Medicare Advantage is a federally sponsoned and paid for program that allows those on Medicare to receive their Medicare benefits via a private insurer. Medicare enrollees can thus receive their Medicare insurance directly from Medicare or indirectly from a private insurer that has contracted to provide that coverage.
The private insurers offering Medicare Advantage (MA) receive not only federal funding to provide for basic Medicare benefits but also a subsidy, averaging about 14 percent, to provide that coverage. Republicans support MA because it gives private insurers a piece of the Medicare business. Private MA plans have captured about 25 percent of the Medicare pie. (See NYT summary.)
The 14 percent subsidy was supposedly justified to encourage MA providers to provide Medicare coverage in high cost and rural areas that might not have had sufficient Medicare coverage. But the subsidy has made MA a highly lucrative business for private insurers.
The Baucus bill would reduce these subsdies by about $115 $123 billion over ten years. [The House bill would cut over $150 billion, and the Administration wanted more.] And one of the ways they would do it is to require potential MA insurers to bid in an auction to win the right to offer MA coverage in each region. In theory, the bid-based auction would reduce the payments to MA’s private insurers.
MA insurers are naturally upset about losing $115 $123 billion, and they’ve been warning seniors that if Congress cuts MA funding, seniors will lose Medicare benefits. Enter the Republicans.
Republicans have never been defenders of Medicare generally, and if some had their druthers, they’d replace it with a privatized insurance system. But the proposed cuts in MA have given them an opening to claim they’re trying to protect seniors from Medicare cuts. It’s a lie.
During the Senate Finance Committee hearings yesterday, Senator Crapo questioned CBO’s Doug Elmendorf on the MA cuts. Elmendorf gave extended answers, which Republicans then cropped in a video. They then claimed Elmendorf said that the MA cuts will cut Medicare benefits by about half. AP then picked up that point and CBS repeated it under the headline, "Congress Budget Chief Contradicts Obama."
If you view the full C-SPAN video (at about 5:08 p.m. Eastern), it’s clear that Elmendorf was not talking about reducing basic Medicare benefits, because those benefits must be provided by law. Again, benefits provided under Medicare will not be cut.
What Elmendorff was saying was that some MA providers use their subsidies to offer additional benefits not covered by Medicare — e.g., dental or vision care. If insurers have to compete to be the MA provider, and their subsidies are reduced, they may offer less coverage for these extra benefits beyond what Medicare guarantees.
But that nuance was lost; Orrin Hatch and other Republicans on the Committee then repeated the misleading version all day long, claiming that CBO said that the MA cuts would reduce Medicare benefits, even though Elmendord did not say that. And today, Senator Crapo pressed the matter, only this time, Elmendorf wasn’t there but a Staff expert was. Oops.
Ignoring Crapo’s leading questions, ths Staff expert patiently explained that as the auctions kick in to pick MA providers, the more efficient MA providers in some areas will be able to offer more of these extra benefits that some Medicare folks get today via MA, while less efficient MA providers in other areas may reduce coverage for extra benefits. But everyone will get at least the full complement of required Medicare benefits, because that’s what the law requires.
You can expect Fox News and Lazy Cable/Network News shows to replay the cropped Elmendorf video, following by right-wing statements that CBO said the MA cuts will cut Medicare benefits in half. The claim is false, and the Republicans know it. But that won’t keep the media from repeating it, over and over.
More:
Maggie Mahar on MA and the history of insurer abuses
NYT editorial on hardsell tactics by some MA providers





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Maybe the word to use is “reduce” not lose. It certainly is going to be one or the other.
No, it’s neither. The changes will not reduce Medicare benefits,, which are guaranteed by law.
not sure why but I know lots of seniors in nursing homes losing some Medicare Medicaid benefits now
It’s possible that in some states, access to Medicaid is being cut. Medicaid is a joint federal/state program for poor people, and when states go through budget cuts, as many are doing now, then they reduce eligibility and/or coverage for Medicaid.
The Obama stimulus bill sought to help states by providing billions to keep funding Medicaid at the previous levels, but that assistance was limited by the wisdom of the “moderates” in the Senate who wanted a lower total stimulus package.
None of that has anything to do with the current reform bills. And there has been no statutory reduction in Medicare benefits.
not exactly sure what is happening. Talking with several of the muckety muck types at Heartland (owned by the Carlysle group) who say they are dealing with cuts. Noticed a bunch of these older folks getting cut our of therapy.
Scarecrow. You have missed or better glossed over the difference between ‘required Medicare benefits’ and ’services funded by Medicare through MA’. Medicare does not cover dental and vision. Some MA plans do. Medicare certainly does not pay for Fitness memberships. Some MA plans do.
