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It would be understandable if conservatives had become somewhat exasperated about the Fox show 24 and its lead character Jack Bauer. His image has undergone a transformation in the last few years in much the same way his regrettably nonfictional political counterparts have. The latter used to be called neoconservatives, and they portrayed themselves as stalwart warriors unflinchingly defending America’s vital interests, perhaps its very survival, against implacable foes abroad and faltering appeasers at home. Now that their grand designs have not, to put it charitably, borne expected fruit the term has been derisively shortened to “neocon” and conjures up images of chickenhawks cheerleading for war as the first response to everything.
Bauer was once greatly admired on the right as well. In June of 2006 the Secretary of Homeland Security attended a forum on terrorism titled 24 and America’s Image in Fighting Terrorism: Fact, Fiction or Does It Matter? “It reflects real life” he enthused, and lest you think he just got carried away by the moment he followed up over a year later with more praise. A Time article reported the vice president a big fan and declared, “Most damningly to critics on the left, Bauer’s means of gathering intel (grab terrorist’s finger, snap, repeat) make 24 a weekly rationalization of the ‘ticking time bomb’ defense of torture.” Antonin Scalia – a Supreme Court justice! – proved so disconnected from reality that he actually said “Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles.” Unlike Chertoff or Cheney, Scalia has a lifetime appointment. Even if the narrowest view of the show’s influence – are its high profile fans still serving? – is taken, it still is relevant.
The show is most valuable because it is one of the few places that reveals the conservative id. Whether it is Cheney’s infamous “We also have to work sort of the dark side, if you will. We’re going to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world” or the more flippant “What’s needed is a little bit of smacky-face” of an intelligence officer, torture proponents have routinely couched their approval of brutal treatment with euphemism or dismissal. 24 does not need such decorum, so it can show lurid cruelty with relish. It gives free rein to vengeful fantasies otherwise sacrificed to the altar of political correctness.
The visceral argument it presents has been a linchpin of right wing justifications for years, but evidence continues to pile up against it. First it was all about the ticking time bomb scenario, where a detainee had details about an attack already in motion. That no such cases ever occurred in real life is testament to the power of saving a fictional Los Angeles. When the 2004 CIA Inspector General report was finally released and we learned as much, right wingers added the caveat that torture was fine as long as it produced information that could eventually have saved lives. Whether humane techniques would have done so, or whether the information really did save lives – which outside of the bomb case is fairly hard to nail down – is not discussed.
Then there was Shane O’Mara’s article a few weeks ago on why torture does not work. It focused on the effect of torture on the brain, and he writes:
The use of such techniques appears motivated by a folk psychology that is demonstrably incorrect. Solid scientific evidence of how repeated and extreme stress and pain affect memory and executive functions (such as planning or forming intentions) suggests that these techniques are unlikely to do anything other than the opposite of that intended by coercive or ‘enhanced’ interrogation.
By focusing on how the quality of the information produced under coercion degrades, O’Mara makes the case – with evidence, unlike the intuitive “folk psychology” he rebuts – that traditional techniques are not just moral, but good policy.
Then last week Andy Worthington produced a detailed report on the torture of Fouad al-Rabiah. The government detained a man they knew was innocent, tortured him to make him say what they wanted to hear, conspired to cover it up, then insisted it was all proper when called to account. Worthington’s damning indictment shows it was not the result of a few bad apples, but something more sinister. As Barbara Tuchman wrote of another ruler: “The King’s excited state of mind communicated itself, as royal rage will, to his deputies.”
This is where we end up when fictional narrative drives policy. Jack Bauer remains relevant because the right still ardently embraces his world view. Even when the show is long gone it will be useful to mention him as verbal shorthand for the fruitless and gratuitously violent outlook the right continues to champion.





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Never having watched 24, I didn’t realize just how much influence the Jack Bauer fantasy had on those who, unfortunately, were our leaders. Too bad we can’t show Scalia the door for making a comment like “Jack Bauer saved Los Angeles.”
