One of the promised benefits of the health reform bills Congress is considering is that the insurance industry would come under national regulations that prevented them denying you insurance because of age or a prior health condition. There would be "guaranteed issue," in industry parlance.
President Obama has emphasized this reform, repeatedly promising the American people that if they lost their jobs and their insurance, or wanted to start a new business and needed insurance, that they would be able to buy affordable insurance on the exchange, and the insurers wouldn’t be able to exclude you because of age or prior health conditions. This seems a core principle behind the reform efforts.
But the Max Baucus bill gives us a strong clue on one way the insurance industry might evade this critical regulation. On page 2 of the bill [pdf], under the discussion of Rating Rules in the Individual Market, we find this interesting exception (emphasis mine):
Issuers in the individual market would be required to offer coverage on a guaranteed issue basis. Under guaranteed issue, if a plan has a capacity limit and the Secretary determines that the number of individuals who elect that plan would exceed the limit, the issuer would be allowed to limit the number of enrollees according to specified rules. Also, issuers would be required to offer coverage on a guaranteed renewability basis, and rate those policies on the same factors used when initially issuing such policies. Issuers would be prohibited from excluding coverage for pre-existing health conditions and from rescinding health coverage.
What this says is that an insurance company offering insurance plans in the new exchange could set limits on how many enrollees it would accept, and federal regulators would accept those limits. So how would the insurance companies behave under this provision, given their continuing incentive to limit "medical losses"?
– Would the insurers participating in the exchange focus their advertising on those with the lowest health risks, such as younger people, or people whose profiles suggested they were less likely to come with pre-existing conditions?
– Would individual insurers use their flexibility in setting ratio’s for premiums to discourage high risk, especially older enrollees from signing up with them?
– Would the insurers adjust the "limits" of how many people they would accept based on the risk profiles of the communities they were advertising in?
– When confronted with applications from higher-risk potential customers, would they adopt procedures to slow down their acceptance process for these customers, compared to other customers with lower risks, to increase the chances their "limit" would be met by lower risk customers?
– When each private plan filled up to its "limit," where would the uncovered people go? Wouldn’t they be pushed towards higher cost plans, thus resulting, over time, in different premiums depending on prior health conditions and risks?
– If the regulator sought to discourage the above behavior through a risk-sharing mechanism (included in [all] bills) that moves revenues from plans with low risk people to plans with higher-risk people, won’t that mean that the cost-sharing rules will be subjected to enormous political pressure to favor the strongest dominant insurers, who, after all, are likely to be those who engage in the discriminatory practices?
– Wouldn’t the number of private competitors in the exchange be severely limited by market concentration and the inability of new entrants to line up provider networks to make them competitive (see Hacker video from yesterday’s House hearing)?
– Aren’t these all strong reason why, if we’re stuck with this framework, customers need the choice of a nation-wide public option that can access the Medicare provider network — as a backstop against these entirely predictable practices of the insurance industry?
The media and Congress should be pounding Max Baucus, and Congress generally, as well as the White House, with questions like these.





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Makes me wonder if this sort of thing is why it’s taken so long to get a bill out of Baucus. It took a lot of brainpower to figure out this apparent dodge.
The Baucus bill is so bad, it makes the Senate HELP bill and HR 3200 look positively desirable.
Perhaps that was the plan.
Thanks Scarecrow. This goes for all regulations, really. Regulations are obstacles to be overcome by business in this country. Without a public option to keep the honest, nothing will be followed.
Does this perhaps have anything to do with required loss reserves that insurance companies are required to have?
Thanks Scarecrow, you have your finger on it already.
Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Baucus…
Of course, all these regulations can and will be changed when there is a GOP Congress and a GOP president sometime in the future. We must have systemic, not regulatory, change: Public Option is the answer.
MaxTax: DOA
Baucus sounded like he thought it was DOA.
“according to specified rules.”—and,of course, the ‘rules’ aren’t specified in the bill.
Max Baucus got punked by Grassley et al.
Ah, Scarecrow! You’ve answered something I’ve been wondering: how the insurance companies get out of losing so many people to opting out.
You can opt out of the mandate if the second cheapest insurance available to you costs 10% of your adjusted Gross Income.
But if they can limit how many people enroll in that second cheapest insurance (and the cheapest), then they can ensure that you’re stuck with a mandate even if you can’t actually GET that insurance.
Smart fuckers. They really did write this bill, didn’t they?
The public option’s ability to to lower costs is pending on it’s availability to the public . As I understand it would likely only be available those who couldn’t afford insurance otherwise .
Kill this bill and start over !!!
The best thing that can now come out of this vote would be for the progressive caucus to offer a wake up call to the democratic party and flex some political muscle !
In other countries with more than 2 parties there emerges the idea of power sharing . It’s how the Greens became a force for instance in German politics .