MA is generally speaking a rip-off but it does provide services beyond required benefits. To the extent that seniors don’t understand the difference between ‘benefits’ and ’services’ so to that same extent they will see the curtailment or loss of some of those “extra” services as a benefit loss.
Now it would be fair to point out that the 14% on average extra payment by Medicare to MA is well in excess of the actual cost of supplying whatever extra service comes with the plan and is essentially a bribe to entice seniors and particularly active seniors to enroll in MA and is unfair to sicker or poorer Medicare recipients who may not be able to pay some of the higher premiums associated with some MA plans. But it is flat out wrong to say that seniors on MA will not see benefit cuts. Not at least from the perspective of the senior who has not read the Medicare act and realized that vision and dental is “extra”.
You take a good point here and rhetorically push it too far.
The “benefits” that might not be provided when the MA plan insurers are determined via auction are not, strictly speaking “Medicare benefits.” That’s the main point. So I haven’t ”missed” or ”glossed over” anything.
There are additional benefits/services that the MA insurers offer now to attract customers, using the Medicare subsidized funding. It’s these “extra benefits” that are at issue. I don’t claim that these “extra” benefits may not be offered in the same packages in the future; they may or may not be offered, and obviously, seniors might want them. The point is not to confuse the two types of benefits; the statutorily guaranteed “Medicare benefits” will not be cut, while the ”extras” may or may not be offered.
Whether seniors should receive, as Medicare, benefits like dental or vision care, is another question. I’d favor expanding the list of Medicare benefits to include them for all, not just people who get them because their Advantage plan insurers offered them as an extra inducement.
But there is a further misrpresentation that I think we’ll see, and that will come from how Sen. Crapo kept rephrasing his question to get the answer he wanted. If you hear, for example, Fox News say that CBO said that “Medicare benefits will be cut in half,” that distortion will be wrong for two reasons. (1) It’s not “medicare benefits” that are at risk; and (2) the “half” Crapo was asking about was only the monthly value of the “extra” services.
Moreover, there’s nothing to prevent MA insurers from continuing to offer the “extra” services, for an additional supplemental premium, and seniors could choose that and pay for the extra services. Seniors probably pay extra for that today, just not on Medicare’s tab, and that wouldn’t change.
This is how clueless…. I got a postcard from my new, 1st term rep telling me how she’s fighting to save Medicaid from the people who are trying to cut it as they reform health care. Standard GOP bullshit, right? My rep is a Democrat (and says the public option “really isn’t very important.)
Not sure about the choice of headline.
I mean isn’t a headline saying “Republicans Are Lying” a lot like a morning paper’s headline reading “The sun rose this morning?”
This one has a bit more to it than some of the other gooper lies.
If the subsidy is reduced,then insurance companies will either reduce their profit margins or reduce coverage. Guess which?
You typed it much more cleverly than I would have.
OT
Michael Moore’s on KO. Was on democracynow this morning.
Time for another phone call, email, & fax. You might start with how bad the U.S. education system must be since your own personal member of congress can’t even read properly.
Heh. Just learned on KO that I’ve already done something Chuck Norris sez we should do. He wants to toss out the current flag and go back to a flag when the country was really great. I already did that. I fly the 1817 U.S. flag (20 stars) because that’s when my house was built. Now I have a dilemma. After going to all the bother of figuring out what the flag was, and where to buy it (about a 10 minutue internet search and about $80), should I now take it down?
I was stunned. First she sat down with the editorial board of the local paper to discuss health care reform and unfortunately for her, it’s on tape.
But here’s a review.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-…..ealth-care
I already told her if she votes for a bill -any bill- that doesn’t have a public option (no co-ops, triggers.. you know the drill) I’m not voting for her. So what do I get back? A postcard that could have been written by a Republican. BTW, this is the first time I’ve ever been sent a mailing focusing on a “seniors’ issue”. I guess I’m officially old now.
But, but, the republics are values voters they can’t possibly lie….
I liked when they used to add a stripe when a new state was admitted along with a new star. A pinstriped flag would look cool.
That’s what I meant by inferring she couldn’t read. Just send her the same stuff you sent her before, ask her to read it this time (if she can read), and send you back something that is relevant to your points.
Isn’t Medicare Advantage just corporate welfare for “performing” services more cheaply performed by Medicate itself? Why not simply get rid of it, and fold its services into Medicare?
Fat white with thin red? Or fat red with thin white? For the pinstripe scheme.
