Maine Senator Olympia Snowe said on Sunday that the Baucus bill wouldn’t contain a trigger for a public option — because it would include co-ops instead. But the trigger isn’t dead.
Snowe’s public option trigger idea will be back, because they’ll need her vote but the changes she wants in the Baucus reform bill will tend to push her towards affordability features in the Senate HELP and House bills. Those bills — and their supporters — provide more generous subsidies, but they also insist a mandate with an exchange isn’t acceptable unless those required to purchase insurance on the exchange(s) also have the choice of a public health insurance option.
To her credit, Snowe is concerned about affordability, and much of her unwillingness to sign on to Baucus’ plan stems from her desire to provide larger subsidies to more low- to moderate- income persons who don’t currently have or can’t afford insurance. She likely understands that concern will only grow over time, as insurance premiums rise and more and more businesses raise employee costs or drop insurance completely.
It’s obvious we’re moving inexorably away from employer-based insurance, which means more people will be pushed into the individual markets and need subsidies in the exchange(s) and better choices. What will they find there?
At least 55 to 75 percent of Americans (and their doctors) can see what’s coming and support having the choice of a public option from day one. Those numbers are only likely to grow as people are forced to accept larger co-pays or less coverage or are pushed out of employer-based coverage and into the individual markets.
Unlike many in her party, Snowe is smart enough to see this coming. She knows we’ll need a different model and we’d better start building it now and improving the choices consumers will face.
She’s has never publicly defined how a "trigger" would work, but it presumably would have something to do with how well the private plans offered in the exchange brought costs under control and complied with the new regulations outlawing the insurers’ denial and exclusionary practices. As I noted in this post, there’s every reason to expect insurers to evade the regulations, so what about cost control?
It so happens that Massachusetts has been running an insurance exchange without a public option since 2007. Like the Congressional proposals, the Massachusetts plan imposes, with some exceptions, a mandate on businesses to offer (or pay) and individuals to purchase health insurance. If you don’t get insurance at work, or are self-employed or work for a small business, you can satisfy that mandate by purchasing insurance on a state-wide exchange, a web-site really, called the Connector.
So after three years, how is Massachusetts doing with the mandate/exchange framework Congress is considering? From today’s Boston Globe:
The state’s major health insurers plan to raise premiums by about 10 percent next year, prompting many employers to reduce benefits and shift additional costs to workers.
Increases will range from 7 to 12 percent, capping a decade of consecutive double-digit premium increases, according to a Globe survey of the state’s top health insurers. Actual rates for 2010 will depend on the size of the employer and the type of coverage, with small businesses and individuals expected to be hit hardest. Overall, premiums are more than twice as high as they were 10 years ago.
The higher insurance costs undermine a key tenet of the state’s landmark health care law passed two years ago, as well as President Obama’s effort to overhaul health care. In addition to mandating insurance for most residents, the Massachusetts bill sought to rein in health care costs. With Washington looking to the Massachusetts experience, fears about higher costs have become a stumbling block to passing a national health care bill. . . .
Insurers predicted many employers, perhaps a majority, will seek to trim costs by instituting “cost sharing," which boosts co-payments for doctor visits, or by offering less comprehensive coverage. That means the effective premium rate increases could fall more on employees than their companies.
Massachusetts has shown it can get most folks covered by some insurance by imposing a mandate with penalties — the State only has about 2.6 percent uninsured (not counting undocumented) — but it hasn’t shown we can sustain quality coverage at affordable prices. Masachusetts still has the highest premiums in the nation, and they’re going up again next year.
“Health insurance is increasingly unaffordable for average working people and for employers, especially small employers," said Drew Altman, president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit research group in Menlo Park, Calif. “It underscores the need to reach a consensus on how to reform health care and provide some help for low- and moderate-income people who can’t pay their insurance bills."
And the large cost increases are coming from all the major insurers: BlueCross/BlueShield, which covers 2.5 million, Harvard Vanguard, which has 1.07 milion, and Tufts, which covers 700,000 — they’re all going up about the same rate.
Massachusett’s experience should be enough to answer Sen. Snowe’s notion that we need to see what happens before trigging a public option. We’ve seen the future, and it doesn’t work. Just having an exchange in which the existing private insurers compete doesn’t seem to create more price competition or produce significant downward pressure on insurance premiums on provider costs.
We can’t be certain that a public option would reverse these trends, so it would make sense to begin testing the idea in regional markets, beginning next year. The last CBO assessment (response to Mike Enzi) concluded a public option would lower costs and put downward pressure on insurance premiums, but it wasn’t certain how much. In contrast, the CBO’s assessment of the co-ops (see Marcy, h/t Ezra Klein) in Baucus plan found them to be too weak to be effective, exactly what co-op critics like Jay Rockefeller have been saying.
