David Brooks hung around Glenn Beck’s National Ignorance Pride gathering on 9/12 long enough to assure himself that the teabaggers couldn’t possibly be as racist as many of their signs and statements revealed. No, it’s not about race, he declares.
The proof, he tells us, is that there was also a small group of African-Americans holding a different event at the same time, and white folks gladly purchased food from their lunch stands and paid good money, without actually burning them down or lynching them. Of course, the lunch stand folks probably had the good sense not to say they, too, hoped to be President one day.
Assured on that point, Brooks then gives us an essay explaining the protesters are the logical and direct descendants of . . . Jeffersonian democrats. They’re just good folks steeped in the populism of defending personal freedom in the face of threatened government tyranny.
I always thought that Jefferson’s democracy was dominated by highly educated, propertied land owners, some of whom owned slaves and fathered children by them, who jealously guarded their right to limit the franchise and keep a monarch from interfering with their privileged status.
That may seem a bit harsh, but times have changed, David. Never in his worst nightmares would Jefferson have imagined huge mega-corporations dominating commerce, defining and limiting our choices, dictating near-monopoly prices, stifling regulation and using government to help them loot the national treasury and people’s pockets. What would he think now?
Given where we are, today’s Jeffersonians would be demonstrating against the corporations and asking government to hold them in check. To the extent they focused their anger on government, it would be to shame their elected officials into breaking their dependence on corporate bribery as the means to advancing their careers.
People concerned about individual values would be demanding that government stop helping the corporations screw the common man. And yet not one sign or statement from the 9/12 crowd even remotely suggested they shared that view or grapsed what was going on and why.
It’s simply ludicrous to think the real descendants of Jeffersonian democracy would be equating the President with monkeys and Hitler, calling him a socialist, a fascist, a czar, and illegitimate merely because he tried to put people back to work and reenergize business with an economic stimulus, or because he thought uninsured people might need government help to buy insurance from the private insurance market. Nor, given the concentration of wealth and the dominance of impersonal corporations, would those descendants be demanding that government do nothing to restrain corporate behavior.
The only consolation we have left is that there probably aren’t more than three attendees, all elected officials, at Beck’s celebration of ignorance who even know who David Brooks is. The rest would not have a clue what he was talking about. I’m with them on that last point.
Update — On point and too good not to steal, from Charles Pierce:
Never in my long career as a professional cynic have I seen an spasm of Beltway bubblehood so far removed from the actual concerns of people’s lives–so far removed that, last weekend, we had a gathering of the politically halt, lame, blind, and crippled in Washington, gathered for the sole purpose of petitioning various oligarchs to keep screwing them with their pants on. Never in my long career as a professional cynic have I seen a spasm of Beltway bubblehood so far beyond even the limits of Irish Smartass to describe it.





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“I read a clomn by David Brooks that I thought was really good recently.”
-Matt Damon
“I have supposed the black man in his present state might not be [equal
to the white man]; but it would be hazardous to affirm that equally
cultivated for a few generations, he would not become so.”
-Thomas Jefferson to Chastellux, 1785.
“Jefferson’s dream of the cultivated negro realized as submoronic whites purchase food from blacks without violence.”
-David Brooks
“Ain’t no justice, just us…ashes to ashes, dust to dust.”
-D’Angelo
As Woody Allen, I believe, joked about Jesus (”If Jesus came back and saw everything that was being done in his name, he wouldn’t stop throwing up”), the same is now true of Thomas Jefferson. Ditto: Modern-day Republicans claiming Abe Lincoln as one of their own.
Gee, Scarecrow – thanks for reading Bobo so I don’t feel the obligation to. Saw his headline and passed on by.
Like your analysis—of course, Jefferson thought cities were dangerous to democracy, let alone corporations.
One wee point – in your white-hot righteous typing, you left a few typos – 4th graf: father ed. 6th graf: extent, not extend, government not goverment.
But nicely done.
Does this remind you of BillO’s astonishment that eating at Sylvia’s in Harlem did not involve black customers behaving boorishly?