The progressives could easily carve out a place within the democratic party on this bill and begin a similar arrangement with the centrist democrats . It would also go a long way toward increasing the threat to entrenched corporate interests of a viable third party in the future .
From Dennis Kucinich:
Roy Rogers’ Horse Saves Health Care
While the political process in Washington suffers through its grotesque pantomime on health care, let us prepare our neighborhoods, our communities, our states for the eventual triumph of single payer health care.
Download, print and circulate the petition among friends and neighbors.
Dear Friends,
The Senate cannot pass a health care bill with a public option. The House cannot pass a bill without one. The public wants a public option. The insurance industry wants a private mandate. The White House is in trouble on this and is calling upon the Senate to find a way out of this dark passage.
So, Boys and Girls, return with us now as the Senators will take a page from out of the old West. They are going to do what cowboy hero Roy Rogers did when he got in a jam: Call for Trigger, the Golden Palomino. Trigger, the trusty steed who rode to glory against those phantom cattle rustlers who sold insurance against physical harm, provided however that the small town marks bought the stolen beef.
In this scene Trigger will come off his mount of glory at the Roy Rogers and Dale Evans Museum in Branson, Missouri and gallop to the mount of glory on Capitol Hill, rear up a dazzling 24ft, and by his sheer electrifying presence rescue the US Senate and the Administration from today’s rustlers.
It is Washington, DC, so they promptly slap on a confused Trigger a corporate blanket with corporate logos from insurance companies: Pre-Existing Trigger. Lower Cost Trigger. Patient Access Trigger. The Senators will jump on this horse and ride straight for the sunset. Giddy-up Trigger, past that broken down Public Option dray horse. Gallop into the conference committee with full force. Charge!
I am carried away by prospect of rescue by the one horse I can believe in. Sadly, Trigger will never save us from the rustlers. He’ll just stand there, mounted, in all of his spectacular equine power ever poised to spring into action, ever ready to hustle out the rustlers, or something like that.
Thank you.
Dennis
There is a more straightforward way in the Baucus bill that the insurance industry will evade the regulators. It places regulation enforcement in the hands of state insurance commissioners through a model regulation drafted by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. So regulation is state-by-state and full regulation depends on these model regulations being in place.
But, the bill provides two ways for the insurance industry to sell across state lines. Either through state regulation or through a compact of states with reciprocal rules.
Guaranteed issue eh?
This is a guarantee to issue to the low-risk groups. In other words, it’s like the auld Herman’s Hermits tune, Henry the Eighth: Second verse, same as the first.
This kind of crap is exactly the reason that for-profit entities in health care are immoral. As long as there are fiduciary obligations to investors, there is an inherent conflict of interest between the insurer and the insured.
What’s more, guaranteed-issue-to-the-healthy goes against the whole idea of shared risk. Scrap the crap, Single Payer NOW!
They will ignore it??? So fine them until it hurts when they don’t comply.
Max Baucus is quickly sinking into Orly Taitz territory.
You only have to say his name and people start laughing.
He punked himself.
I’m 60. Using the ratio in this plan will mean that my insurance premium will be more than my paycheck. That definitely exceeds the 10%. It puts me in the opt out category. I don’t want to opt out; I want affordable insurance. This bill is garbage.
Everything in msm on this bill gives soundbites to the main points without going into the details. This bill is bad for everyone but it’s a nightmare for older people.
ubetchaiam
Thanx for the link . I believe the only way HR676 has any chance of passing is if the progressive caucus brings the status quo to a screeching halt .
This is more important than the passage of a bill on health care .It is the only weapon at hand in reigning in the corporate control of our democracy !
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step .
if I didn’t know better, this looks to me like a back door public option
if all the insurance companies reach their limit they no longer have to enroll anyone else, since the public is obligated to have insurance the government would have to cover them by default
obviously that’s not what max had in mind but it does look like those are the legal ramifications
although ianal so i wouldn’t really know
The way to enforce regulations is through regulatory enforcement. The public option should not be portrayed as a mechanism to achieve industry compliance on the cheap.
A public plan, if suitably “robust,” will exert price pressure on private insurers. The low premiums and favorable terms that the public plan achieves through administrative efficiency will, if all goes according to plan, incent private insurers to match those premiums and terms, at least on paper, while still attempting to maximize profits for their investors. They will therefore seek every possible way to preserve those profits through denial and minimization of benefit payouts–invoice by invoice, claim by claim.
That’s how they behave; it’s what they do, and get away with, despite being a supposedly highly regulated business sector already. That’s the lesson of the claims denial data recently publicized out of California.
The public plan will also supposedly set a benchmark for good behavior that the private insurers will be compelled to emulate. The problem is that consumers and businesses will not have perfect information on the private insurers’ behavior. Meanwhile, the insurers will feel added incentive to market themselves even more aggressively than now as upstanding and responsive; in that respect, the public option will incentivize them to be even less “honest” than before.