Given her concerns, Snowe must now see that it makes sense to have a public option built on Medicare (think Medicare II) that could serve as a model for cost control and help alleviate her affordability and open access concerns. Rather than wait for a national trigger to prove what Massachusetts has already shown, the public option would provide a readily availble, fully operating backstop if, as looks more and more likely, the current private insurance system can’t do the job.
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Donkeylicious provides a handy chart comparing Massacussetts with variations of the Baucus bill, but the numbers are being recalculated, so check back.





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“they’re all going up about the same rate.” Yup, for one thing, all the talk about “exchanges” ignores the fact that insurers collude.
Once something that has been put into the health care bill to cater to Republicans, and then has been rejected by those Republicans, can that something then be removed from the bill? It seems that whatever bill is being crushed by failed gambits. If the gambit is unpopular to both sides, remove it.
Actually, the MA example shows why we need to transition to improved, enhanced Medicare for All. There just isn’t many ways to skin this cat. If the PO were open to all takers day one, then most employers would essentially stop providing health care, and the fee to companies would not be enough to keep up with demand for public insurance. If we do this via exchange, there leaves room for all sorts of unintended consequences, like a PO that is heavy on the sick and thus still largely unaffordable, and legislatively already handicapped. The problem is if we leave health care generally in the hands of private insurers, they will keep pushing prices up, including for the feds. Why waste time, money, energy, and human life to avoid the inevitable?
You will obviously never be elected to the US Senate. That makes too much sense.
It is hard to see how Snowe a charter member of the Gang of Six comes out a good guy in all this.
Always leave an open door, if you want someone to step through it.
From Dennis Kucinich:
Roy Rogers’ Horse Saves Health Care
While the political process in Washington suffers through its grotesque pantomime on health care, let us prepare our neighborhoods, our communities, our states for the eventual triumph of single payer health care.
Download, print and circulate the petition among friends and neighbors.
Dear Friends,
The Senate cannot pass a health care bill with a public option. The House cannot pass a bill without one. The public wants a public option. The insurance industry wants a private mandate. The White House is in trouble on this and is calling upon the Senate to find a way out of this dark passage.
So, Boys and Girls, return with us now as the Senators will take a page from out of the old West. They are going to do what cowboy hero Roy Rogers did when he got in a jam: Call for Trigger, the Golden Palomino. Trigger, the trusty steed who rode to glory against those phantom cattle rustlers who sold insurance against physical harm, provided however that the small town marks bought the stolen beef.
In this scene Trigger will come off his mount of glory at the Roy Rogers and Dale Evans Museum in Branson, Missouri and gallop to the mount of glory on Capitol Hill, rear up a dazzling 24ft, and by his sheer electrifying presence rescue the US Senate and the Administration from today’s rustlers.
It is Washington, DC, so they promptly slap on a confused Trigger a corporate blanket with corporate logos from insurance companies: Pre-Existing Trigger. Lower Cost Trigger. Patient Access Trigger. The Senators will jump on this horse and ride straight for the sunset. Giddy-up Trigger, past that broken down Public Option dray horse. Gallop into the conference committee with full force. Charge!
I am carried away by prospect of rescue by the one horse I can believe in. Sadly, Trigger will never save us from the rustlers. He’ll just stand there, mounted, in all of his spectacular equine power ever poised to spring into action, ever ready to hustle out the rustlers, or something like that.
Thank you.
Dennis
Hello, Dennis! Hiya, Trigger!
i seconded the motion.
Kucinich voted no on the slap to Joe Wilson, whatup wit dat?
He probably wanted something stronger, like a full-fledged censure.
Yeah, that was weird.
The first time I heard Snowe mention the trigger was on one of the Sunday morning shows in August. She causally mentioned a time frame of “five or ten years” for the private market to “get it’s act together.” I think it was telling.
Bribery works!
So the trigger is supposed to be activated if “insurance companies” fail to bring down costs and/or abide by new rules, right?
Well… what if some insurance companies do the right thing, and others continue their old ways? The more conscientious company gets ‘punished’ along with the others?
Don’t get me wrong, I wish the insurance companies would all collapse tomorrow. I won’t shed a tear for any of them if they come to a bad end.
But the trigger seems unworkable, besides being a bad idea on its face. It seems like we’d end up seeing some variation of the Prisoner’s Dilemma…
Or if you wish to get robbed, again.
OT and back to read.
Mary of Peter, Paul and Mary has died.
Damn, she was one of my favorites. Brought me Dylan before I knew who he was.