As you also point out, “traditional techniques are not just moral, but good policy.” So why use torture, which isn’t only immoral, but is also bad policy on so many levels? I remembering hearing several times that “enhanced interrogation techniques,” i.e. torture, were based on the techniques that were used in the past to get prisoners of war to lie on camera so that the statements could be used for propaganda purposes and that such techniques are hardly a way to get good information.
Speaking of propaganda, the use of fiction to create a false impression about the efficacy of techniques like torture in acquiring useful information, whether there’s a ticking time bomb or not, seems to me to be only one part of the puzzle that explains how so many really bad and just plain stupid decisions were given the appearance of being justified during the neocons’ rise and fall.
See my “Andrew Sullivan: Dear President Bush”.
Great post. I’ve noted this connection before and wondered what to do about it. Recently, at a dinner party I asked everyone there about torture, their religious believes and where they got their moral center from. They were against torture, their religion ranged from Christian, to Jewish to Atheist.
Then I asked them the ticking time bomb questions right after the question about where they got their moral views. They were all ready to torture.
Why? I believe that the TTB scenario is posed in such a way so that the listener is put in the position of the torturer who must protect other life. That is one scenario that people can often get behind. ‘I’d do anything to protect my wife and children.”
What is interesting is that the shows like “24″ always put us in the position of the heroic Jack Bauer and not in the position of someone falsely being tortured. The TTB scenario relies on people’s empathetic brain to put ourselves in Jack Bauer’s shoes.
The next time you get the TTB scenario, either stop the premise right off the bat or flip it and ask the person their religious believes and then ask them how they can so quickly discard them to become a torturer. Then if you point out the lack of reality of the situation (where you are actually more likely to be falsely accused and tortured) remind them that Jesus was tortured by the state.
Thanks spocko. Appreciate the kind words.
Money Quote the GOP is insane.
Whats the ratings on the show?
Seriously, LEAVE JACK BAUER THE F**K ALONE. Plus his grandfather invented universal medicare here in CANADA (the actor not the character, teehee). You guys need a Jack Bauer to get the public option done already!!! LOL, sorry I am a big 24 fan!
When I realized my 13 year old son was going to watch this show with his mom when he wasn’t at my house, I got the seasons I had missed and made notes about what Bauer did and what normal interrogation techniques are.
I started watching the show with my son on discs from Netflix and when some ambiguous point came up where the expedient thing to do was to torture I tried to point out that at this point, we, the audience, know whether the target of Bauer’s intentions is good or bad and that makes it easy for us to accept that the torture is justified if it’s a bad guy. That very point of justification is where we lose it. Torture is not justified whether or not the person is the “bad” guy or not.
I at least got him to start thinking. This is a kid who doesn’t like eating meat because of the way animals are treated and I explained that a decision like that means he has at least thought about what is right or wrong for survival. If you can decide what to eat based on how animals are treated you’re at lest able to make the leap that if torturing veal calves is wrong how much worse is torturing a person?
We had some very good discussions and I’m hoping these things stick with him. God knows things like this aren’t being discussed in schools. Hell, they don’t even teach kids critical thinking any more forget about ethical thinking.
The major problem with ‘24′ is that it is government psyops on its own people. It is Unconventional Warfare. It is illegal.
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“Though the fact isn’t widely known, the entertainment industry and the government often work closely with each other. Each branch of the military – as well as other components of the government, including the CIA – has an entertainment liaison office that gives TV and movie producers access to military facilities, equipment, and personnel. In return for saving the studios millions of dollars, of course, the military requires portrayals that are extremely flattering and accurate (in its view). [read more]
One product of the military-entertainment complex is the CBS drama “NCIS,” a “JAG” spin-off based on the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Paul O’Donnell, a public affairs officer at the real NCIS, worked hand-in-hand with Don McGill, a cocreator, coproducer, and cowriter of the show. (McGill’s name is redacted in the documents, but clues in the email reveal it to be him.)
