I want to echo something Matthew Yglesias picks up that I’ve suspected was true. It makes economic sense to allow immigrants, legal or otherwise, to buy insurance on the proposed insurance exchange, because it will likely lower the average costs for everyone.
The mindless Joe Wilsons on the right have managed not only to lie about what the bills say but to misrepresent the issue as whether tax payers should pay for free medical coverage for illegals. But they’ve got it backwards, again.
While the House health reform bill would prevent those who aren’t citizens or lawful residents from obtaining benefits under the bill, that provision was designed to limit who gets federal subsidies on the insurance exchange that would be created. But it makes no sense to limit these people from voluntarily purchasing insurance on the exchange.
Under the reform bills, mandates would require most businesses to provide (or pay) and most indviduals to purchase insurance. The mandate exists to prevent free riders and to help create a very large pool of insured people, to help drive down the average cost of coverage. If more people with low risks of imposing health care costs sign up, then the average goes down and everyone in the pool saves money.
That seems to be what would happen here. Yglesias quotes the relevant analysis from this Newsweek article:
Consider a few statistics. According to a July article in the American Journal of Public Health, immigrants typically arrive in America during their prime working years and tend to be younger and healthier than the rest of the U.S. population. As a result, health-care expenditures for the average immigrant are 55 percent lower than for a native-born American citizen with similar characteristics. With the ratio of seniors to workers projected to increase by 67 percent between 2010 and 2030, it stands to reason that including the relatively healthy, relatively employable and largely uninsured illegal population in some sort of universal health-care system would be a boon rather than a burden. “Insurance in principle has to cover the average medical cost of all the people it’s serving,” explains Leighton Ku, a professor of health policy at George Washington University. “So if you add cheaper people to the pool, like immigrants, you reduce the average cost.” More undocumented workers, in other words, means lower premiums for everyone.
It’s also possible that some of these folks would be higher-than-average risks and thus increase the average, so I’m not certain how this comes out in the aggregate. But it would also be true that since these high-risk folks are more likely to get sick, and thus require more emergency treatment that would otherwise be provided free, that it makes sense to allow them to purchase insurance on the exchange.
Even from the conservatives’ point of view, that means the illegals they villify would be helping pay for their own care rather than relying on the free emergency care paid by tax payers. But once again, mindless reactions by the Joe Wilsons of the world won’t let them support something that’s entirely consistent with ideas they claim to support.
This seems a case where good ethics and good policy are also good economics, but I’d like to hear from health economists on whether this is right.
Update: Apparently the White House can’t support either good policy or good economics.
More:
From Think Progress’ Wonk Room, on why verification procedures aren’t always cost effective.
dday, Owning It — much more on the economic nonsense of excluding immigrants.
Ezra Klein expands the argument





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Thank you for this sensibility. Dems get so utterly “reactive” to hysteria that they jettison their own presumed principles. And your take is pragmatic. I was just thinking one more time about the war on empathy re Wilson and the immigration issue. Nice to have the pragmatic along with the altruistic. (does anyone know what that word means any more????)
Unfortunately the right wingers don’t care about taking care of the poor, only their own pockets, so this approach (emphasizing that it makes sense from a cost standpoint) makes perfect sense.
Those democrats…what an INSULT to the great state of South Cacklack…
Where we have a governor whom God has told to stay the course (with his wandering dick, and thank you, Steve Gilliard!) and where we started a bloody, catastrophic, civil war to protect the right of states to perpetuate the ownership of one human being by another.
This slur on Joe Wilson (and the homeplace of John C. Calhoun!!!) mustn’t go unanswered; we need to go out again. Maybe we’ll have better luck this time.
My favorite part of the debate was early on. After Boehner (IIRC) finished speaking and saying “why are we bothering with this?”, the chair banged the gavel and warned the gallery that no outbursts would be tolerated as they are a violation of the House Rules.
Irony, much?
I also read somewhere that he voted for a provision in Medicare Part D that allowed for a large sum of money for “undocumented immigrants”. If I remember right it was $250 million…can’t seem to find where the link to that was now…
A Republican said something stupid, hateful and wrongheaded. Naturally, it’s all Washington can talk about.
When will we learn that being responsible, respectful, conscientious and even-handed gets us nothing but a sneer from the Serious People?
The powers that be respect the ability to change the cultural dynamic. They don’t care how it gets done. Bill Maher had it right — Republicans may be crazy and completely wrong, but they know how to control the idiot corporate news cycle.
Go, Empire State Dems.
Arcuri, Hinchey, Maffei and Massa vote “nay”.
WTF?
Who pulls Joe Wilson’s strings?