I give Olympia Snowe credit as she is very popular in Maine but I moved from Maine to Florida and I still believe we need the public option. Government is paid to help it’s citizens not insurance companies.
“Maine Senator Olympia Snowe said on Sunday that the Baucus bill wouldn’t contain a trigger for a public option — because it would include co-ops instead. But the trigger isn’t dead.”
Exactly. And medical supply companies collude. And medical equipment companies collude. And the means of collusion is primarily by silent understandings that they will not tread on another’s turf.
Yep. That’s what committee markup is about. Amending the bill to put stuff in and take stuff out. And the Senate Finance Committee’s markup (if it is streamed) will be a popcorn-munching marvel. The scene that sets up the climax of the Kabuki. And a lot of it will be in the power of 12 of the 13 Democrats, because we know how the Republicans will vote–together.
“can get most folks covered by some insurance “Thanks scarecrow for taking the time to get the cost details into the post, some numbers. But why arent you discussing the QUALITY of coverage?? the ONLY reason that “insurance” exists is to provide acces to health CARE.. So what kind of CARE are the “low and moderate income” consumers in Mass., forced to buy into the program…actually getting for their dearly bought insurance policies? coverage and cost mean nothing if there is no way to quantify the quality of CARE these folks are recieving.
Thanks, Tarheel. I don’t see them taking out the noxious parts, like the Mass. mandates. The mandates here have been a bonanza to the insurance co.s and have practically bankrupted the state subsidizing the poor.
PPM In the Early Morning Rain
My brain is almost dead on this topic. Here you are with sense and clarity and light. O My….how refreshing is that?
Find out if it’s being streamed. The let Sen. Kerry (who is on the committee) your views and that you intend to watch the streamed session. And if you do watch it and see something that you want him to support or oppose, call his staff and ask them to pass your message to him. You have to be specific about the point that concerns you. (Lobbyists can get messages passed, why not citizens?) Finally, after it’s over thank him for the things he got right–some specific ones.
We’re going to have to learn how to do this sort of stuff effectively. Because healthcare is the light lifting. There is climate change (fossil fuel industry), financial industry regulation (financial industry), and Employee Free Choice Act (every employer, National Association of Manufacturers, US Chamber of Commerce) to deal with next (hopefully in that order).
Bingo!
They will get together over a conference call and say, well we have the mandate we wanted and in return for the Federal Gov forcing people to buy some sort of insurance, they’ll set the rate and whatever it is YOU HAVE TO PAY or get fined via your pay check (Max’s version).
The Mass Health Care Exchange has almsot total coverage (Mandate) however it doesn’t control cost (thanks Mitt!) so the rates will go up again!
Public Option isn’t strong enough, word of Max’s bill increased the value of Health Care Stocks. Any word of Health Care reform being sunk drives up stock value!
Its time for these folks to find another market to exploit, maybe Automotive Insurance or Extended Auto Repair Coverage but please let’s make it illegal for them to offer For Profit health care insurance.
HR676!
Or a Heavily Modified HR3200 (The Compromise, with the allowance for State Run Single Payer!)
The Baucus bill is an insurance and republic party wet dream. I am REALLY worried about what is going to be forced upon us.
the Insurance Company Windfall Profit Guarantee Act of 2009.
This is what I read:
Kucinich said that Wilson’s outburst was inappropriate but that sanctioning him after Obama accepted his apology only aggravated partisan polarization. Time spent debating sanctions against Wilson would have been better spent discussing ways to provide affordable health care to all Americans, said Kucinich.
“He apologized publicly to the president,” Kucinich said. “The president accepted his apology. That should have been the end of it.”
Is it really possible that Olympia Snowe would buck the GOP leadership and actually contribute something useful to the bill? If so, she cancels out Kent Conrad. But the GOP party discipline has been very strong. How could Mitch McConnell punish Olympia Snowe for freelancing on the public option?
Ding
In a word no. The plan for republics is to kill the bill. Defeat the president. I don’t know why the spineless, clueless, idiot dems are going to let them. And Obama what the hell?
Wendell Potter sez that the insurance corps didn’t write the bill because they would have been embarrassed to be so greedy.
Obama has a secret plan that goes into effect when his approval ratings reach 20%.
I don’t know about Dennis, but Barney Franks said it was a waste of time and there were more pressing issues.
Had there been a full CENSURE, I’d bet Barney and Dennis both would have invested time to do so.
But given what happened the action is pretty meaningless cept for the MSM and the rightwing tards still sellin ad dollars.
I can easily see voting against what went down, it was ALMOST meaningless. And it petered out faster than an expended man’s bladder. It ended up being a waste of time because it had no teeth, like censure, would have had.