We know that current regulatory oversight is grievously inadequate. If private insurers are to remain in the game and be expected to behave better, we will need more regulatory oversight, and the presence of a public plan will not mitigate that need; arguably, it will exacerbate it. Additionally, the new employer and individual mandates will require even more oversight and enforcement of their own.
Advocates of bills like HR 3200 do no one any favors when they deploy market-tested catch phrases to create the impression that a public plan will in any way mitigate the costs of enforcement made necessary by insisting that profit-driven insurers remain in the game.
As others have noted, of some interest is the fact that Baucus has now been made aware that the republicans idea of compromise on health care is that the democrats (including but not limited to, Max Baucus…) should bring the vaseline, and the GOP will furnish the Loui$ville $lugger baseball bat.
It’s disheartening to see how many democrats think that they are morally obligated to (pun intended) hold up THEIR end in this deal-making.
My second worst nightmare is allowing my state – Texas – to regulate itself. Right now the Texas “public option” – the high risk pool which those of us who can’t get coverage elsewhere – costs close to $1000 per month per individual and covers about 65% of medical costs, due to how they jigger copays, deductibles, networks and all the other brilliant ways around paying for medical care. I don’t think anything would change under BaucusCare, except perhaps removing the $1 million life-time cap.
It’s the Restaurant Wine List principle: mark up the bottle that cost you the least as the second-cheapest on the winelist, because people don’t want to look like cheapskates.
Right. See this one.
I like “Scrap the Crap. . .” But it ought to be:
“Scrap the Crap. Medicare for All, NOW.”
I should have added;
I think that Obama should run a good, strong, bill up to the Hill, and if it gets voted down, then a week later, or a couple of days later, he should just run it up there again. Same content; same wording; and if it gets voted down, then do it again…and again…
We musn’t forget that the republicans have this little 8 year track record of “mission accomplished” at fucking up an anvil. How many times could they put on their tattered obstructionist hats before the voters would, once again, make them pay for it?
I think, not many.
This is a huge stick to beat them with, and the fact that the democrats don’t even seem to want to pick it up, is bizarre.
Same thing with Wilson’s outburst. It was left to Keith Olbermann to get off an excellent rant reminding everyone that for a GEORGE-BUSH-VOTING REPUBLICAN to accuse Barak Obama of lying is, as it ever was, the stuff of idiocy.
I’m not aware that one democrat pointed out this inconsistency the size of Mt. Everest. Not one. They should have been taking the floor of the House and Senate with flames coming out of their nostrils. Instead, they gave Wilson AND the repubs a little party-line fannypat, and “let’s move on.”
And when things like that happen, it makes me feel like a damn fool for defending them…and Obama.
Right. Bringing them up short is what the progressives need to do. They need to make it known that they will not tolerate any more corporate sell-outs.
Great comment, Ralph.
It’s the only way, then the insurance companies can wither on the vine. (and good riddance)
This doesn’t have to be complicated.
What happens when a corporate also owns the health care company where one works? GM could create their own health ins co. Walmart could create their own health ins co. NBC/GE could create their own health ins co. There could be drug makers/ins cos.
Wonder if we could talk Canada into allowing us to buy into their system screw the congress. we could start a drive to send a petition , three or four hundred thousand people would maybe be enough.
that’s an incredible idea, especially if their system is cost neutral, man I would love that
the health industry would get congress to pass bills against it of course and there would be another billo campaign against canada as well
man I like your thinking darclay
1) Speaking as a person facing a guaranteed-issue individual policy situation whenever my financially failing former employer eventually gets around to turning off its group policy (thus ending both my COBRA coverage and my Federal COBRA subsidy from the EcStim package), this is serious shit. Already I’m looking at $550/mo for guaranteed issue on a reasonable (not great) plan, a lot for an unemployed person. I do NOT want it to get significantly more expensive than that. I do NOT want to be denied any coverage at all just because all the intentionally too-small guaranteed-issue pools are already fully enrolled.
2) There may, perhaps, be some small hope in Obama’s drawing the line in the sand w/r/t pre-existing condition coverage. If sincere, that can only mean no limits on guaranteed-issue enrollments.
3) To beat the dead horse: From an underwriting perspective, the promise “no exclusion for pre-existing conditions” logically implies the solution must have the largest possible subscriber pool, so that the highest-risk individuals (regarded, rightly or wrongly, as the pre-existing condition subscribers) make up the smallest possible percentage of the pool. This is yet another way of stating the uber-obvious, that the only sensible design is necessarily in the general direction of Medicare For All. Not that anyone here didn’t already fully realize that many moons ago.
Leaping Loopholes Scarecrow!
Thanks for the great read on the bill.
Waitin’ for the day when they write these things in plain english and drop all the legalese (critterspeak).
