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	<title>Comments on: Redistribution: From Joe the Plumber to Robert Rubin</title>
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		<title>By: joel6653</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel6653</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What the hell is TANF?  Please don’t use little-known acronyms so freely, without using the full spelling at least once first.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell is TANF?  Please don’t use little-known acronyms so freely, without using the full spelling at least once first.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lol. i like it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol. i like it!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;re: “save yourself”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i think we’re all in this together.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;re: hope.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;human nature i suppose to want to have hope.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: “save yourself”</p>
<p>i think we’re all in this together.</p>
<p>re: hope.</p>
<p>human nature i suppose to want to have hope.</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;One consequence of having the public bail-out Wall Street banks should be that top executives and board directors, the guys with the keys to the executive washroom, should have to accept minimum wage.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d take it in another direction. Replace the top executives with high school kids. They are going to be paying back this bail out. Might as well put the students in charge of their own futures.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And they will gladly work for minimum wage at this point in their lives!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One consequence of having the public bail-out Wall Street banks should be that top executives and board directors, the guys with the keys to the executive washroom, should have to accept minimum wage.</p>
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<p>I’d take it in another direction. Replace the top executives with high school kids. They are going to be paying back this bail out. Might as well put the students in charge of their own futures.</p>
<p>And they will gladly work for minimum wage at this point in their lives!</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/889/comment-page-1#comment-5981</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Paulson could have imposed serious pay caps on executive compensation. In Germany, the banks that are getting government money can’t pay their executives more than 500,000 euros, about $680,000. The United Kingdom also limited executive compensation as part of its bailout.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the NBA and the NFL can impose salary caps in the interest of “competitive balance”, certainly Wall Street can while the people of the USA are their largest shareholder/angel/white knight.  After all, to echo Babe Ruth, Tom Brady and Kobe Bryant had much better years than the Masters of the Universe!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Paulson could have imposed serious pay caps on executive compensation. In Germany, the banks that are getting government money can’t pay their executives more than 500,000 euros, about $680,000. The United Kingdom also limited executive compensation as part of its bailout.”</p>
<p>If the NBA and the NFL can impose salary caps in the interest of “competitive balance”, certainly Wall Street can while the people of the USA are their largest shareholder/angel/white knight.  After all, to echo Babe Ruth, Tom Brady and Kobe Bryant had much better years than the Masters of the Universe!</p>
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		<title>By: questioneverything</title>
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		<dc:creator>questioneverything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NOBODY has asked if this clown was working for McCain. Operative, employee, relative or lobbyist, or donor, or supporter? NOBODY. Why not?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOBODY has asked if this clown was working for McCain. Operative, employee, relative or lobbyist, or donor, or supporter? NOBODY. Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/889/comment-page-1#comment-5975</link>
		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, you CAN see, it’s just the disgust that makes you hope. See it here all the time. It’s why I wrote “So put aside your hope and face reality and save yourself and those you care about”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shootthatarrow, you probably are aware that the Corporatism goes back into the 19th century; I find it ironic that Teddy Roosevelt was referenced re ’socialism’ today yet his anti corporate perspectives went nowhere and weren’t discussed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you CAN see, it’s just the disgust that makes you hope. See it here all the time. It’s why I wrote “So put aside your hope and face reality and save yourself and those you care about”. </p>
<p>Shootthatarrow, you probably are aware that the Corporatism goes back into the 19th century; I find it ironic that Teddy Roosevelt was referenced re ’socialism’ today yet his anti corporate perspectives went nowhere and weren’t discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: nahant</title>
