During Tuesday’s debate in the Senate Finance Committee, Senator Conrad repeated his argument that several European countries with generally excellent universal coverage systems do so without a "government-run insurance" system.
Several commenters — Klein, Yglesias, Jilani, Benen — have debunked various parts of that claim, especially regarding France’s public insurance system.
The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn continues the discussion by describing the system used in the Netherlands, which, recalling Conrad, he describes as not having a government run insurance system. But Cohn looks deeper to discover a comprehensive federal regulatory scheme, complete with utilty-like rate regulation, that is far beyond anything Conrad and Baucus’ are is proposing.
Cohn’s conclusion, which I think is correct, is that if we fail to offer a viable public alternative as a check on private insurer behavior, then we at least need a far more extensive federal insurance regulatory scheme to overcome the natural tendency of private insurers to evade the rules and principles of a fair, universal scheme. But Congress isn’t proposing that.
But I want to push the argument further. To have the extent and quality of government intervention you need to replicate the Netherlands (or Swiss or German) system, I think you must create the equivalent — that is, include all the elements — of a national insurance scheme. That national scheme can then be implemented through private insurers functioning more as agents than market competitors. Having that regulatory scheme versus an explicit "government-run" system is thus a distinction without any meaningful difference.
Note how Cohn distinguishes the Dutch system:
Still, there’s a catch. A big catch. Private insurance in the Netherlands works because it operates more or less like a public utility. The Dutch government regulates industry practices tightly–more tightly than the reforms now moving through Congress propose to do in the United States. . . .
But the real secret to success is what happens behind the scenes, in the way government watches and regulates the insurers. . . .
The Dutch prevent "cherry picking." . . .
Perhaps more important, the Dutch have what some would consider the world’s most sophisticated scheme for "risk equalization." . .
But there’s nothing in the current bills approaching the type of price controls that the Netherlands has.
As Cohn describes the Netherlands system, the government specifies the details of basic coverage that all insurers must provide (and all consumers must buy), closely regulates the insurers’ rates using utility-like cost-of-service ratemaking, specifies individual contributions based on ability to pay and supports that through very generous subsidies.
There is also an elaborate system of federally-run risk-allocation, which moves lots of money around from one insurer to another to equalize risks and costs and to discourage efforts to "cherry pick" low-cost consumers and dump higher-cost patients on others. If you think about what this does, a perfect allocation scheme would produce the same results as a centralized insurance system that farmed out its payment/billing system.
We see similar concepts in the House and Senate bills, but not nearly the extent of government oversight and regulation or the degree of financial control to achieve the desire results.
When we’re drawing conclusions about whether there is or isn’t a "government-run" system, perhaps we look at this too closely. If we step back and look at the total system from 10,000 feet, the common pattern is equivalent to having a national insurance system, but in more decentralized variations, the accounting/payment administration is allocated to many private insurers, usually non-profit.
The private insurers still perform important functions, standing between the nationally regulated premium collection system and the nationally regulated payment system to providers. Every system, including Medicare, must perform those functions; but it’s not necessary to have all the dollars literally cycle through a central accounting system.
The private Dutch insurers don’t seem to be competing in any meaningful sense; they’re simply implementing a national insurance scheme whose essential features are determined and regulated by the national administrators. The Dutch may or may not call this a "government-run" program, and consumers may not deal directly with the national administrators, but all the critical decisions are made by the federal regulators, not the private market.
For Conrad or anyone in the Senate to say the Dutch don’t rely on a government-run, national insurance system is to miss the forest for the trees. And I suspect the same applies to Germany and other successful countries that Conrad keeps pretending don’t have a "government-run" insurance system.
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Uwe Reinhardt, on the German Model





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Thanks Scarecrow!
Fine. But none of them allow for-profit insurers into their primary health-insurance market. And, in none of them is their regulatory structure up for sale as it is in the U.S.
Here we could enact the most restrictive legislation in the world, but the next time we had a Republican president president the enforcement structure would be destroyed.
Ronald Reagan said: “Government isn’t the solution; government is the problem.” And he is right, so long as his disciples and hagiographers are in charge of the government. (And among those I count Barack Obama.)
Tri caring.
As always, well done Scarecrow.
Perhaps the trolls will come over and beg us to explain what has happened to progressives while Americans continue to die because they are priced out of health care.
Health Care, NOT health insurance. For ALL Americans. NOW!
Also.
This is a nice simple summary of several countries around the world in one link.
Health Insurance Around the World: Just the Facts, Man…
The Dutch system is too new to be a good model to emulate. Plus America has such a severe cost-control and uninsured problem that we don’t have the luxury of toying around with private insurance. The two obvious places to dramatically cut costs without harming patient care are Single Payer and Medicare drug price negotiation. I just don’t see any way around it.
scarecrow, you point is a good one. Pols are just using an example like the Dutch system as cover for their sellout to insurance companies in this country. Except for Grayson’s recent comments, all we are getting is kabuki piled on kabuki. I see any final bill being a disaster. My only consolation, if you can call it that, is that worsening economic conditions will likely make such a bill irrelevant.
Yes, but their notion of health care involves more than simply paying bills; it also involves a more holistic concept of ‘health’.
Meanwhile, Michael Moore now explaining on CNN that if the public option is not part of the health care legislation, then there will not be meaningful change and the Dems need to stop whining and get some spine.
Ah… honesty!
Regulate like a utility!!! Yes. I agree whole hartedly. If it is good enough for electricity, cable, water and flood insurance it is good enough for healthcare where people’s actual lives are at stake!
Thanks for this. The Right disparages the European systems as soft, socialist or communist, because they consider the cost-effective delivery of low-cost insurance necessary to the delivery of lower-cost health care. And they rank that as far more important than insurers’ profits.