I’m not Dennis, but I think the above is a valid speculation about it all.
Of course, if you told a CEO he could save his company 1.5 million dollars a year in health care cost, he would ask how?
After he giggled, sure he would.
If you said “Single Payer Health Care” he would most likely agree if he wasn’t some shill for the Republicans or Libertarians.
He wouldn’t use his CEO platform to say “We need HR676″. there’s a silence among larger businesses that they won’t rail against another market. For fear if say a law doesn’t pass, the insurance companies will seek revenge and jack up company rates even higher than normal.
Isn’t that Blackmail of some sort?
How come Congress doesn’t already know what’s going to happen if they make a Public Option available with no triggers, no delays that almost everybody but Union workers would move as fast as they could into the CHEAP Government Program?
Effectively making the Public Option, Single Payer? Like we’ve all been saying, why not “Go All The Way” it will happen sooner rather than later.
I said my piece about Mary below, but yeah, she was the big voice, and the barometer.
Missin her dearly, already.
Obama pawns gambit, squared.
BacuasBill is the same. Steal from the poor, give to the rich.
We MUST emphasize this, and then call the fuckwads for what they are, racist and uncaring humans who only want what’s for themselves.
I don’t play chess, so I’ll take your word for it.
Still one of Gordon Lightfoot’s best, and PPM nail it hard.
I’m gonna bust out bawlin like a baby.
Nice Piece Of Pickin And Sangin, Raven, Nice Pic.
Thanks.
I just made it up, like Obama Baucus. /s
I think Obama’s real game is poker. The Republicans just folded. Now he has to see what cards he has left. The main question. To bluff, to deal, or to call. He may be very close to calling. We’ll see in his interviews next week and when he lets the House start moving the train out of the station.
There is no overarching strategy, just deal and play and bluff and play and bluff and deal until there is nothing left to do but put the cards on the table.
It’s Just A Hammer
The Hammer About 25 Years Later
Baucus in his remarks on Baucuscare today talked about Congress “being comfortable” with legislation. Apparently, they are a cautious bunch and single payer got taken of the table through the efforts of United Healthcare and Mike Ross (Business Week cover story several weeks ago). Baucus mainline Lewin company data into the Senate Finance Committee before the public found out that Lewin was a subsidiary of United Healthcare. The longer this has gone on, the more we have learned about who is compromised and who is just chicken.
So the block to getting single-payer through is not especially public opinion, it is about how “comfortable” Democrats in Congress, sadly including a lot of progressive are in voting for a 31-page document that dramatically transforms healthcare in this country. And thinking through what the insurance industry could do in the way of lawsuits to nullify the legislation in the Supreme Court. That’s just the way it is. We don’t have to be convinced about single payer; the public doesn’t have to be convinced about single payer. But the Congress must be convinced that some sort of public plan is needed and then that the appropriate public plan is single payer, a bill that has not gone through the sausage-making process. Not that that’s a problem compared to some of the stuff that Republicans sneaked into legislation without appropriate markup.
Uh, the full statement includes:
“. . . but it hasn’t shown we can sustain quality coverage at affordable prices.”
Dennis wants to be able to say “you lie” to the next Republican President; or perhaps even to Obama, if things get too hairy in Afghanistan.
My FAV Hammer, Mary Owns This One
Many thanks! Must stiffen Kerry’s spine!
He can’t. Olympia can always become a Democrat like Arlen did. That would probably increase her chances of re-election in Maine.
Good analysis.
Ok, I’m sorry if this is a stupid question, but where is the bill from the HELP Committee? Why is this Baucus bill taking precedence?
Where is the Snow, it’s on Olimpia’s brain, and on anyone,s who thinks She is the great savior for Healthcare. Letting any of these people change parties, is like opening the gates and letting in the Trojen Horse, and the Democrats are stupid for even thinking it’s good for them. Arlyn is a disgrace to this Nation and has been for years, yet their are some who will overlook this, to think they can use Him.
The Dem Party will die along with Baucus’ pol life if there is no public option. I can’t stress this enough even if people are tired of me saying it.
I have this evil little idea tugging at the back of my brain. When the Finance Committee goes to mark-up, the Republicans, with the full approval of their nasty owners, the Insurance Industry, ALL vote (or enough to put it over the top) FOR the bill (after putting in many, many amendments to their liking). After all, the health insurance industry loves the Baucus bill, and what the health insurance industry loves, so loves the Republicans. If they feel a bill is going to pass (no matter how bad for the rest of us), they would probably want this one to be it.
Tell me I’m wrong, please…
Sorry, no can do, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
Democrats are writing the Republican’s healthcare bill for them by some sort of clairvoyant process known only to incumbents.