Under the Freedom of Information Act, frequent Memory Hole contributor Michael Ravnitzky asked the Navy’s entertainment liaison for email between the NCIS and “NCIS” series staff. The messages comprising text have been scanned and put into an Acrobat document (first link, above). Many emails included attachments of photos showing various aspects of the actual NCIS – agents, offices, labs, interrogation rooms, weapons, vehicles, forensic equipment, and a visit by actress Pauley Perrette, who plays Abby Sciuto on the show. ”
http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/ncis_and_ncis/
Your son is lucky. Too many parents don’t teach/allow their kids to think and reason for themselves. About that critical thinking thing; schools never did teach that. Kids memorize the given material and that is what they are passed or failed on. Bush’s Orwellian ‘No Child Left Behind’ is a glaring example of that. I assume that using the ‘f’ by your name means that you want to link to your Facebook page? If so..it doesn’t.
Good for you! I write about torture and I know it’s a downer, but there is the part of me that wants to understand what drives people to do things and what can counter that.
I think the show 24 is very well crafted and it is interesting to watch. I like science fiction, I like horror fiction. And I remember that it is FICTION. What I wish we could do would be to have a discussion with these torture supporters where they have to reveal how much of their approval of torture is fear and how much of it is revenge. Then it would be great to have people who were wrongfully tortured talk to them.
“Sean you were for torturing me, you are a Catholic, how can you call yourself a “Great American” if you know that Torture is legally wrong, and a Catholic if you now it is morally wrong?”
You’re a good dad, james.
Thanks, danps. I’ve been wanting to see Hollywood come up with new heroes to counter Bauer. Actually, the Bourne character comes close, because in the end of the trilogy he does turn in those at the top of the intelligence community who abused him and misled him into killing innocents. I’ve also become a fan of Barry Eisler’s writing. As a former CIA operative, he has a good perspective of what goes on real intelligence operations and his characters have a level of self-awareness and introspection that is totally missing in Bauer.
The right wing has always been out of touch with reality. Remember when Dan Quayle criticised Murphy Brown for having a child out of wedlock? At least then our intrepid media treated it with scorn as it deserved. The only difference between Quayle and today’s GOP is that the “liberal” media now takes everything they say and repeats it without mentioning the absurdity of it.
Unfortunately, Scalia, like the Bushies, makes his own reality, and we are all living in it.
FYI, the Supreme Court Justice’s life time appointment can be “revoked” as it were by impeachment in the same manner and for the same reasons as a president is impeached. Not that I expect it happen.
Sadly, not being able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality is not a High crime or misdemeanor, though it might be grounds for civil psychiatric commitment?
Thanks for this, danps.
My view of torture is from the Bataan Death March survivors who were the dads of some of my childhood friends.
Torture is abhorrent; I want to see Bush and Cheney shackled and jailed for life.
This is a fracking great post BTW
Who says we can’t show him the door. Impeach the SOB. Along with Thomas.
Amen.
IMPEACH!
It is a TV show. 24 is not the problem, the idiots in government are. You blame 24 simply because some of your real life antagonists like the show. It however, is not responsible for their actions; they are. 24 did not start until November of 2001 and nobody knew about it at first; certainly not the neocons. By the time they started glomming on to 24, they were deep into their evil. Attacking a TV show is a cop out.
Thanks Cynthia!
I think it’s pretty clear that torture supporters have used 24 to argue for its efficacy and to rationalize using it. Obviously the show’s writers weren’t in Cabinet meetings but that doesn’t mean their ideas weren’t influential. I tend to think ideas are the most powerful things humans have come up with; win that battle and everything else falls into place, lose it and nothing does.
Besides which, the stories a society tells itself, values and celebrates tell you just about everything you need to know about it. (Same goes for religion too, but that’s another post.)