There’s quite a difference between white teabaggers buying food from blacks and listening to a “rap concert” and white teabaggers having no problem with a black man leading “their” country…
Thanks. Fixed those, but there could be others. Anger management begins with spellcheck?
Oh. Good catch.
” Thomas Jefferson wrote in a 1816 letter to George Logan:[6]
I hope we shall… crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
From here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…..ood_debate
Whoops, there goes Brooks employer(s).
The ironic part of the whole shebang is that the ‘teabaggers’ I have spoken with are on the same ‘wavelength’ when it comes to the corruption of our government and the role corporations play in governance.
Too bad people can’t get away from the propaganda spewed by the mass media who try -and so far have been effective- in pitting citizen’s against each other over issues that don’t deal with the rot in our political system and electoral politics.
The KKK now runs around without their hoods on.
That sort of participation in politics is just what we need. Dave.
Bobo just by saying something does not make it true. Especially when your readers can watch Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs on the news and judge for themselves.
What would Jefferson ,a slave owner have thought of a black man as President ?
The two faces of Brooks:
David Brooks in Yakima: ‘I’m in favor of death panels’
By Harris Meyer
For a guy who wants President Obama to confront the nation with tough choices, writer David Brooks avoided them Wednesday — offering his juiciest, most controversial bits in a pre-speech news conference rather than in his entertaining, predictably conservative talk to hundreds of people at Yakima’s Capitol Theatre.
Brooks, the genially conservative New York Times columnist and National Public Radio commentator, didn’t repeat for the mostly gray-hair audience his pre-speech assertion, for example, that he favors “death panels” — a health reform feature blasted by right-wingers that is nonexistent in any of the Democratic bills.
That came up when he was asked in the news conference about his Sept. 4 NPR jab at Obama’s far-right critics: “I hope we can make a distinction between what I think of as the death-panel right and the sensible right,” he said in that broadcast. “The death-panel right is upset about things that are totally unrealistic and insane.” Informed that Yakima is a hotbed of the death-panel right, Brooks said he might raise this issue during his speech. Unexpectedly, he added, “I’m pro-death panel. … We spend too much on end-of-life care, and we have to do something about that.”
Alas, Brooks didn’t mention that to the folks attending his speech, which was part of Yakima’s Town Hall speaker series. Instead, he mostly needled the Obama administration and flattered the crowd by talking about how hard-working and virtuous Americans are.
Nor did Brooks tell the audience about a contradiction in his own writing, although he discussed it with reporters before the speech. After writing Aug. 28 in favor of a limited approach to health reform, he urged Obama a week later to push for a major overhaul of how doctors and hospitals practice and get paid. “This is not the time to get incremental. This is the time to get fundamental,” he wrote.
Wednesday morning, when I asked him about the shift, Brooks sheepishly said, “I wish you hadn’t read my health-care columns so carefully.” He acknowledged he had a “little internal debate” with himself and decided a major health-care overhaul is necessary after all. Then he lamented that the Obama administration feels there is no way to get Congress to pass such major changes.
Unfortunately, he didn’t share any of this with the Yakima audience. Instead, he blasted Obama for proposing too many major initiatives, accusing him of “overconfidence” and a “vast overstretch.” Obama, he said, “is a wonderful guy who happens to have a spending problem.”
Harris Meyer is a journalist based in Yakima, Wash., and winner of the Gerald Loeb Award. You can reach him in care of editor@crosscut.com.
I thought that distracting folks and stirring up divisions that might disrupt the working arrangement between Washington and Wall Street was why the media in question are called the corporate media.
So Bobo those Congressional GOP approval numbers below 20% don’t you think the Congressional GOP (all big Tea Partiers) hating on Obama for obviously Racist reasons might have something to do with those low numbers?
Or do you think the GOP’s opposition to Health Care explains it all:)
I am unaware of any other issues really dominating the public mind now.
Diary!