The American system the Right is so adamant to protect does exactly the opposite. It puts the golden calf on the altar instead of the public health of its people.
The Democrats will succeed in avoiding change if they fail to make that clear. They, too, will rank continuity they can bank on ahead of change we can believe in. Too many of them are collaborators with the Right because they want part of that golden calf.
Electric co-ops worked for the following reasons. They only applied to high-cost, low-revenue rural areas. They were supported by public utility regulation of investor-owned utilities that persists in most states today. They had public generation facilities–Tennessee Valley Authority, and Bonneville Power Administration–that could function like a public healthcare plan in benchmarking operating costs.
Conrad is is either shucking us of living in never-never land.
I’m still not sure what Conrad was trying to prove with his statement that most other high income countries do not have ‘government run’ systems.
Either he did not understand TR Reid’s book at all, and he is woefully ignorant of health care systems in other countries, or he is trying to buffalo the US public into believe that this country will get a reliable helth care finance system with the very weak reform that he is proposing.
Glad the Netherlands came up. The Swiss menace to our free enterprize system and individual freedoms has passed, thank goodness. But now the Dutch menace looms.
Below are some extracts from the most recent WHO report describing the Dutch system. The national health funds play such a large role in funding and regulating the private insurance companies, that some have described the Dutch system as single payer in disguise (that is somewhere in the Wikipedia series on health systems, but I have heard it elsewhere).
Let us see how proposals modeled on the following Dutch features would play in the industry and big provider influenced US:
It is not described well in the short report, but there are also extensive government sponsored negotiations between third party payers and healthcare providers covering quantity, quality and prices of services to be rendered.
Comparative effectiveness analysis is used to control pharmacy costs. If you want a medicine that is more expensive than an government determined list of equally effective but cheaper alternatives, you must pay the difference. The insurance benefit only pays the cost of the cheapest effective drugs.
A brief report is found at the European Health Observatory:
http://www.euro.who.int/observatory
http://www.euro.who.int/Document/E84949sum.pdf
I wonder if some of those features of the Dutch system would be considered ‘governmet run’ health care if proposed in the US?
After watching again Rep. Alan Grayson reveal the essence of the Republicans’ contribution to health care reform, which amounts to “don’t get sick and, if you get sick, die quickly,” and after watching again his moving words from earlier today in which he apologized to all those who have died in the United States because they did not have health care coverage, I sent Rep. Alan Grayson $25 via FDL’s “Stand by Alan Grayson” at ActBlue.
http://www.actblue.com/page/standbygrayson
If you haven’t already, please think about contributing to Rep. Grayson too!
I think Dutch insurance companies do compete on efficiently processing claims, and ensuring the the contract provisions are met. I think reimbursement is simplified becuase most care is delivered under the terms of the standard contract, or policies that include the benefits of the standard contract. No exclusions or pre-existing conditions to mess with. But on much else, because they are so heavily regulated.
Periodic stakeholder negotiations between government, insurers and providers iron out how care should be delivered and basics of treatment protocols, starting with expected practice of the gatekeeper family physicians, I think these are the subject of wasteful payment disputes here in the US.
One commenter here said that the current Dutch system is new. That is true. I have read claims that private insurers are already trying to steer patients to hospitals, rest homes and clinics in which they have a financial interest, when they are prohibited by law from doing that. I don’t know if that is true. The big innovations recently in the Netherlands are turning over most third party payment to private insurers, and sigfnicant regional decentralization of healthcare administration and planning.
Senators Rockefeller, Schumer, Stabenow and Widen of the Senate Finance Committee Sub-committee on Health, did a great job of pointing out that the Medical Industrial Complex’s contribution to Health Care Reform, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is $20 BILLION and in return they will get $500 BILLION in TAX-PAYER FUNDED SUBSIDIES. Democratic Senators baucus, conrad, carper, lincoln and nelson voted with the republicans to kill the public option 09-09-29.
Criminally corrupt politicians are the reason the U.S. is ranked near the bottom of every catagory when ranked next to other modern, industrialized nations. Time for publically funded elections.
mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,
lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1M,
conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M, boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M, j wilson 800K
were paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.
(Source: OpenSecrets.org)
Co-Author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler of a Recent Harvard Study on Annual Deaths of America’s Uninsured, says the lack of coverage can be tied to over 47,000 deaths a year, 122 a day, in the United States. The only way to affordably cover all Americans is through a Medicare-for-All, Single-Payer System. A Single-Payer System would generate $300-$400 billion in administrative savings annually, enough to cover all of the uninsured, and to plug the gaps in coverage for Americans with only partial coverage. Obviously, Medicare-for-all is anathema to the insurance industry. What politicians are doing is saving insurance industry profits, by sacrificing American lives.
12 Million Americans were denied health care coverage by the Medical Industrial Complex because they had a pre-existing medical condition. 12K Americans are denied insurance coverage everyday by a for-profit Insurance bureaucrat. (Source: WaPo Article 05′ by Harvard Prof. E. Warren)
Medical malpractice lawsuits are a hot topic but, are they? Tort Reform is such a “Red Herring” and is easily disproved. A 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office said medical malpractice makes up only 2 percent of U.S. health spending. Even “significant reductions” would do little to curb health-care expenses, it concluded.
bush(43) economic speech writer david frum, at least, is willing to admit the idea about selling insurance across state lines is a crock:
New Jersey health policies cost more in large part because New Jersey hospitals and doctors charge more. If I buy a cheaper Kentucky policy that reimburses my providers at Kentucky rates, leaving me to pay the balance, how much good does that do me? And if the Kentucky policy is made to pay New Jersey rates, there vanishes my low Kentucky price.
These are some of the easily refuted arguments bought and paid for by the Medical Industrial Complex to derail any chance of their criminally massive profits being reduced.
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