One of the supposed advantages of the Baucus health proposal is its lower "costs" compared to the rival House bills. But economist James Kwak at The Baseline Scenario calls this "voodoo savings" achieved by taxing low- and middle-income Americans.
First, Kwak points out the false comparison of describing the House bill as costing over $1 trillion while claiming deficit reduction for the Baucus bill. That’s comparing only the cost side of the House Bill without it’s surtax revenues with the net cost of the Baucus proposal with its tax revenues.
So if we take CBO’s 10-year projection of $239 billion net cost of the House bill (which includes the previously promised elimination of the automatic cuts in Medicare doctor payments) versus the projected $49 billion reduction in the Baucus bill, that means the Baucus bill reduces the deficit (relative to the House bill) by $239 + $49 = $288 billion over ten years, or about $29 billion per year, a deficit that should be fairly easy to make up. (Savings from a public option could be part of that, [but other revenues or savings would be needed].)
But Kwak reminds us that the cost reductions in the Baucus proposal really come from reducing the subsidies to low- and middle-income families who would be mandated to purchase insurance. That means Baucus’ savings translate directly to increased costs to those people.
Since a government mandate that people buy insurance is effectively a a tax on those people, that means Baucus has achieved his cost reductions relative to the House bill by increaing taxes on low- and middle-income Americans by $140 billion. (Baucus $860 billion versus House $1 trillion)
The House bill imposes a surtax on the wealthiest Americans. So Kwak then draws this comparison:
For illustration, let’s assume that the whole $140 billion difference is due to lower subsidies. Relative to the House bill, then, the Baucus bill costs the government $140 billion less; but it costs middle-income people exactly $140 billion more, since they have to buy health insurance.
The difference is that in the House bill, the money comes from taxes on the very rich; in the Baucus bill, it comes out of the pockets of the middle-class people who are getting smaller subsidies. Put another way, the Baucus bill is the House bill, plus a $140 billion tax on people making around $40-80,000 per year. That’ s not only stupid policy; it’s stupid politics.
. . . But this idea that reducing subsidies saves money is just an illusion created by selecting a particular frame of reference. If you start with a different frame of reference, reducing subsidies is just increasing taxes – on the wrong people.
So let’s consider how Baucus "seems to raise more revenue." There are some minor taxes on medical devices and other sources, which may or may not survive the protests of affected industries. Those will likely be passed through to the patients who purchase those devices.
But about $215 billion would come in the first ten years from a tax on high-end insurance plans, with the tax indexed to inflation while insurance plans escalate at the faster medical inflation rate (2-3 times faster). Who would be paying these health care and insurance taxes?
There are no doubt wealthy people who get so-called "cadillac" plans that cover everything with no co-pays, deductibles, limits, etc. But labor folks point out that an increasing share of these high-cost plans are held by folks who are not wealthy — they’re just pensioners and/or middle-income folks who live in states with higher health care costs and premiums.
As the insurance tax applies to more and more of these folks in coming years, the tax will increasingly impact moderate-income Americans, not just the wealthy.
To be sure, economists tell us that if you tax something, people will tend to use less of it. If we tax insurance benefits, people will use the insurance less and thus tend to use less (or less expensive) health care. The argument for this kind of tax thus assumes that a major factor driving up health care costs is that people are demanding too much care, that is, more than they "need." It’s an interesting empirical question.
A mandate functions as a tax on the uninsured for which, in a perfect world, they’d get valuable insurance with sufficient subsidies. The Baucus bill falls well short of that.
But just as important, no one should have any doubt that the Baucus plan achieves "deficit neutrality" mostly by taxing low- and moderate-income Americans, while the House bill substitues a half trillion in surtaxes on the wealthiest. Yet somehow, the Max Tax is supposed to be the moderate position, while the House surtax is considered out of bounds. By whom?
Maybe we should ask those who would be taxed.