“Never in my long career as a professional cynic have I seen a spasm of Beltway bubblehood so far beyond even the limits of Irish Smartass to describe it.”
Pierce is so good. I’m glad he’s finally starting to get his due…
Bobo you can’t sell the GOP as not being Racist unless you are willing to call out the GOP’s Racists. Denying the obvious just costs you Cred…and you are in Negative Numbers already on that score!
Can’t the Times find a GOPer who is reality based John Dean for example anyone else got a name to throw in?
The Black Family Reunion is a huge event. I was on the mall that day, it looked like they had more people than the teabaggers.
The search for Reality based GOPers who don’t lie, are not Racists, are not owned by Corporations or by Fundies.
Who are willing to admit they are wrong and can change their minds.
John Dean and and ?
That is a very interesting question considering Jefferson’s deep ambivalence about his role as a slaveowner and his philosophical writings about liberty.
then he doesn’t know squat about jefferson or the boston tea party
that “tea party” was becuase the colonys did not want taxes LOWERED, not because they did not want taxes raised
the kings pals could not compete in the colonies for tea so the king removed the tariff
the colonists refused entry of untaxed tea
this guy is a moron or thinks everyone else is a moron and I really wish the media would start educationg these tea baggers for what the originl boston tea party tried to accomplish
Interesting — I haven’t seen reports of how larger their event was.
I bet the Tea Baggers included them in their crowd estimate:)
They’re just
goodfolkssteeped in the populism of defending personal freedom in the face ofthreatened government tyrannythat are pissed off that the United States elected a black man president.That’s what he meant to say.
I don’t know which Jefferson he might be referring to but I’m guessing that it’s not George or Louise…
a few jeffeson quotes you will never hear about from the tea baggers or corporate propagandists;
Jefferson, his letter to Madison,
yup, one of the inventors of the progressive tax I believe though it was probably paine who did the most research on that
here’s another;
quite the socialist that man wasn’t he
Didn’t Bobo lose a fight with Krugman also of the Times about Reagan being a Racist? Bobo stop talking you only help our side:)
Rat, I have to say that you are an absolute treasure.
Just think of how Fox and Friends (better known as the GOP) would have played this if Hillary had won. Then instead of death panels, it would be forced vasectomies that would be striking fear into the teabaggers and bringing out the guns. It would be a whole different crowd, younger, male, paunchy and homophobic.
More like Jacksonian. Crude, semi-literate, racist, imperialist barbarians, duped by powerful and wealthy business interests.
Sometimes I think that it just might be possible that not everybody at the whatever-it-was rally thinks exactly alike. Sorta like if you gathered a big bunch of humans.
But it’s always a good idea to pick out the worst of these guys and say that that’s what they all are like.
If David Brooks spent half as much time writing the TRUTH about subjects he actually knows something about, can you imagine what he could get accomplished?? He tries so hard to drill down into issues that effect you and I and average joes’ on the street and gets it so wrong every time..
He is SO predictable it’s pathetic.. on his flat run, maybe just once, a pigeon could get his aim right…
Jefferson was totally against Corporations and the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few!! No way Jefferson would want these rich mans corporations to have anything but limited rights… This whole subject is so antithetical to what our founding fathers had in mind for our new Country of the People For the People. And defiantly not for so called Corporations which are not a live being!!
If David Brooks spent half as much time writing the TRUTH about subjects he actually knows something about,…
he’d never write another column.
I think you would have to be completely committed to the cause to march in the hot sun for about half a day and carry a sign that makes you sound like a total assh*le.
tee hee
Crude, semi-literate, racist, imperialist barbarians, duped by powerful and wealthy business interests.
Aren’t they all meeting in D.C. this week?
calling themselves “Values Voters”?
I have to quote the beginning of that jefferson letter, it’s a keeper, read that and then the wilson quote below;
Brooks’ key paragraph is at the end of this comment, and I think it is a very interested and cynical maneuver to paint the teabaggers as the ‘real americans’ -the producers, the moral backbone. Dog whistles yet? It is absurd. And Brooks falsifies the history of Obama’s support: Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, Indiana -yep those are all hot beds of elitist progressives, aren’t they?
