheehan? WTF? Have we forgotten???
So I told the Center for American Progress that we are committing war crimes in Afghanistan daily, and please take me off their list.
I support the call for more troops so long as the troops are members of the Bush family.
I haven’t seen conclusive proof that the attack and now war on/with/in Afghanistan has anything to do with 911.
And even if some Jihadists inside of Afghanistan supported that attack (unproven) they are apparently no longer there. So now why are we there?
Exactly who is the enemy that we are at war with?
This is so Kafkaesque that it boggles the mind. All we are doing is picking fights over there and antagonizing a disorganized group of peasants who have been fighting amongst themselves for hundreds of years. It’s not our fight, not our business and if we had humanitarian ideas, then send them seed, medicine, schools, build them roads and houses, and water and power systems. But do a war over there?
These people in the Pentagon and the White House are effin crazy. And they are killing our kids and blowing our money.
Cindy Sheehan is going to Martha’s Vineyard to protest Obama’s war.
She’s just not ‘news’.
And Korb is just running cover for the upcoming escalation.
Of course, it was a Dylan song; Peter, Paul, and Mary just covered it (very successfully).
Pete Seeger.
(It only seems like Dylan wrote every song)
The wars the U.S. have started will not end until the U.S. is decively defeated. And that doesn’t seem likely to happen anytime soon. (See The Causes of War by Geoffrey Blainey. He points out that the causes of peace are the same as the causes of war. The latter being waged by parties who think they can gain more by war than by negotiation. The former being waged when both sides think they can gain more by negotiation than by war, which usually happens when one side decisely loses. As it doesn’t seem a decisive U.S. victory is in the cards, the other alternative is a U.S. loss, or, most likely continued war. Thanks to the firedawg who recommended the book to me.)
Oh, and I used to think Korb was a solid citizen, but he is forever after now classified as a flake.
The reason for waring is we have a war machine and it needs to do something to prove its usefulness.
We have no territorial disputes. He have intimidated other nations by dropping 2 nukes and then bombing the eff out of SE Asia and now S Asia. There is no nation that wants to conquer the USA.
But most now want the USA to go away and mind their own business except the odd despot who stays in power with his how military to intimidate the people from kicking his ass out.
The whole patriotism and flag stuff is so cartoon like. It’s hard to take these people seriously, as they want to be. But the military people are completely batshit crazy the way the see the world.
There are no effin threats guys. Put away your battleships and bombers.
He tried to come off as the thinking man’s military planner/strategist. But as I said the military mindset is completely unable to see the world for what it is and what could be a better way to solve its problems.
Most of the boots are sadists or have this bizarre notion of service to country means killing brown skinned people.
“Part of me would hate to see Lieberman go,” Baldwin said in the statement, because there are so few moderate Republicans left in the Senate today.”
I more and more convinced that Obama has either been a fraud from the get go, or more likely he was read into the program (or else… remember JFK and his brother??). He talks out of the side of his mouth and is clearly not who people thought he was. I want to think he is powerless and not wrong headed, that someone else is calling the shots and what we see is a kabuki and show.
The is no rational behavior coming from the WH or the beltway. These guys are dumb or bought Or both.
There is no fact base rational debate about ANY issue facing this country.
The power elite always comes up all aces every hand.
Besides the MIC, every U.S. base in the world requires a base commander. (Raven, you can supply what rank that is.) If the military gives up a base, the commander loses his command, and no one in the military wants that to happen.
Lieberman is a perfect example of a shill who is a capitalist zionist ideologue. What the F was Al Gore thinking? I’ll bet he feels like an jerk for that one. That man is beyond despicable.
This is the ultimate bureaucracy that won’t see it’s mission ended and put itself out of business so the resources it consumes can be used for solving real problems.
They should closes West Point, Annapolis, and the AF acadamy and stop poisoning good minds.
I’m reading a very good history of the Ottoman Empire. The U.S. did not invent the military and the MIC. It has been alive & well as long as history has been written. Especially so for expanding empires. You’re dreaming if you think you can resist it.
There’s plenty of US military bases around the world. We’re not going to keep some of them open to supply berths for a few commanders.
Center for American Progress employing Lawrence Korb proves that politics makes strange bedfellows.
Lawrence Korb – 1981-1985 Asst SecDef under Reagan responsible for administering 70% of defense budget
– Director of Defense Studies AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE
– Vice President of Corporate Operations RAYTHEON
– Dean Graduate School of Public and International Studies University of Pittsburgh (Mellon Scaife?)
– Council of Foreign Relations, director of Center for Public Policy Education and senior fellow on
Foreign Policy Studies Program Brookings Institute.
Is it any wonder he conflates the “war on terror” with Obama’s expansion of the illegal war in Afghanistan and Pakistan? What’s his excuse for military operations in Colombia? Reagan’s belief that there’s going to be a surge of refugees heading north if democratically elected governments in Latin America turn out to be run by, God forbid!! Socialists?
The entire Washington power culture is rife with pimps and whores. The roles are interchangeable depending on who is in power and who is willing to pay the most money.
CAP should be made to answer for this guy having a desk.
BTW, Korb retired from the Naval Reserve with the rank of Captain which is the equivalent of a colonel in the Marine Corps, Army, or Air Force.
Wanna bet?
I’m with you, eCAHN.
I like Bollinger’s.
Not the side I’d like to be on, but it’s the winning side.
How bout the whining side?
If she takes the bet and if you like Bollinger’s, join me on the wining side.
Craft the bet. And in the interim hold out your plate for a piece of the best peach pie evah.
There have been more than 100 base closings in the last twenty years. At the same time, the Army has gone from 18 down to just over 10 divisions. When you drop all those divisions, you don’t need to keep as many commanders, do you?
(Anybody passing out pie shouldn’t have to pop for wine also.)
American imperial aggression rolls on in the 21st century: over one million Iraqi citizens served into early graves by the criminal Bush invasion and occupation of that sad country. And now Obama is keeping American war crimes going in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq. Heck of a job, Mr. President.
Bingo.
Pete Seeger wrote and recorded “Where have all the flowers gone?” PP&M and the Kingston Trio also recorded it. I think that another Seeger line applies here as well considering that we are not getting the change we need: “Waist deep in the big muddy and the big fool says to push on.”
see -13 and -6
Great work! I was in such a hurry to make sure I got my comment in that I skipped over links. You have my admiration for your insight.
thnx for the bio of larry “warmonger” korb.