More:
Commonwealth Fund Study — potential savings from public option





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Thanks. This is a great analysis, revealing one more seamy side of the Baucus Faucus. We need to reset this completely. We need to go for HR 676. We need to get the Health insurance companies off our backs. We can’t afford them anymore.
they are literally
KILLING US IN DROVES
Note to Baucus: That left over koolaide that you found in that refrigerator you bought from Newt Gingrich is not fit for human consumption.
Thanks for explaining this, Scarecrow!
Quick OT to NYC Kossacks: Teabaggers mobbing Gillibrand’s office to protest her ACORN vote (she sensibly voted against cutting funding):
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..tled-diary
If you can get there to show her some support, please do!
You are absolutely correct, unfortunately our elected representatives are bought and paid for by insurance companies. They will squeeze every last dollar from every last person they can bankrupt. Sad thing is, it’s going to be legal for them to do so. Under the Baucus plan even more people will lose everything and face the ultimate punishment for illness.
It sounds as though this bill is too be buried in committee , unless I have misunderstood something here .
I absolutely agree we should now work to bring single payer back on the table by supporting the Kucinich Conyers bill HR 676 . Any bill that makes it to the senate will be watered down before passage .lets start with something strong .
according to this, taxing higher-priced plans will have no impact on consumption of health care by the super rich
When you see that Goldman Sachs is spending about $40,000 for their top executives for health reform, people think that’s outrageous. Even if those benefits are taxed and others aren’t, I don’t know that we should expect CEOs to change their behavior when it comes to their health care. When you look at the kind of income that they’re making, it means they’ll probably continue to use health care at the rate they’re using it.
nor will it have any impact on health care inflation, and a negligible impact on lowering overall health care spending…
BETTY ANN BOWSER: I’m going to ask the last question, not as a viewer but as the health-care correspondent. If this idea were to take hold, what would it do in terms of health-care inflation?
JONATHAN GRUBER: There’s no clear evidence on that. My estimate, based on the studies I’ve done, other things, are that it would clearly lower the level of health-care costs, not by an enormous amount, by a small amount. I think there’s evidence to that effect.
What it would do is force working americans into higher co-pay/deductible plans. And that translates into less preventive care (are you going to get that annual check-up or cancer screening test when it comes out of your $500 deductible?) and thus higher health care costs overall.
Enough trinkle down economics, time for the wealthy to pay for their free ride.
” We need to go for HR 676. We need to get the Health insurance companies off our backs. We can’t afford them anymore.”
OT – sorry Scarecrow…
Dylan Ratigan just tore the sh*t out of Orly Taitz who, typical of wingers and trolls everywhere, began her first sentence with “I wish that *you people* would start telling the trut…”
And that’s as far as she got before Ratigan jumped all over her and threatened to never let her appear on his show again.
And of course he quite easily shot down her “argument”.
btw, what is Ms. Taitz’s accent? Her English is quite imperfect.
Single payer dead.
Public option dead.
Let’s salvage what we can.
Single payer dead.
Public option dead.
Let’s salvage what we can.
Individual mandate, with penalties, is still alive.
yay.
Enough trinkle down economics, time for the wealthy to pay for their free ride.
What free ride would that be?
There are now enough votes ,according to Howard Dean ,to pass a bill with a public option in both houses . No bill will escape the house without the public option and as of yesterday , with the defection of Burris ,not enough votes to pass any bill without it in the Senate .
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So why don’t they vote on it already?
Wow, three diary entries in the Seminal Reader Wire. That’s a record, I think.
The Congress is back in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.
mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,
lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,
conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K
were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.
(Source: OpenSecrets.org)
Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States. 12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)
Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “red herring” and is easily disproved. A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded.