Why is it an assumption that there must be a profit incentive in healthcare in this country? profiting off illness is illegal everywhere else in the world. This moral corruption was introduced by the immoral Richard Nixon. Why is this never addressed???
Before HR 3200, I never heard of a “capacity limitation”. A quick google search doesn’t show any such term in the area of health insurance. This is obviously a major loophole, drafted by the insurance lobby for the exact purpose scarecrow has identified.
Because a bunch of old fools think devotion to The American Way means what’s important is that the US is different from other countries, not so much that it has to actually be better than other countries?
I couldn’t agree more. Also, if he brought up a bill again and again, and it was defeated through the filibuster again and again, it wouldn’t be long before sentiment would develop to do something about the filibuster. That’s the key to real change. Get rid of the filibuster and things can begin to happen.
I know. But, Obama has made it complicated with his bipartisanship nonsense and his fondness for the market
Good catch.
We’ve caught so much of the industry’s hand in the language of the bill today and are able to project their horrible impact on our society. Now what do we do with what we know?
Don’t suppose anyone’s poked around in the document author metadata yet?
(Answering my own question:) The only metadata I can find in there is that the creator is “SAA”. Is there a well known lobbyist or staffer with those initials?
Alternatively I suppose it could be an acronym for a previous bill title — Sick America Act, anyone?
I’m not arguing against have a regulatory with sufficient resources to enforce the regulations. But it’s also true that if there is a generically different type of competitor driven by different incentives, and it’s open to everyone who is not happy with the alternatives, it can have an infuence compliance. The key is align the incentive to comply with the normal profit incentives, and if non-compliance leads to loss of market share, it helps. That’s the theory.
wrt to the legalese, this version of the Baucus proposal, called the Chairman’s “mark,” is as close to laymen’s terms as it gets. The final version will be drafted as actual legislation.
The US codes are a hopelessly complex matrix of references and cross references, as in “except as provided in subdivision (i) of section 3(a) of Title XII, and only with respect to those entities defined in section 4309, the following limits shall apply:”
Never mind. Looks like Sergeant At Arms (SAA) is an umbrella name that includes the office services in the Senate.
I almost entirely agree (it was Jason’s use of “keep them honest” that prompted my comment). I think a well-populated and -funded public plan, open as you say to everyone not happy with the alternatives, can influence compliance on the obvious, easily monitored things like premiums and deductibles.
But the day-to-day point-shaving, which few beneficiaries have the time or knowledge to challenge, much less alert the authorities (if they can even find them), is an enormous profit center that the existence of a public plan alone won’t eliminate; that would take a muscular and costly enforcement infrastructure.
Just the knowledge that the public plan is not systemically gamed to screw people could prompt the “rush to the exits” desired by people like us and feared by people like Baucus and Ignani. But that would require a public option more in line with Howard Dean’s promises than HR 3200’s provisions.
Late to this thread but.
I love the idea of the public option and I am for it(actually more for single payer). How do we keep the insurance companies from gaming the system and dumping all the sick folks on the public option? I am worried that combining mandates with the public option will allow them to game the system. What do you guys think?
I am still for it either way.
Well written laws/rules preventing such an eventuality should be sufficient.
Leaping Loopholes! Now that’s an expression everyone can appreciate.
Hmmm, That’s only corrupt American. Old style American was “do what works.” Who cares where it comes from?
Yes, well, as I said, it’s fools who think that way.
The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.
mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,
lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,
conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K
were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.
12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)
More than 22K Americans between the ages 24-64 die each year because they don’t have adequate health insurance coverage. (Source: Chu, M.C. & J. Rhoades, The Uninsured in America, 96′-07′)
Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “red herring” and is easily disproved. I know repubs love to quote the CBO well here’s a quote, ” A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded.”
Citizens for Tax Justice pointed this out. The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period. This includes the revenue loss of $2.11 trillion that results directly from the Bush tax cuts as well as the $379 billion in additional interest payments on the national debt that we must make since the tax cuts were deficit-financed. Over the upcoming decade (2010-2019), the costs of the health care proposals approved by three committees in the U.S. House of Representatives are projected to be around $1 trillion and deficit neutral(that means they’re paid for). In 2010, when all the Bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers. The Bush tax cuts were deficit-financed, which increased the national debt and resulted in greater interest payments on that debt. cheney/bush administration never even tried to pay for their tax-cuts. So, for the price of cheney/bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthiest 5%, we could have had Health Care for every American. Instead Americans got bupkus and cheney/bush’s republican golf buddies got filthy rich off of the Blood Money from No-Bid, Cost-Plus Federal Contracts.
Follow the Money: Link
Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!
Sign Single-Payer Petition: Link
Don’t let the Medical Industrial Complex steal your Health Care from you and your family by donating huge sums of money to Crooked Politicians in order to maintain the Status Quo. Keep up the good fight.
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