Thanks to commenters above for pointing out Jefferson’s fear and hatred of the power of financial capital and concentration of wealth. Jefferson would see no conflict between property rights and free enterprize and strict public control of financial capital, because he thought many financial assets were really a kind of fraud, and put many financial assets in a different category than tangible property or rights of persons. So, society had a perfect right to impose any regulations they please on corporations in order to preserve the social order that was most beneficial to ordinary people.
Another example is Jefferson’s role in conceiving and backing the great Land and Northwest Ordinances of the 1780s. We can imagine how that debate would go today. Why not let free enterprize speculators buy and dispose of government land? Why impose some rigid government system with articial requirements for land reserved for public use and public schools? Clearly these ordinances were schemes to impose Big Government on the helpless free people of the Republic. You can imagine the ‘grass roots’ demonstrations organized by rich speculators to defend the rich corporations’ rights to grab the land and dispose according to free market principles, which would obviously produce the best for everyone, no matter what happened in reality.
Land speculation did make settlement of the US a mess, but it would have been much much worse without the great land ordinances of the 1780s
Miserable extract of tripey boilerplate from dishonest Brooks screed below:
“And it has always had the same morality, which the historian Michael Kazin has called producerism. The idea is that free labor is the essence of Americanism. Hard-working ordinary people, who create wealth in material ways, are the moral backbone of the country. In this free, capitalist nation, people should be held responsible for their own output. Money should not be redistributed to those who do not work, and it should not be sucked off by condescending, manipulative elites.”
David Brooks’ schtik is to invoke someone or some group, be it Jefferson or ordinary Americans, put his words in their mouths, and then say he is expressing their ideas and values. These ideas and values always happen to represent whatever conservative, Republican talkingpoint is making the rounds that week. He is as predictable as sunrise and sunset but is virtually never called on these antics, except in the blogosphere.
Which cause? Reading the signs being carried didn’t make it much easier to figure out WTF even they think that they mean.
I’ve never been to a march where everyone could even remotely be said to agree on the cause of what we were protesting. We couldn’t even agree on whether it was good or bad that the cops were gassing us.
I heard Brooks make his asinine statement on NPR while I was driving and damn near went off the road. How could he have seen the slobbering fools at Beck’s 9/12 MENSAfest and not concluded that racism plays a very large part in the disaffected malcontents that made up that seething mob?
Every single teabagger event has been thick and fast with the bigoted, racist imagery in full view of the cameras. When they try and come up with issues, more often than not it is spurious bile like “he’s Kenyan,” or “socialist,” or “communist,” or “fascist,” or some weird hybrid amalgam of all of the above. These folks are morons motivated by fear of the OTHER, in this case, a black man in the White House.
If we let racist buffoons control the debate in this country, our democracy is over.
He’s been spending too much time at the salad bar at Applebee’s.
I bet out of all those 200,0000000 billion teabagges (HA HA) that none of them know what the BostonTeaparty was.If they did why do they call themselves teabaggers??Their ignorance is beyond belief.Those people are dangerous,I did not realize how many crazy freaks were actually in the USA.well maybe I do now anyway,I should know now because Beck, Bill”O,RushBimbo,none of them can count,oh I dont want to forget all FOX crew.
The mistake that David makes is that these people SHOULD be Jeffersonian Democrats (progressives, not Blue Dogs, i.e, Hamiltonian Democrats, if there is such a thing). Many of them are being taken for a ride, and are too stupid or at least uninformed to realize that they are acting against their own interests. Many are rightly PO’d but at the wrong target. The people who aren’t there for the racism, anyway.
Their country has been taken away from them, but by the oligarchs.
Time’s piece of shit “expose” of Glenn Beck: Reminiscent of the kid gloves treatment that Coulter got from them in April 2005.
Linking as you have is deceptive.
The above-link takes users to the commenter’s site, where the Time link can be found in the first paragraph.