Citizens for Tax Justice pointed this out. The tax legislation enacted under President George W. Bush from 2001 through 2006 will cost $2.48 trillion over the 2001-2010 period. This includes the revenue loss of $2.11 trillion that results directly from the cheney/bush tax cuts as well as the $379 billion in additional interest payments on the national debt that we must make since the tax cuts were deficit-financed. Over the upcoming decade (2010-2019), the costs of the health care proposals approved by three committees in the U.S. House of Representatives are projected to be around $1 trillion and deficit neutral(that means they’re paid for). In 2010, when all the cheney/bush tax cuts are finally phased in, a staggering 52.5 percent of the benefits will go to the richest 5 percent of taxpayers. The cheney/bush tax cuts were deficit-financed, which increased the national debt and resulted in greater interest payments on that debt. cheney/bush administration never even tried to pay for their tax-cuts. So, for the price of cheney/bush’s tax-cuts for the wealthiest 5%, we could have had Health Care for every American. Instead Americans got bupkus and cheney/bush’s republican campaign contributors/golf buddies got filthy rich off of the Blood Money from No-Bid, Cost-Plus Federal Contracts.
Follow the Money: Link
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Doesn’t the Baucus plan essentially boil down to an unfunded mandate? They like to whine and cry about it when it’s an unfunded mandate to the state governments, but apparently it’s just hunky-dory when they do it to We the People.
Ignoramus.
Don’t forget about all the extra debt and interest we are on the hook for with Obama’s stimulus plan. And the extra 3 billion cash for clunkers that
was deficit financed.
oh.
Maybe that would explain why I just sound funny when trying to talk about some subjects.
David Sirota coined a term for this: Selective Deficit Disorder.
Bmaz has a new cross-post up: “Dog Day Afternoon: The Militarization Of American Police”
Btw, it’s a good thing that Obama’s stimulus plan saved so many jobs and started working to pull the country back from the abyss it was about to fall into at the end of the Republican’s Reign of Terror, or we would likely be in much worse shape with unemployment still in the 700k/month range like it was before the inauguration.
I’ve long marveled at how so many people for whom English is a second, third, or fourth language often speak it better than a large percentage of monolingual Americans.
When the bill was passed Obama said unemployment would not go above 8%.
Latest figures are 9.5%. Who lied?
Barely lingual, more like.
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You can’t handle the truth eh?
I would go further, Scarecrow. A tax on “platinum”, what we used to be normal, full, health coverage, won’t hit executives very hard. They have the money to pay it and corporations captive to their interests (instead of shareholders’) will make up the difference in additional compensation.
Baucus’ tax overwhelmingly targets union benefits plans and the few non-union folks who still have similar benefits: junior and mid-level execs and rank and file in older, formerly unionized manufacturing companies and the few other employers that still offer quality insurance, which would include top universities, some health care providers, etc.
Baucus’ plan beats unions over the head – not a traditional Democratic Party activity. It taxes full benefits plans – the goal we should be moving toward – and puts pressure on citizens to accept plans that offer less coverage so that they don’t pay a “penalty”: pay for coverage via reduced cash comp. and direct contributions, and a surtax. A more important goal, given that it was written by a recent VP from Wellpoint, is that it relieves pressure on insurers to offer expensive, full coverage plans in lieu of more profitable lower coverage plans.
Baucus is playing the GOP game better than the GOP. It is designed to distract, to make the insuresters proposals the baseline from which credible plans might be negotiated. Baucus has demonstrated that he’s farther right than Holy Joe Lieberman. His party should kick him out.
I assume Baucus’ surtax on “platinum” health plans – formerly known as plain vanilla, full coverage insurance – would tax Congresscritter and military plans, too. They are the best, super duper plans in America. Logically, they should attract the highest surtax.
I say again, Congressional (as opposed to civil servant) health and pension benefits should be limited to the minimum mandated coverage that passes for reform under this legislation and to Social Security.
Congresscritters are almost all millionaires and can pay cash for what they need: viagra, hair transplants and liposuction, cosmetic facial and dental surgery, coronary artery bypasses, STD treatments, and the like. Taxpayers can no longer afford to subsidize their platinum health care coverage when they can’t afford even basic coverage for themselves.
I appreciate the moderator feedback. It’s states the facts, plainly enough.