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		<dc:creator>nahant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is  one thing and one thing  only &lt;strong&gt;“Welfare”&lt;/strong&gt; for the Rich Influential Bankers and their cronies!! We need to change the direction of our Government and It’s policies to reflect the fact that the Government was meant to be for the people by the people and thusly to benefit the people. Not the Rich and Powerful. A sea change is needed in both regulations of the market as a whole and the direction government the Government Tax policies are written. The only way to fix our country is for the taxes to be used for the good of the country and its people. By having universal Health care and the dismantling of HEALTH for profit then guaranteeing quality heath care for every citizen as a right and not just what you can buy. Health is and individual thing and as such you cannot project costs and because of that projecting the costs is nothing but a crap shoot! Millions can be saved by having proactive health care . Other benefits are that individual’s genome can’t be used against a patient but would be used to help individuals.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is  one thing and one thing  only <strong>“Welfare”</strong> for the Rich Influential Bankers and their cronies!! We need to change the direction of our Government and It’s policies to reflect the fact that the Government was meant to be for the people by the people and thusly to benefit the people. Not the Rich and Powerful. A sea change is needed in both regulations of the market as a whole and the direction government the Government Tax policies are written. The only way to fix our country is for the taxes to be used for the good of the country and its people. By having universal Health care and the dismantling of HEALTH for profit then guaranteeing quality heath care for every citizen as a right and not just what you can buy. Health is and individual thing and as such you cannot project costs and because of that projecting the costs is nothing but a crap shoot! Millions can be saved by having proactive health care . Other benefits are that individual’s genome can’t be used against a patient but would be used to help individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/889/comment-page-1#comment-5972</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the timing was most definitely the doing of bushco.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the fact that nothing was done before to head it off, however, was not only bushco.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the timing was most definitely the doing of bushco.</p>
<p>the fact that nothing was done before to head it off, however, was not only bushco.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow</title>
		<link>http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/889/comment-page-1#comment-5971</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The mystery of having to wait until right on top of November 2008 election for the next WH regime to open this American/Wall Streeter bailout political time bomb rests squarely on Bush WH.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did they expect to help the GOPer team somehow? Was the idea to push this pile of bad risk/bad due diligence bailout through a political hothouse of late election year theatrics and false urgency?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;American Militarism and American Corporatism do not get much talk time or take apart from one American election to the next. Both are certainly not getting much in way of serious take apart or truth/consequence in this election.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;American Corporatism has just been bailed out with a first installment of around one trillion $$ and it is certain more installments will follow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was said that only Nixon could go to Red China. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It can equally be said only a GOPer run Bush WH could produce this blatant example of big government helping the well to do but evidently not too smart well off with a big dose of socialized cost offset. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the profits were blooming like dandelions in spring on the lawn these profits were “private” and off limits to meaningful taxation capture rates. These obscene downward “asset resets” however now become the domain of WashingtonDC/taxpayers money pour ins.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be edifying to see some “leadership” figureheads somewhere in this rats maze we call WashingtonDC who would clearly denounce anyone who now wants to pick political fights over imagined threats of American Socialism and income redistribution thinking and practices. The Pentagon and American Big Money and Corporatism do socialism everyday as is. The costs are socialized. The profits are privatized. Any shame over this rapacious ongoing conduct not to be seen,heard or found. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Edifying but not likely. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are led by sheep and denizens of the chicken coop rather than lions or eagles in this WashingtonDC of this early 21st century America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mystery of having to wait until right on top of November 2008 election for the next WH regime to open this American/Wall Streeter bailout political time bomb rests squarely on Bush WH.</p>
<p>Did they expect to help the GOPer team somehow? Was the idea to push this pile of bad risk/bad due diligence bailout through a political hothouse of late election year theatrics and false urgency?</p>
<p>American Militarism and American Corporatism do not get much talk time or take apart from one American election to the next. Both are certainly not getting much in way of serious take apart or truth/consequence in this election.</p>
<p>American Corporatism has just been bailed out with a first installment of around one trillion $$ and it is certain more installments will follow.</p>
<p>It was said that only Nixon could go to Red China. </p>
<p>It can equally be said only a GOPer run Bush WH could produce this blatant example of big government helping the well to do but evidently not too smart well off with a big dose of socialized cost offset. </p>
<p>When the profits were blooming like dandelions in spring on the lawn these profits were “private” and off limits to meaningful taxation capture rates. These obscene downward “asset resets” however now become the domain of WashingtonDC/taxpayers money pour ins.</p>
<p>It would be edifying to see some “leadership” figureheads somewhere in this rats maze we call WashingtonDC who would clearly denounce anyone who now wants to pick political fights over imagined threats of American Socialism and income redistribution thinking and practices. The Pentagon and American Big Money and Corporatism do socialism everyday as is. The costs are socialized. The profits are privatized. Any shame over this rapacious ongoing conduct not to be seen,heard or found. </p>
<p>Edifying but not likely. </p>
<p>We are led by sheep and denizens of the chicken coop rather than lions or eagles in this WashingtonDC of this early 21st century America.</p>
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