The next march I attend I will carry a sign with the confederate flag and the GOP’s red, white, and blue elephant emblem featured prominently on it. I want the GOP and confederates to be associated with each other all the time. Sure, the southern republicans will consider it a compliment, but the majority of the country will understand it.
Or perhaps the GOP elephant with the stars and bars running across it. I haven’t decided yet, but I will marry the two – as they deserve each other.
David Brooks AND the Teabaggers need to learn MORE about Jefferson … Jefferson OWNED THE KORAN … I bet the Teabaggers would NOT like to know that FACT.
Check Andrew Sullivan for a video response to Brooks. It was a series of interviews with actual teabagger marchers and it was obvious that they had no idea what they were upset about. When the interviewer gave them the background on how the government czars started with Reagan, at least some of the guys were willing to listen, but one woman just stood there screaming utter nonsense. I don’t have the link, but it is under Andrew Sullivan’s blog.
texasaggie,
In point of fact, the Czar trend started with Nixon and Reagan continued with the deposed Russian monarchs. The bit I love most about the teabagger mental pygmies is that they hear “czar” and think “commies!” These morons are so thick that they don;t realize that the Czars and the commies lead by Stalin were mortal enemies. Hey, but let’s kill ‘em all and let God sort them out!
Czars were Russian
Stalin was Russian
Stalin was Communist
Therefore, Czars were Communist!
These people are brain dead morons! Screw them and the horses they rode in on. If we let these buffoons control any aspect of our lives, we are finished as a democracy.
What is Brooks going to say when these paroxysms of impotent rage explode in an act of violence against a major Democratic figure?
They love BoBo on NPR. He’s always a go to guy. Republican appointees and operatives have destroyed the integrity of NPR, just what they wanted.
Jefferson was also against a huge federal government.
You’re biggest enemy isn’t Republicans. It’s logical thinking Dems.
One can understand why you’re wary of logical thinkers.
All this media hyping of ‘issues’ like teabaggers, 9/12 marches, anti-czarism, Obama is Hitler/Fascist/Communist/Socialist is a bunch of totally ad hoc nonsense designed entirely to be theatre: its only real audience are the beltway bubblers, who have no clue about what true public opinion is. Compare the polls that show the desire for health care reform RISING after the teabaggers made their play to influence DC legislators; but no one ever mentions that.
The media-generated nonsense, with paid actors don’t forget, is directed at making lawmakers caught in the DC bubble actually believe that there is a genuine ‘rebellion’ in the land. Nonsense, I say, total nonsense.
One would hope Democratic staffers might have a saner response, and will highlight the real statistics for their poor dumb bosses….
Well, what is a ‘huge federal government’?
Were federal land ordinances that dictated how fast land was to be settled, how much would be available for purchase by the public, how much by speculators, how much would be reserved for public schools or public school financing, how much would be reserved for Rebolutionary War Veteran’s compensation, were they ‘huge federal government’? But that was the subject of the 1780s land ordinances, conceive, and advocated for, by Jefferson.
If the current health insurance system is not working, is instituting a similar federal system of regulation ‘huge federal government’? Is the current system of federal regulation that prevents states from regulating important aspects of their own state insurance systems, often to the advantage of large private corporations, is that a ‘huge federal government’?
The teabaggers claim Tom Paine when Tom Paine was an internationalist and an early and visionary advocate of social and economic democracy. Public provision of start up capital for families and young adults, social security, public insurance, Tom Paine advocated them all. Yet Tom Paine quotes are staples of the teabaggers.
Teabaggers claim Jefferson in defense of a regime that permits almost unlimited power of big corporations and financial power. The real Jefferson would have seen a problem there and tried to think it through in a sensible way. But your Congression GOP spokesman seem to say that regulation of coporate power is the same a ‘big federal government’.
What would Jefferson say? We are trying to explain to the teabaggers, and also to media pundits, why their attempt to work through these problems with slogans does not work. It does no good to come back with more slogans.