But union coverage was for many years way too generous because the unions were way too strong (and still are). GM employees I knew used to brag about going to the doctor and not paying a cent. That resulted in little Johnny being run to the doctor (or hospital) everytime he had a cold.
Then there were the generous eye doctor and dental benefits. No one outside of a union had those kinds of benefits. They ran up the cost of medicine big time.
Now union members are complaining. That takes a lot of nerve.
The middle class should pay some tax. A recently released IRS study found 40% of all income tax was paid by those in the top 1% of incomes. That’s a disgrace.
Taking “little Johnny to the doctor every time he had a cold” that progressed too long or hard is what responsible parents do. It keeps a cold from turning into pneumonia, or let’s public health officials know early that it’s a new flu. It’s what responsible parents do when they can. It happens every day in Europe. Their health care spend is half ours; their health, quality of life and life expectancy exceeds ours. They spend more on preventive care and take it seriously because it’s covered. As Mr. Goodwrench might say, change the oil or change the engine.
Anecdotal evidence that unions are too strong is not factually accurate. Their ranks and bargaining power have been declining for two decades. For every Jimmy Hoffa or purported UAW kingpin, there are many Norma Raes.
GM’s unions had considerable power, but so too had GM’s exceptionally happy and over-fed management. When negotiated, its union benefits were considered the least cost option. Benefits were conditional and in the future and so needn’t then be booked or accounted for. That allowed GM’s managers to collect bigger bonuses, use the same, better benefits as the rank and file, and blame the cost on the unions. That worked out well until accounting standards became more realistic and demanded the booking of health and pension benefits, and until the daydream of ever-growing GM power and market share was shattered.
The GOP’s Robber Baron mentality is to set the working poor on each other. They’ve done it for generations, setting miners, factory and mill workers, retail and hospitality industry workers, officer clerks and truck drivers on each other. One immigrant population against the next until the last one gets off the boat or the border is closed. Then it’s the slaves or their successors.
The poor and middle class’ economic competitors are not each other. It’s the few economically privileged, who want the benefit of tax resources without paying taxes, and who want the power of government without the obligation of governing. There is a better way.
The top 1% may pay 40% of total taxes, but they control at least that much of total revenue and more than that of total assets. On the affordability index, it’s a cakewalk for them. What’s incredible is that they pay so little for the society whose benefits they overwhelmingly control.
This isn’t “Tinkle/Trickle Down”
We’re flat being CR*PPED ON!!
BUSHED again
I like your comments about health care but am not convinced unions are not part of the problem. And trying to unionize the likes of WalMart is not a good idea.
Unionizing the world’s largest employer sounds like a good idea to me. Rowing the boat on one side only rarely makes it keep a straight course. That takes balanced effort.
20% of the population controls 80% of the wealth of this country.
if you were old enough to remember the mid fifties,when the middle class had buying power,you’d know it was because of strong labor unions.
Unions come from the middle ages.Then they were known as workers guilds.
look at all of the freemason symbols on our money.
I doubt Obama said any such thing, not when the stimulus bill was actually signed.
When the stimulus package was being put together Romer et al were projecting that it would keep unemployment under 8%. but things deteriorated in the last weeks of Bush more than projected with the result that unemployment in mid February was already about 7.7%. No one was making the same projections in mid-Feb than they had a couple of months before.
Call this a lie is to be so lacking in basic u derstanding of the data that properly describing it would trigger a visit from the moderator. Lazy wingnut talking point would only be the start.
It is amazing how many people consider this line of attack as a zinger.
Scarecrow it is even worse than you portray. Along with the $139 billion from people ho actually get coverage there is another $20 billion in penalties from the 25 million the CBO scores as remaining uninsured.
In other words Baucus many billions eliminating subsidies for the 300 to 400 FPL folk he turns around and charges them $3 billion a year for the privilege of being left behind. The $20 billion raised via this double screwing accounts for 40% of the $49 billion ’surplus’ Baucus is claiming. The whole thing is close to diabolical.
Agreed.