They must not have done that for very long, since states were being added at a furious pace in the early days, and by 1817 or before they’d settled on 13 stripes and adding a star for each new state.
Jello Jay was on KO, Schumer is now on Rachel. Both claim there’s gonna be a public option in the final bill. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Teddy,
Medicare Advantage
” Why not simply get rid of it, and fold its services into Medicare?”
I agree totally and it’s time to send these insurance companies packing and down the road.
PUBLIC OPTION, Yes…..
I didn’t describe that right. Sorry. Not pinstripes. Same sized red and white. more like a seersucker suit.
no. they didn’t do it long at all. let me see if i can find something
BruceWebb is right. Seniors will lose their “free” MA tote bags and view it as a loss of benefits. Plus, some MA providers that exist purely to fleece the government will probably fold once the auction system is operational. Those patients may have to change doctors and won’t like it.
I blame the Administration for leading people to believe they will not have to sacrfice for reform. The Big Boys like PhRMA got their deals up front, and everybody else is taking their cue from that. I wouldn’t want to give up my MA tote bag either if the industry didn’t give up anything.
Maggie Mahar has an excellent post today over on her blog, Health Beat, entitled Medicare Advantage—Big Advantage for Insurers; Little Advantage for Seniors. She reports that Medicare has intervened to order private insurers to stop misleading their Medicare Advantage customers that the proposed health care legislation would have dire consequences for them:
Her post is also a great tutorial about the costs of Medicare Advantage in particular, and Medicare in general. This additional below-the-belt tactic of the insurance industry needs to get wider attention. It does show, however, their desperation; maybe it means we are winning.
I actually knew what you meant but decided the pinstripe was a fun idea, so called you on it.
http://www.americanflags.com/usflaghistory.html
FIFTEEN STARS AND STRIPES
When two new States were admitted to the Union (Kentucky and Vermont), a resolution was adopted in January of 1794, expanding the flag to 15 stars and 15 stripes. This flag was the official flag of our country from 1795 to 1818, and was prominent in many historic events. It inspired Francis Scott Key to write “The Star-Spangled Banner” during the bombardment of Fort McHenry; it was the first flag to be flown over a fortress of the Old World when American Marine and Naval forces raised it above the pirate stronghold in Tripoli on April 27, 1805; it was the ensign of American forces in the Battle of Lake Erie in September of 1813; and it was flown by General Jackson in New Orleans in January of 1815.
However, realizing that the flag would become unwieldy with a stripe for each new State, Capt. Samuel C. Reid, USN, suggested to Congress that the stripes remain 13 in number to represent the Thirteen Colonies, and that a star be added to the blue field for each new State coming into the Union. Accordingly, on April 4, 1818, President Monroe accepted a bill requiring that the flag of the United States have a union of 20 stars, white on a blue field, and that upon admission of each new State into the Union one star be added to the union of the flag on the fourth of July following its date of admission. The 13 alternating red and white stripes would remain unchanged. This act succeeded in prescribing the basic design of the flag, while assuring that the growth of the Nation would be properly symbolized.
Millions of seniors have advantage- because it offers them HMO type coverage with little or no deductibes and co-pays for little or nothing. If these plans went away or became more expensive, there would be hell to pay.
LOL. OK
My research sez that wasn’t the flag until 1818, as many more states had been added by then, and I doubt they’d put up with not getting recognized on the flag.
Movin’ upstairs.
So, they’re likely to say we’re stealing from old folks, even as we raise taxes on everybody else (because of the personal mandate).
Beauty, eh? /s
This is what happens when you don’t have the guts (and ability) to just soak the rich and/or tax the health care/insurance industry who are already ripping off all of us by trillions/year.
Somehow I suspect the amount of money the gov’t is paying MA providers is far more than the cost of those ‘extra benefits’. We probably ought to cut them off at the knees just for opposing this reform effort.
I suggest reducing MA payments, but not eliminating it or reducing it to the point where it becomes a political problem. That means of course that we probably have to either increase revenues from some other source or cut back the size of the reform accordingly.
See, if we didn’t mandate everyone had to buy insurance, then there wouldn’t be such a need for very large Medicaid subsidies. Everything has to be revenue neutral and we obviously can’t just take money out of some pockets without big political repercussions.
Well, it’s in the hands of Congress now. Let’s see them work their wonders.
oops
Agree, how do you cut billions from medicade advantage but somehow say seniors won’t lose any coverage? Also, I keep hearing that some 55 million people use medicade and now they are going to ass another 11 million…how the heck does equate to better coverage for those people when a ton of docs don’t accept medicade?