You think the struggle is Repub vs. Dem?
It isn’t.
It’s you vs. those who want to exploit you and keep you dumb.
Hispanics live longer than Whites even though we tend not to have healthcare also we tend to be the biggest immigrant population if we get healthcare then instead of going to the emergency room for a heart attack we get treated before we have heart attacks.
Emergency room treatment is more expensive its cheaper to catch these things early.
Did you all hear Joe Wilson’s reason as to why he is not a racist? This is priceless.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2903
in addition to lying and being stupid, he’s endorsing confederate flags on ebay:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/…..flags.html
Was he yelling “you lie!!” over the voice vote?
I said, I say I said I was sayin’ “come the fourth of Ju-LIE!…”
the great state of south carolina has the shag as its official dance, deemed so by an ordinance by a guy simply named “bubber”. it is also known for its “shag clubs”. can’t make this shit up.
http://www.thedancestoreonline…..uction.htm
it’s also called the palmetto (cockroach) state and has 11 of the 25 worst public schools in the country.
http://thevoiceforschoolchoice…..c-schools/
At the risk of being un-PC, I once read that in the South, whites don’t mind how close blacks live to them, as long as they don’t get too high. In the north, whites don’t mind how high blacks rise, as long as they don’t get too close. Thoughts?
What do you make of the state motto: While I breathe, I hope.
There it is right in the state motto…HOPE!
that’s the truncated version. it’s
The GOP has lost their Spine first it was Code words now its lame weasel excuses. These excuses the true racist wink at but they are disappointed by. These excuses the GOP’s *cough* intellectuals buy no matter how lame they are because they want to believe.
Since when have good ethics and good policy ever been good politics?
The assumption of the anti-immigrant folks is if they deny all these wonderful government benefits that immigrants will stop entering the country illegally. And the Buchanans and Dobbs media feed this illusion because they don’t want to do what would slow down illegal immigration–crack down on employers who are importing people illegally.
Wilson apologizes in private, but not in public. truly the most weasly move. Can’t have the folks back home seeing him grovel and such. real men don’t apologize…right george?
well, yeah!
In other news, I love the irony of reading about “medical tourists” retiring in Mexico and Mexican officials saying that if this continues, it’s (and I quote) “unsustainable”.
We do not have any policy with regards to the border.
lol. that’s funny…we should run a contest.
Joe do you realize that the most loyal voter block for Jon McCain was older White Male voters? Without National Healthcare how many more White Male voters will die before they get old enough for Medicare?
The GOP has Pollsters these Pollsters watch Demographic trends Asians and Hispanics tend to be Democratic Voters and they live longer.
Anything that helps White Males live longer helps the GOP.
Your right a video of that would hurt him with the 20%ers.
Got a link this seems very interesting:)
reply to dosido @ 21
this is the redneck version on dialectizer:
http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
When was the last time ANYone saw the price of healthcare premiums come down?
And does ANYone think the insurance companies are going to LOWER their costs of premiums one iota?
No, the increased revenues are PROFITS!
I’d bet my last kidney increasing revenues for the insurance companies is not going to lower ANY one’s premiums.
Any takers? *G*
Ugh. i’m looking for it…i’ll get ‘em and bring ‘em back to ya! :)
Thanks I’ll be upstairs:)
This will have to take the place of ‘Some of my best friends are ____’ as a defense for racist tendencies. So what if Michelle’s family used to live in the same county way back when. It has nothing to do with his lack of respect and breaking the decorum of the House when her husband is speaking.
i still think Joe Wilson is fighting the wrong fight
In 1986, President Reagan signed the “Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) which “ensures public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. …If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.” that includes people who are here illegally. link
It was a good thing to do because no one wants to see someone who is in need of help go without.
But the problem with EMTALA is that was not funded. So public hospitals are required to help even if the patient couldn’t pay. Most, if not all, costs are passed on to the insured patients – raising our premiums; and Insurance companies looking for profits, deny care.
(at least California tries — with cross-boarder insurance plans)
make Wilson repeal St Ronnie’s EMTALA or fund it.
i live here in SC; many are deluded by the g-d FUX News people. i hope Rob Miller beats his a$$ good. donate to Rob’s campaign, if you are able.
much appreciated!
And if you have a few spare dollars, Jane Dyer is running for the 3rd house district: a USAF vet, a union member (pilot’s), for fair trade, for EFCA, for a strong public school system, and (this is a biggie for me) FOR separation of church and state.
It would also make economic and social sense to fund abortions for poor women who can’t afford private plans. These objections to common sense solutions are so entrenched that Congress doesn’t even try any more. They have give up on reason.