Yes, an HMO plan. HMOs make their money by providing as little service as possible. I worked for CIGNA for two years in managed mental health care. I left when my regional manager faxed me a Memo stating “Only a naive or novice manager would put quality of care as his first priority.”
You folks also need to understand that Medicaid is what pays most of the bill for most elderly folk in nursing homes. Since I left managed care, I spend most of my professional time providing psychological services in nursing homes.
Thanks for the link to Mahar. I hit that same issue yesterday.
There are about 45 million people on Medicare (not Medicaid, which is for low-income people). Medicare is for those 65 and older; it’s not Medicaid, so don’t confuse them.
Of the 45 million who get Medicare, about 1/4 of those get Medicare via private insurers under Medicare Advantage. The private insurers are essentially contracting with Medicare to provide the government-guaranteed benefits of Medicare.
Medicare benefits are set by statute. The only changes in the bills do not decrease these benefits; they increase Medicare benefits, by reducing or eliminating some co-pays for preventive care and by providing more coverage for drugs (in the so-called doughnut hole). There are no reductions in Medicare benefits. NONE.
The private insurers who, under contract, provide Medicare benefits through Medicare Advantage can offer additional benefits beyond those required for Medicare. The “cuts” people are talking about are these extra benefits, and according to the Finance Committee Staff, some people will see MORE of these extra benefits and some people will see LESS of these extra benefits. But no one will see their basic Medicare benefits reduced.
I don’t know how to make it any clearer.
If the MA programs run by private insurance have the same administrative costs as other private insurance, you could probably knock about 30% off the cost and not reduce benefits at all. For all of the Republican genuflecting about how the private market always does better than the government, let’s look to Haliburton and its subsidiaries that got contracts in Iraq. Much of what they did/do was formerly done by the military. Can anybody cite anything that any of these crooks did that they did better or cheaper than the military?
Truth be told, the insurance and pharma lobbies make Haliburton look like amateurs when in comes to fleecing Americans.
Your correct my mistake, I should have referred to the fact that congress would like to add another 11 million to medicade, which in fact does as of FY06 have 58 million on the books. My point was that curently docs hardly accept medicade right now and you are adding another 11 mil to the books.
.Medicaid Enrollment
Total Enrollment, FY2006 58,714,800 – - % of total residents
Children 29,182,400 46.0 49.7 % of Medicaid enrollees
Adults 14,879,700 21.6 25.3 % of Medicaid enrollees
Elderly 6,116,200 12.9 10.4 % of Medicaid enrollees
Disabled 8,536,500 19.5 14.5 % of Medicaid enrollees
Sad.
The “cuts to Medicare/Medicaid” have been known about for many months; nobody has tried to hide it. It’s been a fundamental of the whole Reform effort almost from the get go.
But when did Obama or his staff or any congressional leader sit down with Katie Couric or whomever and explain just what these cuts would entail? Never, right? “When you say ‘Medicare savings,’ Mr. President, what exactly do you mean?” And never does he or anyone say straight out what Scarecrow has said over and over again in this thread, that the cuts are in subsidies to Medicare Advantage insurers, which could well mean that the “extras” that Medicare Advantage users get as part of their package for signing over their Medicare allotments (and then some) — extras like dental and vision care and fitness club memberships, etc, kind of important “extras” when you get down to it — might (and probably will) be cut if the subsidy their insurance provider gets from the government is cut.
No, it’s not a direct cut in Medicare, but it is a cut in benefits to Medicare Advantage participants, and what would be cut for them is not inconsequential at all.
Yes, Rs who are yapping about “cuts in Medicare” are wrong about that, but they are not wrong about cuts in benefits for Medicare Advantage participants, about 25% of Medicare enrollees.
And what, exactly, do the cuts in Medicaid entail? Medicaid is a wonderful program for those who qualify and who can find doctors who take its already ridiculously low reimbursement rates. How, exactly, do our Lords of Health Care propose to “cut” Medicaid further? Eliminate certain reimbursements altogether like many states have already done for dental and vision care?
As I say, this has been out there for months and months. Rs are taking full political advantage of it in large measure because people on our side never explained with any sort of specificity just what the “savings” in Medicare and Medicaid would entail. So we hear about it from Rs, who are deliberately distorting the story to be sure, but at least they’re telling it.
Scarecrow is playing catch-up at best. This should have all been laid out on the table a long time ago so that ordinary people who might be affected by it could understand what was being proposed. And alternatives might be considered.
If you are on Medicare and want Medicare Part D (the Rx part) you are forced to enroll with one of the HMO’s. Or no prescription drugs for you… Period.